(01-18-2017 02:33 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 10:22 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 09:29 AM)tigertom Wrote:  http://www.denverpost.com/2017/01/17/jha...cott-2017/

Believe the new coach and his staff have been given the word to make it happen.

Good story here.

Can Denver get as good on the OLine as Dallas? Can Denver get a running game as good as Dallas? Can Denver get a HOF TE like Dallas? If yes, then Paxton will be very good.

If that was the case why wasn't Mark Sanchez better? Moore? To discredit Prescott's ability based on he had a better this is short sighted.

Dak is just good. He still has to make the throws, manage the game, all of which he's done magnificently this season.

Outside of one game Whitten was non-existent this season.

Where did I discredit Dak? I said there is much more too it than being 'good'. The cowboys have 3 OL and RB in probowl. To discredit that is short sighted.

He has won as many playoff games to date.

(01-19-2017 08:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 01:23 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 07:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 10:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  PL is better than Prescott, he just needs the opportunity & the supporting cast afforded Prescott to confirm it.

You are saying that based on faith, but the facts are not behind you on that one right now.

No, I'm saying PL is better based upon watching both play college ball. Prescott cannot make the throws PL can make, given the opportunity. Given the supporting cast Prescott has & the opportunity, PL will excel. Notwithstanding my preference for PL based upon talent, Prescott has proven to be an excellent 1st yr QB & he is of fine character.

You're either high or just plain stupid.

To say Dak can't make the throws shows you haven't seen his college game and certainly haven't watched him play this NFL season.

Apparently me & the NFL - Prescott was a 4th rounder & PL 1st. High & stupid seems to describe you........

Its laughable to look back and and think Dak was a 4th rounder. It shows you just how inaccurate the so called "experts" can be.

I was really excited when we took Dak and I suspected he could be a real steal as a 4th rounder. He has qualities and numbers at MSU that a lot of other prospects did not have. Not only the physical talent and numbers, but Dak had a maturity and leadership quality that few have at that stage.

Dak was one of those picks that you knew he had more talent that a 4th round grade, and a lot of people felt he could be a real steal.

He was.

(01-19-2017 08:54 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Where did I discredit Dak? I said there is much more too it than being 'good'. The cowboys have 3 OL and RB in probowl. To discredit that is short sighted.

There is no doubt that the talent around him and that O line really helped a lot.

But lets also keep in mind that that same OL was 4-12 last year and multiple experienced NFL QB's struggled badly. Statistically, the cowboys had the worst QB production in the NFL last year. Truth is the cowboys struggled horribly for years when Romo was hurt. Many have tried to fill that spot and failed miserably, even in recent seasons.

Dak made it look easy and like the best was yet to come.

(01-19-2017 08:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 01:23 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 07:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 10:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  PL is better than Prescott, he just needs the opportunity & the supporting cast afforded Prescott to confirm it.

You are saying that based on faith, but the facts are not behind you on that one right now.

No, I'm saying PL is better based upon watching both play college ball. Prescott cannot make the throws PL can make, given the opportunity. Given the supporting cast Prescott has & the opportunity, PL will excel. Notwithstanding my preference for PL based upon talent, Prescott has proven to be an excellent 1st yr QB & he is of fine character.

You're either high or just plain stupid.

To say Dak can't make the throws shows you haven't seen his college game and certainly haven't watched him play this NFL season.

Apparently me & the NFL - Prescott was a 4th rounder & PL 1st. High & stupid seems to describe you........

What round was Tom Brady picked in?

What round was Ryan Leaf?

(01-19-2017 10:18 AM)Mimi Wrote:  He has won as many playoff games to date.

Ridiculous statement

But coming from you its par for the course

(01-19-2017 11:05 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 01:23 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 07:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You are saying that based on faith, but the facts are not behind you on that one right now.

No, I'm saying PL is better based upon watching both play college ball. Prescott cannot make the throws PL can make, given the opportunity. Given the supporting cast Prescott has & the opportunity, PL will excel. Notwithstanding my preference for PL based upon talent, Prescott has proven to be an excellent 1st yr QB & he is of fine character.

You're either high or just plain stupid.

To say Dak can't make the throws shows you haven't seen his college game and certainly haven't watched him play this NFL season.

Apparently me & the NFL - Prescott was a 4th rounder & PL 1st. High & stupid seems to describe you........

What round was Tom Brady picked in?

What round was Ryan Leaf?

You can look it up. Obviously Brady has been wildly successful & Leaf was a flop. But that is not or was not the question I answered. DP has proven by his performance on the field with Dallas to be a very successful 1st yr QB. My contention is simply that PL could also have that success, maybe even more based upon PL's physical skills which were demonstrated at Memphis IF he too had the opportunity & support afforded DP at Dallas. And I have come to that conclusion based upon PL's performance at Memphis in comparison to DP at MSU. No one has or is disparaging DP's abilities & performance this yr, they speak for themselves. I'm just saying give PL the same circumstances & I think he excels too, maybe better based upon his obvious physical skills.

The jury is out on PL. A coach coming off a super bowl thought Simien was better

Maybe Kubiak was an idiot

We will see

time will tell.

(01-19-2017 11:17 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 11:05 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 01:23 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 07:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  No, I'm saying PL is better based upon watching both play college ball. Prescott cannot make the throws PL can make, given the opportunity. Given the supporting cast Prescott has & the opportunity, PL will excel. Notwithstanding my preference for PL based upon talent, Prescott has proven to be an excellent 1st yr QB & he is of fine character.

You're either high or just plain stupid.

To say Dak can't make the throws shows you haven't seen his college game and certainly haven't watched him play this NFL season.

Apparently me & the NFL - Prescott was a 4th rounder & PL 1st. High & stupid seems to describe you........

What round was Tom Brady picked in?

What round was Ryan Leaf?

You can look it up. Obviously Brady has been wildly successful & Leaf was a flop. But that is not or was not the question I answered. DP has proven by his performance on the field with Dallas to be a very successful 1st yr QB. My contention is simply that PL could also have that success, maybe even more based upon PL's physical skills which were demonstrated at Memphis IF he too had the opportunity & support afforded DP at Dallas. And I have come to that conclusion based upon PL's performance at Memphis in comparison to DP at MSU. No one has or is disparaging DP's abilities & performance this yr, they speak for themselves. I'm just saying give PL the same circumstances & I think he excels too, maybe better based upon his obvious physical skills.

It has been proven time and again...Arm talent does not equate to success...

He has to prove he has the ability to understand the game, lead and make decisions quickly. Many QBs with big arms have failed in this area and Paxton has not shown he will be good here yet. That is why I say you are basing what you say on faith in Paxton...he hasn't shown that he can process information fast enough to be an NFL QB yet. He may turn out to be the best QB mind ever, but right now there is evidence to the contrary.

(01-19-2017 12:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 11:17 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 11:05 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 01:23 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  You're either high or just plain stupid.

To say Dak can't make the throws shows you haven't seen his college game and certainly haven't watched him play this NFL season.

Apparently me & the NFL - Prescott was a 4th rounder & PL 1st. High & stupid seems to describe you........

What round was Tom Brady picked in?

What round was Ryan Leaf?

You can look it up. Obviously Brady has been wildly successful & Leaf was a flop. But that is not or was not the question I answered. DP has proven by his performance on the field with Dallas to be a very successful 1st yr QB. My contention is simply that PL could also have that success, maybe even more based upon PL's physical skills which were demonstrated at Memphis IF he too had the opportunity & support afforded DP at Dallas. And I have come to that conclusion based upon PL's performance at Memphis in comparison to DP at MSU. No one has or is disparaging DP's abilities & performance this yr, they speak for themselves. I'm just saying give PL the same circumstances & I think he excels too, maybe better based upon his obvious physical skills.

It has been proven time and again...Arm talent does not equate to success...

He has to prove he has the ability to understand the game, lead and make decisions quickly. Many QBs with big arms have failed in this area and Paxton has not shown he will be good here yet. That is why I say you are basing what you say on faith in Paxton...he hasn't shown that he can process information fast enough to be an NFL QB yet. He may turn out to be the best QB mind ever, but right now there is evidence to the contrary.

PL may have a strong arm but he has always had a wind it up slow release

Riley Ferguson has a faster release

(01-19-2017 01:19 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 12:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 11:17 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 11:05 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Apparently me & the NFL - Prescott was a 4th rounder & PL 1st. High & stupid seems to describe you........

What round was Tom Brady picked in?

What round was Ryan Leaf?

You can look it up. Obviously Brady has been wildly successful & Leaf was a flop. But that is not or was not the question I answered. DP has proven by his performance on the field with Dallas to be a very successful 1st yr QB. My contention is simply that PL could also have that success, maybe even more based upon PL's physical skills which were demonstrated at Memphis IF he too had the opportunity & support afforded DP at Dallas. And I have come to that conclusion based upon PL's performance at Memphis in comparison to DP at MSU. No one has or is disparaging DP's abilities & performance this yr, they speak for themselves. I'm just saying give PL the same circumstances & I think he excels too, maybe better based upon his obvious physical skills.

It has been proven time and again...Arm talent does not equate to success...

He has to prove he has the ability to understand the game, lead and make decisions quickly. Many QBs with big arms have failed in this area and Paxton has not shown he will be good here yet. That is why I say you are basing what you say on faith in Paxton...he hasn't shown that he can process information fast enough to be an NFL QB yet. He may turn out to be the best QB mind ever, but right now there is evidence to the contrary.

PL may have a strong arm but he has always had a wind it up slow release

Riley Ferguson has a faster release

Snicker

Reading the comments, it looks like Paxton already has some haters in Denver. I think Dak's performance this season has really put some pressure on all the rookie QBs who were taken ahead of him and has distorted fan expectations of what a rookie QB should be able to do..

I also wonder how many of the commenters on that article are Northwestern/Trevor Siemian fans rather than Broncos fans.

(01-19-2017 08:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 01:23 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 07:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 10:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  PL is better than Prescott, he just needs the opportunity & the supporting cast afforded Prescott to confirm it.

You are saying that based on faith, but the facts are not behind you on that one right now.

No, I'm saying PL is better based upon watching both play college ball. Prescott cannot make the throws PL can make, given the opportunity. Given the supporting cast Prescott has & the opportunity, PL will excel. Notwithstanding my preference for PL based upon talent, Prescott has proven to be an excellent 1st yr QB & he is of fine character.

You're either high or just plain stupid.

To say Dak can't make the throws shows you haven't seen his college game and certainly haven't watched him play this NFL season.

Apparently me & the NFL - Prescott was a 4th rounder & PL 1st. High & stupid seems to describe you........

Not hardly dummy. Not every first round QB is a Godsend. #Romo

And you choose to go through life stupid. Shame.

I think there is still a better than 50% chance that Lynch is a productive NFL QB and he was a project coming out, that much was known. There is also still a chance that he ends up better than Dak.

But at this point, it's hard to argue Dak is not just better than PL, but potentially a top 10 QB in the next few years?

Who is definitely better?
- Brady, Ben, Luck, Carr, Rodgers, Ryan, Cam, Brees, Winston?, Russ Wilson,

Who is at same-ish level?
- Flacco?, Dalton?, Smith? Rivers? Stafford, Winston? Palmer

Who is competent, but maybe less?
- Flacco?, Dalton?, Smith?, Mariota? Rivers? Cousins?

With the top names getting older, there is no reason to think he's not a factor in the future.

He's got a great supporting cast and a boss line, but Dak proved himself this year.

It's not a dig to say he's better than PL now, PL has time, but this minute, not an argument

(01-19-2017 01:23 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 07:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 10:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  PL is better than Prescott, he just needs the opportunity & the supporting cast afforded Prescott to confirm it.

You are saying that based on faith, but the facts are not behind you on that one right now.

No, I'm saying PL is better based upon watching both play college ball. Prescott cannot make the throws PL can make, given the opportunity. Given the supporting cast Prescott has & the opportunity, PL will excel. Notwithstanding my preference for PL based upon talent, Prescott has proven to be an excellent 1st yr QB & he is of fine character.

You're either high or just plain stupid.

To say Dak can't make the throws shows you haven't seen his college game and certainly haven't watched him play this NFL season.

Prescott did not make these plays at Moo State.

(01-19-2017 04:36 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 01:23 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 07:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 10:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  PL is better than Prescott, he just needs the opportunity & the supporting cast afforded Prescott to confirm it.

You are saying that based on faith, but the facts are not behind you on that one right now.

No, I'm saying PL is better based upon watching both play college ball. Prescott cannot make the throws PL can make, given the opportunity. Given the supporting cast Prescott has & the opportunity, PL will excel. Notwithstanding my preference for PL based upon talent, Prescott has proven to be an excellent 1st yr QB & he is of fine character.

You're either high or just plain stupid.

To say Dak can't make the throws shows you haven't seen his college game and certainly haven't watched him play this NFL season.

Prescott did not make these plays at Moo State.

Higher than giraffe *****

(01-19-2017 05:25 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 04:36 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 01:23 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 07:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You are saying that based on faith, but the facts are not behind you on that one right now.

No, I'm saying PL is better based upon watching both play college ball. Prescott cannot make the throws PL can make, given the opportunity. Given the supporting cast Prescott has & the opportunity, PL will excel. Notwithstanding my preference for PL based upon talent, Prescott has proven to be an excellent 1st yr QB & he is of fine character.

You're either high or just plain stupid.

To say Dak can't make the throws shows you haven't seen his college game and certainly haven't watched him play this NFL season.

Prescott did not make these plays at Moo State.

Higher than giraffe *****

Go pull for your SEC chums-I watched him in college-this is not same Prescott-physically or playmaking.

(01-19-2017 03:28 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I think there is still a better than 50% chance that Lynch is a productive NFL QB and he was a project coming out, that much was known. There is also still a chance that he ends up better than Dak.

But at this point, it's hard to argue Dak is not just better than PL, but potentially a top 10 QB in the next few years?

Who is definitely better?
- Brady, Ben, Luck, Carr, Rodgers, Ryan, Cam, Brees, Winston?, Russ Wilson,

Who is at same-ish level?
- Flacco?, Dalton?, Smith? Rivers? Stafford, Winston? Palmer

Who is competent, but maybe less?
- Flacco?, Dalton?, Smith?, Mariota? Rivers? Cousins?

With the top names getting older, there is no reason to think he's not a factor in the future.

He's got a great supporting cast and a boss line, but Dak proved himself this year.

It's not a dig to say he's better than PL now, PL has time, but this minute, not an argument

One should also say as of this moment Semein is better than PL!!

(01-19-2017 08:37 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 05:25 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 04:36 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 01:23 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 07:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  No, I'm saying PL is better based upon watching both play college ball. Prescott cannot make the throws PL can make, given the opportunity. Given the supporting cast Prescott has & the opportunity, PL will excel. Notwithstanding my preference for PL based upon talent, Prescott has proven to be an excellent 1st yr QB & he is of fine character.

You're either high or just plain stupid.

To say Dak can't make the throws shows you haven't seen his college game and certainly haven't watched him play this NFL season.

Prescott did not make these plays at Moo State.

Higher than giraffe *****

Go pull for your SEC chums-I watched him in college-this is not same Prescott-physically or playmaking.

Blind and high. Great combo.