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(01-16-2017 10:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Other PE-OTUS's actually try to work with the other party and don't seek to exacerbate divisions.

Not true of Obama, as PE-OTUS or as POTUS.
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(01-16-2017 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:02 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 10:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 10:32 AM)banker Wrote:  Here's a couple of things:

1. No President elect has ever been reported on this way by the press. That's not because he's the only one ever to be like this, but because of their general disdain for the man. They didn't care about Hillary's conflicts, including her requirement by the POTUS not to take foreign government donations to her foundation, which she totally ignored. With Trump you have people reporting innuendo, with Hillary they wouldn't even report facts if it put her in a negative light. Therefore, you are getting a constructed view of Trump - all the bad, none of the good.

2. Trump is going to be a different kind of President then Obama was. He's a nationalist, not a globalist, which is why many voted for him. We tend to believe that the blustering from other nations is because they are positioning in a new reality, one where they don't always get their way when it comes to negotiations with the US.

3. I don't like how thin Trump's skin is, but with that said Obama was probably thinner, but no one ever portrayed him the way the lefty TV types portray Trump. It's not just SNL, but the late night crowd with Hollywood thrown in. Obama was the cool, slick brother as portrayed by the entertainment industry, so he didn't have to show his azz to often (but look at his smart azz "magic wand" comment concerning Trump).

4. The dude isn't even in office yet, so what's it going to take for the left to even give him a month to see what we've potentially got in the White House? Trump will be the 8th sitting POTUS since I have been old enough to vote. I have never seen any other President not get some type of honeymoon period to get settled in.

Other PE-OTUS's actually try to work with the other party and don't seek to exacerbate divisions.

The George Wallace 'thank you' rallies....not a good idea
The cabinet picks....are a terrible idea unless you wish to sow more discord
His response to conflicts of interest...are appalling.
His continued slavery to Putin...is appalling

You guys seem to say DJT will change....I don't see it. I see no reason to be gaslit.

If I see real and consistent evidence of DJT changing, I'll admit it...But even you guys cannot show that.

There is no consensus from DJT.

You mean like, "Elections have consequences," and, "They can go to the back of the bus?"

I have to give you credit though, I didn't think it was possible for the left to continue crying for this long. This is gonna be a fun eight years.

Yea, but Obama actually won the vote.

As did Trump.
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RE: Question for Trump Supporters
John Lewis's opinion is a viable opinion ? Man that's a stretch. Obama today said His only regret from His last 8 years was He wished He helped the Democrat party more help. Nothing about His failures in middle east, economy, trillions of dollars in debt, racial divides, loss of respect for Police officers, Millions of illegals entered the country and cities given greenlights to protect them from deportations. And Trump hasn't even spent 1 second in office and Liberals scream bloody murder. Libs need to chill out , get high,or whatever you all do and let a real man lead like a buisness man can.
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(01-16-2017 11:02 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
Quote:He's attacked a civil rights icon a couple days before MLK day.

This civil rights icon also happens to be a sitting U.S. congressman who has stated unequivocally that Trump is an illegitimate president. Considering this man's current role in U.S. politics, that's a heinous charge to make. Even HRC accepts the outcome of the election; however, this man refuses to do so. The headlines SHOULD read as follows:

"Sitting U.S. Senator Refuses to Accept Presidential Election Results"

However, most of the narrative is spun like this:

"Civil Rights Leader Attacked by Trump"

Not a bad point. They could also read "Sitting US Representative Refuses to Accept Election Results after closed session on Russian hacking." A bit too wordy, lol.
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(01-16-2017 11:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 10:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Other PE-OTUS's actually try to work with the other party and don't seek to exacerbate divisions.

Not true of Obama, as PE-OTUS or as POTUS.

LOL. More false equivalency.
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RE: Question for Trump Supporters
(01-16-2017 11:02 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
Quote:He's attacked a civil rights icon a couple days before MLK day.

This civil rights icon also happens to be a sitting U.S. congressman who has stated unequivocally that Trump is an illegitimate president. Considering this man's current role in U.S. politics, that's a heinous charge to make. Even HRC accepts the outcome of the election; however, this man refuses to do so. The headlines SHOULD read as follows:

"Sitting U.S. Senator Refuses to Accept Presidential Election Results"

However, most of the narrative is spun like this:

"Civil Rights Leader Attacked by Trump"

Yep, Trump had every right to blast this moron. He is the duly elected and legitimate PEOTUS.
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(01-16-2017 10:18 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  What could he do to lose your confidence?

I ask, because in the last week we've gotten threats from China, Mexico, and Germany (probably more, but those are off the top of my head). He's decided not to divest himself from his business interests. He's questioned whether the head of the CIA leaked classified information. He's attacked a civil rights icon a couple days before MLK day. He's shown that he has the thinnest skin ever in how he can't take SNL skits. His transition team has hinted he might kick reporters out of the white house. And finally, his campaign is being investigated for ties to Russia by the Senate.

I'd like to think that most people here are not simply zealots, and would at least be skeptical of the man at this point. I've never seen anything like this in my life, and at some point it seems like it's no longer about "draining the swamp" (did he really?) and now it's more about pissing everyone off that he can.

Anyways, I can imagine the responses. It's just an honest question.

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(01-16-2017 12:10 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 10:18 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  What could he do to lose your confidence?

I ask, because in the last week we've gotten threats from China, Mexico, and Germany (probably more, but those are off the top of my head). He's decided not to divest himself from his business interests. He's questioned whether the head of the CIA leaked classified information. He's attacked a civil rights icon a couple days before MLK day. He's shown that he has the thinnest skin ever in how he can't take SNL skits. His transition team has hinted he might kick reporters out of the white house. And finally, his campaign is being investigated for ties to Russia by the Senate.

I'd like to think that most people here are not simply zealots, and would at least be skeptical of the man at this point. I've never seen anything like this in my life, and at some point it seems like it's no longer about "draining the swamp" (did he really?) and now it's more about pissing everyone off that he can.

Anyways, I can imagine the responses. It's just an honest question.

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RE: Question for Trump Supporters
(01-16-2017 11:05 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:02 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 10:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 10:32 AM)banker Wrote:  Here's a couple of things:

1. No President elect has ever been reported on this way by the press. That's not because he's the only one ever to be like this, but because of their general disdain for the man. They didn't care about Hillary's conflicts, including her requirement by the POTUS not to take foreign government donations to her foundation, which she totally ignored. With Trump you have people reporting innuendo, with Hillary they wouldn't even report facts if it put her in a negative light. Therefore, you are getting a constructed view of Trump - all the bad, none of the good.

2. Trump is going to be a different kind of President then Obama was. He's a nationalist, not a globalist, which is why many voted for him. We tend to believe that the blustering from other nations is because they are positioning in a new reality, one where they don't always get their way when it comes to negotiations with the US.

3. I don't like how thin Trump's skin is, but with that said Obama was probably thinner, but no one ever portrayed him the way the lefty TV types portray Trump. It's not just SNL, but the late night crowd with Hollywood thrown in. Obama was the cool, slick brother as portrayed by the entertainment industry, so he didn't have to show his azz to often (but look at his smart azz "magic wand" comment concerning Trump).

4. The dude isn't even in office yet, so what's it going to take for the left to even give him a month to see what we've potentially got in the White House? Trump will be the 8th sitting POTUS since I have been old enough to vote. I have never seen any other President not get some type of honeymoon period to get settled in.

Other PE-OTUS's actually try to work with the other party and don't seek to exacerbate divisions.

The George Wallace 'thank you' rallies....not a good idea
The cabinet picks....are a terrible idea unless you wish to sow more discord
His response to conflicts of interest...are appalling.
His continued slavery to Putin...is appalling

You guys seem to say DJT will change....I don't see it. I see no reason to be gaslit.

If I see real and consistent evidence of DJT changing, I'll admit it...But even you guys cannot show that.

There is no consensus from DJT.

You mean like, "Elections have consequences," and, "They can go to the back of the bus?"

I have to give you credit though, I didn't think it was possible for the left to continue crying for this long. This is gonna be a fun eight years.

Yea, but Obama actually won the vote.

As did Trump.

Hillary won the most votes cast by people.

Now once that popular vote was bleached by a racist system that throws away the votes of minority voters....DJT got a majority of the 535 people, elected disproportionally, that elected him President.

Obama won the popular vote. Twice.
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(01-16-2017 10:35 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 10:32 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  You need to go back through your list of offenses and realize those are opinions on events as opposed to facts.

Everything I listed is verifiable fact.

There is your problem.
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RE: Question for Trump Supporters
(01-16-2017 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:05 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:02 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 10:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Other PE-OTUS's actually try to work with the other party and don't seek to exacerbate divisions.

The George Wallace 'thank you' rallies....not a good idea
The cabinet picks....are a terrible idea unless you wish to sow more discord
His response to conflicts of interest...are appalling.
His continued slavery to Putin...is appalling

You guys seem to say DJT will change....I don't see it. I see no reason to be gaslit.

If I see real and consistent evidence of DJT changing, I'll admit it...But even you guys cannot show that.

There is no consensus from DJT.

You mean like, "Elections have consequences," and, "They can go to the back of the bus?"

I have to give you credit though, I didn't think it was possible for the left to continue crying for this long. This is gonna be a fun eight years.

Yea, but Obama actually won the vote.

As did Trump.

Hillary won the most votes cast by people.

Now once that popular vote was bleached by a racist system that throws away the votes of minority voters....DJT got a majority of the 535 people, elected disproportionally, that elected him President.

Obama won the popular vote. Twice.

Another person who failed American History. Whine, whine, whine. You lost, lost, lost. Cry, cry, cry. You lost, lost, lost. The fact libs are showing what tremendous crybabies and terrible losers they are just confirms and proves what conservatives have known about libs. The absolute worst whiners and sore losers ever created. No personal pride, none, nada, zero.
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RE: Question for Trump Supporters
(01-16-2017 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:05 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:02 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 10:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Other PE-OTUS's actually try to work with the other party and don't seek to exacerbate divisions.

The George Wallace 'thank you' rallies....not a good idea
The cabinet picks....are a terrible idea unless you wish to sow more discord
His response to conflicts of interest...are appalling.
His continued slavery to Putin...is appalling

You guys seem to say DJT will change....I don't see it. I see no reason to be gaslit.

If I see real and consistent evidence of DJT changing, I'll admit it...But even you guys cannot show that.

There is no consensus from DJT.

You mean like, "Elections have consequences," and, "They can go to the back of the bus?"

I have to give you credit though, I didn't think it was possible for the left to continue crying for this long. This is gonna be a fun eight years.

Yea, but Obama actually won the vote.

As did Trump.

Hillary won the most votes cast by people.

Now once that popular vote was bleached by a racist system that throws away the votes of minority voters....DJT got a majority of the 535 people, elected disproportionally, that elected him President.

Obama won the popular vote. Twice.

WTF!
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RE: Question for Trump Supporters
(01-16-2017 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:05 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:02 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 10:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Other PE-OTUS's actually try to work with the other party and don't seek to exacerbate divisions.

The George Wallace 'thank you' rallies....not a good idea
The cabinet picks....are a terrible idea unless you wish to sow more discord
His response to conflicts of interest...are appalling.
His continued slavery to Putin...is appalling

You guys seem to say DJT will change....I don't see it. I see no reason to be gaslit.

If I see real and consistent evidence of DJT changing, I'll admit it...But even you guys cannot show that.

There is no consensus from DJT.

You mean like, "Elections have consequences," and, "They can go to the back of the bus?"

I have to give you credit though, I didn't think it was possible for the left to continue crying for this long. This is gonna be a fun eight years.

Yea, but Obama actually won the vote.

As did Trump.

Hillary won the most votes cast by people.

Now once that popular vote was bleached by a racist system that throws away the votes of minority voters....DJT got a majority of the 535 people, elected disproportionally, that elected him President.

Obama won the popular vote. Twice.


There is not now, nor has there ever been, a national popular vote. Obama and Trump won using the same rules and the same system.

But keep the entertainment coming. This is comedy gold.
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Where Obama and Hillary trying to win the popular vote or win the electoral college? They were, of course, trying to win the electoral college.
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(01-16-2017 12:48 PM)appst89 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 12:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:05 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:02 AM)appst89 Wrote:  You mean like, "Elections have consequences," and, "They can go to the back of the bus?"

I have to give you credit though, I didn't think it was possible for the left to continue crying for this long. This is gonna be a fun eight years.

Yea, but Obama actually won the vote.

As did Trump.

Hillary won the most votes cast by people.

Now once that popular vote was bleached by a racist system that throws away the votes of minority voters....DJT got a majority of the 535 people, elected disproportionally, that elected him President.

Obama won the popular vote. Twice.


There is not now, nor has there ever been, a national popular vote. Obama and Trump won using the same rules and the same system.

But keep the entertainment coming. This is comedy gold.

Yes...This is getting tiresome. The left suddenly has decided that the election process is invalid because they lost. it is nothing more than sour grapes. They are torn up that they ran a schitty candidate and got beat by a equally schitty candidate. They had this in the bag and blew it. Hillary is God awful..and they knew it. They can't handle their mistake.07-coffee3
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(01-16-2017 12:57 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Where Obama and Hillary trying to win the popular vote or win the electoral college? They were, of course, trying to win the electoral college.

The rules were known to both sides before the game was played. Seems some of the losing team's fans don't even understand how this game is played.
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(01-16-2017 01:00 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 12:57 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Where Obama and Hillary trying to win the popular vote or win the electoral college? They were, of course, trying to win the electoral college.

The rules were known to both sides before the game was played. Seems some of the losing team's fans don't even understand how this game is played.

The rules are as follows

In order to be elected President...

You must be able to win a majority of electoral votes in states with white majorities.

That's the rule.
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And all those elections that minorities have decided the outcome?
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(01-16-2017 01:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 01:00 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 12:57 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Where Obama and Hillary trying to win the popular vote or win the electoral college? They were, of course, trying to win the electoral college.

The rules were known to both sides before the game was played. Seems some of the losing team's fans don't even understand how this game is played.

The rules are as follows

In order to be elected President...

You must be able to win a majority of electoral votes in states with white majorities.

That's the rule.

There are no electoral votes IN a STATE. STATES assign their assigned electoral votes, as STATE law requires, to the winner of the STATE'S popular vote, or by popular vote per congressional district and the two senatorial electoral votes to the STATEwide popular vote winner. Electoral votes per STATE are the total of the number of members of Congress that that STATE is allotted per the United STATES Census every 10 years. Every STATE is, per the United STATES Constitution, guaranteed 3 electoral votes; because every STATE is guaranteed, 2 Senators and 1 Representative.

Popular vote in each STATE determines, in general, who that STATE'S entire electoral vote goes to, with two current exceptions. There is no nationwide election in the United STATES of America for citizens to vote in. There are 50 separate citizen elections in each STATE and then the STATES allot their electors according to their own laws and in general accordance to the winner of their STATE'S election.

We are the United STATES of America. STATES elect the President and Vice-President according to their STATE laws and the will of their citizens.

This is basic United STATES Civics. Did you not have that class or did you go to a "progressive" school where feel-good bull-**** taught you that you were owed something from other people for sucking down oxygen?
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(01-16-2017 01:16 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 01:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 01:00 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 12:57 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Where Obama and Hillary trying to win the popular vote or win the electoral college? They were, of course, trying to win the electoral college.

The rules were known to both sides before the game was played. Seems some of the losing team's fans don't even understand how this game is played.

The rules are as follows

In order to be elected President...

You must be able to win a majority of electoral votes in states with white majorities.

That's the rule.

There are no electoral votes IN a state. States assign their assigned electoral votes, as state law requires, to the winner of the state's popular vote, or by popular vote per congressional district and the two senatorial electoral votes to the statewide popular vote winner. Electoral votes per state are the total of the number of members of Congress that that state is allotted per the US Census every 10 years. Every state is, per the US Constitution, guaranteed 3 electoral votes; because every state is guaranteed, 2 Senators and 1 Representative.

Popular vote in each state determines, in general, who that state's entire electoral vote goes to, with two current exceptions. There is no nationwide election in the United STATES of America. There are 51 separate votes and then the states allot their electors according to their own laws and in general accordance to the winner of their state's election.

We are the United STATES of America. STATES elect the President and Vice-President according to their state laws and the will of their citizens.

This is basic US Civics. Did you not have that class or did you go to a "progressive" school where feel-good bull-**** taught you that you were owed something from other people for sucking down oxygen?

I'm fully aware of the way it works. But if you lose the popular vote, you don't get a honeymoon, and you don't get a legitimate popular mandate. You have to earn that from the people who didn't vote for you or from a majority of the people. Its possible that I was taught by the same civic teacher in high school as William H Pryor.

You guys did NOT convince a majority of people to support DJT. DJT has done everything possible to not convince minorities either. Nor are we going to respect the office anymore than DJT does. He is the President of the white nationalist movement first, because that is how he is governing.
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