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2017 Expectations
What are your realistic expectations for WMU football next season?

Personally, I am highly optimistic that we can run the table and beat USC and Farty and go to the College Football Playoff. (If we get snubbed after going 13-0 with that schedule, we got some major problems.)

But that's optimism. I would just like to see them win the MAC West. That would be a good first step in the Lester tenure.

So, what do you think expectations should be next season?
01-17-2017 01:17 PM
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RE: 2017 Expectations
9-3.

It will take time for the new staff to get adjusted, as well as break in a new QB and receiver corps. There will be growing pains.

The defense returns nearly everyone. 9 guys that started the Cotton Bowl on defense will be back. RB corps is stacked 6 deep with talented backs. OL is big, strong and experienced. All TEs return, essential to our running game. All specialists return. Offense should be able to run circles around other MAC teams, keeping our talented, experienced defense fresh on the sidelines.

No reason not to win the MAC West.
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RE: 2017 Expectations
I expect us to do well in the MAC, and win it again. I expect we will struggle in our OOC schedule. So rough start to the year, but we finish strong in the MAC.
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RE: 2017 Expectations
Hard to say. It's tougher thanlike last year going into this past season... new QB with basically ZERO college game experience, and 3 top WRs gone. And a new HC & OC. Combined -- that changes A Lot.

I don't care how much the HC is paid -- or what I think we "Should" be and what Lester "owes" us given his contract... but it's about what I'd bet on if I'm in Vegas (ACTUAL Expectations).

I expect EMU to be better, I expect most teams, except CMU to have a better year. Including NIU+Toledo, who we play on the road. If we Do play the same MAC East teams, that helps us as they're not the toughest ones, plus 2/3 at home.

In the end:
1. 8-4 would be the highest chance.
2. 9-3
2. 7-5
4. 6-6
5. 10-2
6. 5-7
7. 11-1
7. 4-8

Any other records are too close to 0%-chance, so not worth considering.
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RE: 2017 Expectations
Assuming Toledo or NIU are the last games of the regular season, we should be in a position to win the division going into that game. If that game is meaningless the season was a dissappointment. If that game matters it's a successful season. Bowl game should be a guarantee. Anything beyond that is a bonus, anything less is an underachievement.

The same will largely apply in year two as well.

Our roster is still the best in the league, it'll be thinner, and we'll be breaking in a QB, but it's still the best.
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RE: 2017 Expectations
(01-17-2017 01:17 PM)lestern_michigan Wrote:  What are your realistic expectations for WMU football next season?

Personally, I am highly optimistic that we can run the table and beat USC and Farty and go to the College Football Playoff. (If we get snubbed after going 13-0 with that schedule, we got some major problems.)

But that's optimism. I would just like to see them win the MAC West. That would be a good first step in the Lester tenure.

So, what do you think expectations should be next season?

If Lester is smart enough to maintain the same offensive and defensive systems his players succeeded with last season, then WMU should be competitive in every game it plays in, with the exception of USC. I do not expect a championship, but to contend and be playing meaningful games in November.

Should Lester pull an Enos and force feed a new systems on players not recruited for them, the season will be a 3-4 win disaster.

Wish we had just promoted one of our coordinators to keep continuity.
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RE: 2017 Expectations
(01-17-2017 01:17 PM)lestern_michigan Wrote:  What are your realistic expectations for WMU football next season?

Personally, I am highly optimistic that we can run the table and beat USC and Farty and go to the College Football Playoff. (If we get snubbed after going 13-0 with that schedule, we got some major problems.)

But that's optimism. I would just like to see them win the MAC West. That would be a good first step in the Lester tenure.

So, what do you think expectations should be next season?

Run the table again? Please pass what you are smoking. Losing your starting QB and star receiver will make a big impact. Terrell did an excellent job not turning the ball over. WMU is opening up against a top 5 team in LA. It could be a blow out. With that being said, I would expect you guys to compete for the MAC as you still have talent on defense and you can run the ball well. But QB play is critical in winning the MAC. I inagine Flacco takes over at QB. Has he even completed a pass in a game. PJ only would put him in to run the ball in special packages.
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RE: 2017 Expectations
How many of these threads do we need
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(01-17-2017 02:19 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  How many of these threads do we need

It's the offseason.
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(01-17-2017 02:02 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  Has he even completed a pass in a game.

Yes! A critical 1st down strike vs toledo last year when they were top 25
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He has throw 12 passes so far.
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RE: 2017 Expectations
Quote:How many of these threads do we need

One every 5 days.

Quote:Run the table again? Please pass what you are smoking. Losing your starting QB and star receiver will make a big impact.

I totally agree. I didn't read his post too closely late-night -- just his question.

Quote:Personally, I am highly optimistic that we can run the table and beat USC and Farty and go to the College Football Playoff. (If we get snubbed after going 13-0 with that schedule, we got some major problems.)

Your optimism carries no value. :) If you think that we're very capable of being @USC, and to also beat @MSU... and go 13-0 also beating @NIU + @Toledo + @EMU (and CMU at home), along with prev-9W Idaho at home... all with our HC gone + our team leader gone + Star WR + 2 other Senior WRs... wow. You ARE smoking something! :)

Things do need to be put in perspective:
- One of the ways we won was winning the turnover margin [Toledo had more yards than us, but we had 3 turnovers to their 0]
- The other QB coming in has no real experience. Unless it's Flacco who doesn't pass (or hasn't really), which would be silly to think we'd be going 10W+ if that's the case
- We were at a peak year with our historic QB Leader & historic NCAA-WR. Even with a great crew the year before, we went 7-5.
- Nothing suggests or has been demonstrated over the yearS we're king of the MAC going into this year -- but yes, we're MAC West Contenders. We Shall See.

IMO, what I Expect over the years is Lester to be what "Cubit should have been"... where a Good Cubit year would be a typical one under Lester, with the Possibility of even more.

As far as making the Playoffs... If we beat (remember, our win contributes to their losses):
- 10-2 @USC
- 7-5 @MSU
- 7-5 Idaho
- 5-7 CMU
- 8-4 @EMU
- 7-5 @NIU
- 9-3 @Toledo
- 5-7 @BSU
- 6-6 Akron
- 3-9 @Buffalo
- 5-7 Kent State
+ 8-5 Miami-OH [MACC]
= 13-0

That's very Impressive. I'd Literally Bet my other virginity that it would NOT happen. Would put us in the Top 10. But not the Top 4 (for CFP).

IF we did that (in this Fantasy Land), and WON our Access Bowl going 14-0... that would pretty much Accelerate expanding the CFP. IF we beat Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl, it would have put added pressure to expand it, going 14-0 and saying "What? That's it?".
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RE: 2017 Expectations
(01-17-2017 04:18 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  
Quote:How many of these threads do we need

One every 5 days.

Quote:Run the table again? Please pass what you are smoking. Losing your starting QB and star receiver will make a big impact.

I totally agree. I didn't read his post too closely late-night -- just his question.

Quote:Personally, I am highly optimistic that we can run the table and beat USC and Farty and go to the College Football Playoff. (If we get snubbed after going 13-0 with that schedule, we got some major problems.)

Your optimism carries no value. :) If you think that we're very capable of being @USC, and to also beat @MSU... and go 13-0 also beating @NIU + @Toledo + @EMU (and CMU at home), along with prev-9W Idaho at home... all with our HC gone + our team leader gone + Star WR + 2 other Senior WRs... wow. You ARE smoking something! :)

Things do need to be put in perspective:
- One of the ways we won was winning the turnover margin [Toledo had more yards than us, but we had 3 turnovers to their 0]
- The other QB coming in has no real experience. Unless it's Flacco who doesn't pass (or hasn't really), which would be silly to think we'd be going 10W+ if that's the case
- We were at a peak year with our historic QB Leader & historic NCAA-WR. Even with a great crew the year before, we went 7-5.
- Nothing suggests or has been demonstrated over the yearS we're king of the MAC going into this year -- but yes, we're MAC West Contenders. We Shall See.

IMO, what I Expect over the years is Lester to be what "Cubit should have been"... where a Good Cubit year would be a typical one under Lester, with the Possibility of even more.

As far as making the Playoffs... If we beat (remember, our win contributes to their losses):
- 10-2 @USC
- 7-5 @MSU
- 7-5 Idaho
- 5-7 CMU
- 8-4 @EMU
- 7-5 @NIU
- 9-3 @Toledo
- 5-7 @BSU
- 6-6 Akron
- 3-9 @Buffalo
- 5-7 Kent State
+ 8-5 Miami-OH [MACC]
= 13-0

That's very Impressive. I'd Literally Bet my other virginity that it would NOT happen. Would put us in the Top 10. But not the Top 4 (for CFP).

IF we did that (in this Fantasy Land), and WON our Access Bowl going 14-0... that would pretty much Accelerate expanding the CFP. IF we beat Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl, it would have put added pressure to expand it, going 14-0 and saying "What? That's it?".
It ain't happening, but hypothetically, if we ran the table, including wins at USC and MSU, on top of a very good Idaho team, Toledo, NIU, Miami and EMU, we would be the talk of college football, and would have won 28 games out of 29, with only a one score loss to a top ten team blemishing our two year record. I say if that happened we would be in the playoff. If MSU and USC ended up with lousy records that might change things, but otherwise we would be in, as there would not likely be too many undefeated teams, and our schedule would be very strong. We earned respect this year, and that will grow if we do.
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Quote:I say if that happened we would be in the playoff. If MSU and USC ended up with lousy records that might change things

First, if MSU & USC ended up being barely over .500 or worse -- yeah, it definitely would rule it out.

But we're not talking making a BCS-bowl by sheer rank (unrelated to being G5). Nor even an 8-team playoff -- which I would more agree with you there.

It's based on Rankings tho as the season progresses -- not lobbying.

Going in and beating Miami-OH to win the MACC wouldn't propel us to #4 in the nation. We'd likely break the Top 10, but in response to "WTF", they'd say "Oh, okay, you beat @USC and @MSU. Great. MSU's a little over .500 and seem to Be getting back on track, and USC is a power. 1 Power. You didn't go thru the P12 or B1G, you went thru the MAC and got a sample. You're a great team, but you're Not Overtaking *2* P5 Champs with 1 or 2 losses, to get in. Instead, be happy with your BCS bowl here -- you're playing Minnesota who's having a breakout year. RTB!" :)
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RE: 2017 Expectations
(01-17-2017 02:02 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  
(01-17-2017 01:17 PM)lestern_michigan Wrote:  What are your realistic expectations for WMU football next season?

Personally, I am highly optimistic that we can run the table and beat USC and Farty and go to the College Football Playoff. (If we get snubbed after going 13-0 with that schedule, we got some major problems.)

But that's optimism. I would just like to see them win the MAC West. That would be a good first step in the Lester tenure.

So, what do you think expectations should be next season?

Run the table again? Please pass what you are smoking. Losing your starting QB and star receiver will make a big impact. Terrell did an excellent job not turning the ball over. WMU is opening up against a top 5 team in LA. It could be a blow out. With that being said, I would expect you guys to compete for the MAC as you still have talent on defense and you can run the ball well. But QB play is critical in winning the MAC. I inagine Flacco takes over at QB. Has he even completed a pass in a game. PJ only would put him in to run the ball in special packages.
That's why I used the key word hypothetically to see where we would stand if we won both games and ran the table. Sorry for any confusion.
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Quote:That's why I used the key word hypothetically to see where we would stand if we won both games and ran the table. Sorry for any confusion.

To be fair -- you said "I am highly optimistic that we can run the table and beat USC and Farty and go to the College Football Playoff".

You did not say you were HYPOTHETICALLY optimistic. You said HIGHLY optimistic. :)
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I figure we pull a standard Cubit year... blown out by USC, scare MSU, too close against Idaho. Win half our MAC contests and the WGner game and miss a bowl with 5 wins.
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(01-17-2017 08:19 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  I figure we pull a standard Cubit year... blown out by USC, scare MSU, too close against Idaho. Win half our MAC contests and the WGner game and miss a bowl with 5 wins.

Harsh. But a possibility.
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Quote:I figure we pull a standard Cubit year... blown out by USC, scare MSU, too close against Idaho. Win half our MAC contests and the WGner game and miss a bowl with 5 wins.

Naw. I would see a standard Cubit Year, given what we Do have to start out with -- being we get blown out by USC, fight well against MSU but lose, blow it against Idaho, bounce back against Wagner strong with a stomp, win @NIU (yes!), but lose @EMU (ugh), and get Thumped by @Toledo... and go 7-5. That's assuming our QB is pretty good for a 1st year.

2nd year Lester-turned-Cubit: We go 6-6, due to some injuries... we squeeze into a bowl... and then 5-7 the next year, 7-5 the next, etc. :)
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(01-17-2017 08:22 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  
(01-17-2017 08:19 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  I figure we pull a standard Cubit year... blown out by USC, scare MSU, too close against Idaho. Win half our MAC contests and the WGner game and miss a bowl with 5 wins.

Harsh. But a possibility.

I really want to keep the "oar in the water" philosophy... never give up what really want for what you want right now... Lester need to hire Inky Johnson to a new coaching role at WMU - "head of motivation and culture recruitment"
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