This comparison only shows the impact Dedric has had on the college level. He is having a great year.

He is having a great year, but you can't just look at stats alone when talking about NBA potential. There have been plenty of guys who put up big numbers in college (both in basketball and football) who didn't make it or last in the pros.

Scouts have said that he's too slow and not athletic enough for the league. Maybe he'll surprise everyone, but I tend to agree with that assessment. He's not built to score in the post as a 4 in the NBA. He's not fast enough and doesn't shoot well enough to be a 3.

(01-17-2017 12:34 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He is having a great year, but you can't just look at stats alone when talking about NBA potential. There have been plenty of guys who put up big numbers in college (both in basketball and football) who didn't make it or last in the pros.

Scouts have said that he's too slow and not athletic enough for the league. Maybe he'll surprise everyone, but I tend to agree with that assessment. He's not built to score in the post as a 4 in the NBA. He's not fast enough and doesn't shoot well enough to be a 3.

If Dedric cant stick in the league Offense will not be the reason

(01-17-2017 12:34 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He is having a great year, but you can't just look at stats alone when talking about NBA potential. There have been plenty of guys who put up big numbers in college (both in basketball and football) who didn't make it or last in the pros.

Scouts have said that he's too slow and not athletic enough for the league. Maybe he'll surprise everyone, but I tend to agree with that assessment. He's not built to score in the post as a 4 in the NBA. He's not fast enough and doesn't shoot well enough to be a 3.

Not being ready for the NBA may be as big a reason to leave in this day and age, especially if you're being told there's not much else you can do to improve your draft stock.

You can either toil in the NBDL or go overseas to get better at your craft.

Would you rather work on your game making $80K a year with expenses paid in Greece or Spain or Italy or stay in college?

I'm sure you could ask 10 players and their parents and get 10 different responses.

(01-17-2017 12:44 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 12:34 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He is having a great year, but you can't just look at stats alone when talking about NBA potential. There have been plenty of guys who put up big numbers in college (both in basketball and football) who didn't make it or last in the pros.

Scouts have said that he's too slow and not athletic enough for the league. Maybe he'll surprise everyone, but I tend to agree with that assessment. He's not built to score in the post as a 4 in the NBA. He's not fast enough and doesn't shoot well enough to be a 3.

Not being ready for the NBA may be as big a reason to leave in this day and age, especially if you're being told there's not much else you can do to improve your draft stock.

You can either toil in the NBDL or go overseas to get better at your craft.

Would you rather work on your game making $80K a year with expenses paid in Greece or Spain or Italy or stay in college?

I'm sure you could ask 10 players and their parents and get 10 different responses.

Good point and when you have a success story like whiteside I think more may begin to go that route.

And no i am not comparing whiteside to Dedric

Simmons can play all 5 positions and is a once in 10 year player. Injuries may derail his career-who knows-but he will be a larger taller Jason Kidd if everything goes right for him. Dedric could make the league and be a Mo Speights type player if everything breaks right for him.

Many times with borderline NBA players, it is a matter of getting into the right system with the right coach. Will Barton is a great example of that.

(01-17-2017 12:48 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 12:44 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 12:34 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He is having a great year, but you can't just look at stats alone when talking about NBA potential. There have been plenty of guys who put up big numbers in college (both in basketball and football) who didn't make it or last in the pros.

Scouts have said that he's too slow and not athletic enough for the league. Maybe he'll surprise everyone, but I tend to agree with that assessment. He's not built to score in the post as a 4 in the NBA. He's not fast enough and doesn't shoot well enough to be a 3.

Not being ready for the NBA may be as big a reason to leave in this day and age, especially if you're being told there's not much else you can do to improve your draft stock.

You can either toil in the NBDL or go overseas to get better at your craft.

Would you rather work on your game making $80K a year with expenses paid in Greece or Spain or Italy or stay in college?

I'm sure you could ask 10 players and their parents and get 10 different responses.

Good point and when you have a success story like whiteside I think more may begin to go that route.

And no i am not comparing whiteside to Dedric

Here's a good look at options for players:

http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/9/2/4685...s-overseas

In the D-League, players make between $12,000 and $24,000 for a season. Teams often have long rides in between games and don't always stay in first-class hotels.

In Europe, most players make a starting salary between $65,000 and $100,000, often untaxed. Many teams provide accommodations for players, including an apartment and a car. Depending on the level of the league, the travel is less hectic than the D-League as most teams play fewer games over a longer period of time.

Staying in the D-league does have its perks, though, money aside. Every team has an affiliation with at least one of the 30 NBA teams, so there's always the opportunity to be seen by NBA scouts. Players can also be called up from the D-League to the NBA. A 10-day contract can be worth as much as $60,000. For the 2012-2013 NBA season, 31 players were called up 36 times. Even if players don't stick on an NBA roster, that's not a bad payday for ten days of work.

And that's the low end starting salaries for overseas players.

Here's the top earners - a few Americans on the list, including a former Grizz in Nick Calathes (making $2 million per):

https://www.talkbasket.net/salaries

(01-17-2017 12:54 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Dedric could make the league and be a Mo Speights type player if everything breaks right for him.

Don't disagree at all.

Some folks need to look at the end of some of these NBA benches.

Not much difference (besides the paycheck) between a few of them and guys playing overseas or in the NBDL.

When I think of Dedric I think of Sean May. Not body wise but skill and athletic wise.

(01-17-2017 12:57 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 12:54 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Dedric could make the league and be a Mo Speights type player if everything breaks right for him.

Don't disagree at all.

Some folks need to look at the end of some of these NBA benches.

Not much difference (besides the paycheck) between a few of them and guys playing overseas or in the NBDL.

Mo is heavy enough to bang. adding good weight is Dedrics best chance at sticking in the league because he will have to guard the 4. Heck he can play the 5 at times since the league is going more euro in playing style

I mean look at some of these 3 string NBA guys:

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nba.aspx

Luke Babbit, Chris McCullough, Mike Scott, Jordan Mickey, etc.

I'm not saying Dedric is an NBA player either, but there are a solid handful of guys who have contracts for no good reason too. Happens every year.

(01-17-2017 01:11 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I mean look at some of these 3 string NBA guys:

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nba.aspx

Luke Babbit, Chris McCullough, Mike Scott, Jordan Mickey, etc.

I'm not saying Dedric is an NBA player either, but there are a solid handful of guys who have contracts for no good reason too. Happens every year.

The Grizz should get him and DJ to sit on the bench ?

The NBA needs a better, more organized, more structured D-league. It should mirror the higher levels of MLB. There is no reason that borderline NBA talent should have better opportunities overseas. There is no reason that high level NBA talent should have to choose between getting paid overseas or going to college. And, NBA teams should have an individual farm system to call players up from. The ten day contract system is absurd when you compare it to the DL / call up system of the MLB.

A player like Lawson should be given a chance to earn time on the court by being on the court, not being relegated overseas because of combine measurements. He, to me, is the exact reason that the NBA needs a minor league system.

(01-17-2017 01:32 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  The NBA needs a better, more organized, more structured D-league. It should mirror the higher levels of MLB. There is no reason that borderline NBA talent should have better opportunities overseas. There is no reason that high level NBA talent should have to choose between getting paid overseas or going to college. And, NBA teams should have an individual farm system to call players up from. The ten day contract system is absurd when you compare it to the DL / call up system of the MLB.

A player like Lawson should be given a chance to earn time on the court by being on the court, not being relegated overseas because of combine measurements. He, to me, is the exact reason that the NBA needs a minor league system.

Never gonna happen until they expand the rosters and pay more than 50K or whatever it is

Players can just make more in Europe

I personally don't think Dedric is ready for the NBA right now.

(01-17-2017 01:41 PM)450bench Wrote:  I personally don't think Dedric is ready for the NBA right now.

Probably not.

But that doesn't mean he'll put in another year of college.

(01-17-2017 01:44 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 01:41 PM)450bench Wrote:  I personally don't think Dedric is ready for the NBA right now.

Probably not.

But that doesn't mean he'll put in another year of college.

Well we've unfortunately seen some of that for sure. Keelon is making pretty good money so that could help.

(01-17-2017 01:32 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  The NBA needs a better, more organized, more structured D-league. It should mirror the higher levels of MLB. There is no reason that borderline NBA talent should have better opportunities overseas. There is no reason that high level NBA talent should have to choose between getting paid overseas or going to college. And, NBA teams should have an individual farm system to call players up from. The ten day contract system is absurd when you compare it to the DL / call up system of the MLB.

A player like Lawson should be given a chance to earn time on the court by being on the court, not being relegated overseas because of combine measurements. He, to me, is the exact reason that the NBA needs a minor league system.

Thats a good idea...But in order for that to happen someone has to pay them.

The fans aren't going to do it because there is much better basketball in the NBA and most would rather catch a college game if there is no NBA in town.

If college basketball went away they would create a legitimate farm system, but why College is doing that for them now. Heck the NFL is even worse...They fully take advantage of their free farm system by forcing guys to stay in it 3 years.

(01-17-2017 12:40 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 12:34 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He is having a great year, but you can't just look at stats alone when talking about NBA potential. There have been plenty of guys who put up big numbers in college (both in basketball and football) who didn't make it or last in the pros.

Scouts have said that he's too slow and not athletic enough for the league. Maybe he'll surprise everyone, but I tend to agree with that assessment. He's not built to score, rebound or defend in the post as a 4 in the NBA. He's not fast enough and doesn't shoot well enough to be a 3.

If Dedric cant stick in the league Offense will not be the reason

Fixed it.

(01-17-2017 01:35 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 01:32 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  The NBA needs a better, more organized, more structured D-league. It should mirror the higher levels of MLB. There is no reason that borderline NBA talent should have better opportunities overseas. There is no reason that high level NBA talent should have to choose between getting paid overseas or going to college. And, NBA teams should have an individual farm system to call players up from. The ten day contract system is absurd when you compare it to the DL / call up system of the MLB.

A player like Lawson should be given a chance to earn time on the court by being on the court, not being relegated overseas because of combine measurements. He, to me, is the exact reason that the NBA needs a minor league system.

Never gonna happen until they expand the rosters and pay more than 50K or whatever it is

Players can just make more in Europe

Absolutely agree. But, an NBA team should pay more to players in their farm system (if such a thing really existed). The trade off is holding the rights to a whole team of players while not having them on your active roster, and having the ability to call up a player for a day, a week, etc. without the use of a ten day contract and a decision at the end of the ten days to keep or cut. It would allow you to develop rookie players more slowly and allow you to draft more productively. Right now it seems a draft pick is a boom or bust in a year or two, with the slower developing draft picks usually blossoming on someone else's team. It would also require a deeper draft - not baseball deep - but at least 2 more rounds, giving high schoolers and 4 year college players more chance to get drafted.