Borrowed from the main MAC board.

What's cool is we are #1 in Super's #1 ranking service, Kenpom:

RE: What are your Week 2 re-ranks
SAGARIN:
72 Akron
119 EMU
123 Ohio
159 Toledo
170 CMU
182 NIU
194 Kent State
197 Ball State
223 WMU
259 BG
268 Miami

RPI:
51 Akron
112 EMU
141 CMU
143 Toledo
151 Ohio
176 UB
202 NIU
228 WMU
247 BSU
251 Kent
262 BGSU
282 Miami

The only thing you can assert from these other "Major ranking systems" is #1 Akron, #2 EMU, #11 BG, #12 Miami.... the rest is gobileegook for now. Any ranking system should at least have that much.

Kenpom:
89 EMU
94 Ohio
97 Akron
139 Toledo
162 Kent
164 NIU
177 UB
182 CMU
183 BSU
200 WMU
249 BG
276 Miami

I have a hard time arguing against Akron at #1, although they've won all their MAC games by single digits against teams that I consider to be at the bottom of the barrel in the conference. But they still terrify me and I don't want to see Isaiah Johnson ever.

Great post, Steve. Thanks. My response:

EMU has been hovering around that slot in the Sagarin's all season. Position 119 of some 375 teams or so in D1 is a good season for a mid-major to be in the top third. It seems to not mean anything if EMU does not make the NIT/NCAA tourneys, so I too am placing emphasis on winning the MAC season/tournament championship. But EMU has been playing between the top third and top half of D1 basketball for 5 years straight now. For a mid-major program we shouldn't take this for granted.

Good job EMU and Coach Murphy! Now let's get a championship!!

(01-16-2017 10:20 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Great post, Steve. Thanks. My response:

EMU has been hovering around that slot in the Sagarin's all season. Position 119 of some 375 teams or so in D1 is a good season for a mid-major to be in the top third. It seems to not mean anything if EMU does not make the NIT/NCAA tourneys, so I too am placing emphasis on winning the MAC season/tournament championship. But EMU has been playing between the top third and top half of D1 basketball for 5 years straight now. For a mid-major program we shouldn't take this for granted.

Good job EMU and Coach Murphy! Now let's get a championship!!

I'd say: 50 - 50 we make either NCAAs or NIT.

Do remember that in addition to the tourney winner going to the NCAAs, the next best MAC team automatically goes to the NIT.

In that respect we need to finish either 1 or 2 to have a meaningful post season.

(01-17-2017 05:10 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-16-2017 10:20 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Great post, Steve. Thanks. My response:

EMU has been hovering around that slot in the Sagarin's all season. Position 119 of some 375 teams or so in D1 is a good season for a mid-major to be in the top third. It seems to not mean anything if EMU does not make the NIT/NCAA tourneys, so I too am placing emphasis on winning the MAC season/tournament championship. But EMU has been playing between the top third and top half of D1 basketball for 5 years straight now. For a mid-major program we shouldn't take this for granted.

Good job EMU and Coach Murphy! Now let's get a championship!!

I'd say: 50 - 50 we make either NCAAs or NIT.

Do remember that in addition to the tourney winner going to the NCAAs, the next best MAC team automatically goes to the NIT.

In that respect we need to finish either 1 or 2 to have a meaningful post season.

Nobody wants NIT (Not In the Tournament). NCAA or bust. Murphy's had enough time to make it happen.

Murphy has certainly had enough time to make it happen. I have been on the Championship or Bust/ Fire Murphy train all year. Now that I think of it though a deep NIT run would not be a bad alternative IF we cannot win the Tournament. Friday might give us a better idea of where EMU stands this year.

(01-17-2017 02:10 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 05:10 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-16-2017 10:20 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Great post, Steve. Thanks. My response:

EMU has been hovering around that slot in the Sagarin's all season. Position 119 of some 375 teams or so in D1 is a good season for a mid-major to be in the top third. It seems to not mean anything if EMU does not make the NIT/NCAA tourneys, so I too am placing emphasis on winning the MAC season/tournament championship. But EMU has been playing between the top third and top half of D1 basketball for 5 years straight now. For a mid-major program we shouldn't take this for granted.

Good job EMU and Coach Murphy! Now let's get a championship!!

I'd say: 50 - 50 we make either NCAAs or NIT.

Do remember that in addition to the tourney winner going to the NCAAs, the next best MAC team automatically goes to the NIT.

In that respect we need to finish either 1 or 2 to have a meaningful post season.

Nobody wants NIT (Not In the Tournament). NCAA or bust. Murphy's had enough time to make it happen.

I love when people say "...or bust" as if that is actually the case. Especially fraudulent fans like Sham here. Why is your boy Keno regressing so hard? He's had enough time to make it happen.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, only regular season conference champions are guaranteed an NIT bid. Since our regular season conference champ hasn't won the MAC tournament in like 5 years, this is easy to forget. So we would have to win the regular season outright. At that point, I think we'd all be somewhat disappointed with an NIT bid, since we'd be in position to make the Big Dance. However, it would be a big step in the right direction, with a pretty loaded team coming back next season.

(01-17-2017 02:29 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 02:10 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 05:10 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-16-2017 10:20 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Great post, Steve. Thanks. My response:

EMU has been hovering around that slot in the Sagarin's all season. Position 119 of some 375 teams or so in D1 is a good season for a mid-major to be in the top third. It seems to not mean anything if EMU does not make the NIT/NCAA tourneys, so I too am placing emphasis on winning the MAC season/tournament championship. But EMU has been playing between the top third and top half of D1 basketball for 5 years straight now. For a mid-major program we shouldn't take this for granted.

Good job EMU and Coach Murphy! Now let's get a championship!!

I'd say: 50 - 50 we make either NCAAs or NIT.

Do remember that in addition to the tourney winner going to the NCAAs, the next best MAC team automatically goes to the NIT.

In that respect we need to finish either 1 or 2 to have a meaningful post season.

Nobody wants NIT (Not In the Tournament). NCAA or bust. Murphy's had enough time to make it happen.

I love when people say "...or bust" as if that is actually the case. Especially fraudulent fans like Sham here. Why is your boy Keno regressing so hard? He's had enough time to make it happen.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, only regular season conference champions are guaranteed an NIT bid. Since our regular season conference champ hasn't won the MAC tournament in like 5 years, this is easy to forget. So we would have to win the regular season outright. At that point, I think we'd all be somewhat disappointed with an NIT bid, since we'd be in position to make the Big Dance. However, it would be a big step in the right direction, with a pretty loaded team coming back next season.

Sam, I believe the NIT now takes the best available team from the mid-major conferences.

Or, maybe, that is WNIT...

Maybe we need to check the MAC's history with the NIT.

(01-17-2017 02:46 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 02:29 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 02:10 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 05:10 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-16-2017 10:20 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Great post, Steve. Thanks. My response:

EMU has been hovering around that slot in the Sagarin's all season. Position 119 of some 375 teams or so in D1 is a good season for a mid-major to be in the top third. It seems to not mean anything if EMU does not make the NIT/NCAA tourneys, so I too am placing emphasis on winning the MAC season/tournament championship. But EMU has been playing between the top third and top half of D1 basketball for 5 years straight now. For a mid-major program we shouldn't take this for granted.

Good job EMU and Coach Murphy! Now let's get a championship!!

I'd say: 50 - 50 we make either NCAAs or NIT.

Do remember that in addition to the tourney winner going to the NCAAs, the next best MAC team automatically goes to the NIT.

In that respect we need to finish either 1 or 2 to have a meaningful post season.

Nobody wants NIT (Not In the Tournament). NCAA or bust. Murphy's had enough time to make it happen.

I love when people say "...or bust" as if that is actually the case. Especially fraudulent fans like Sham here. Why is your boy Keno regressing so hard? He's had enough time to make it happen.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, only regular season conference champions are guaranteed an NIT bid. Since our regular season conference champ hasn't won the MAC tournament in like 5 years, this is easy to forget. So we would have to win the regular season outright. At that point, I think we'd all be somewhat disappointed with an NIT bid, since we'd be in position to make the Big Dance. However, it would be a big step in the right direction, with a pretty loaded team coming back next season.

Sam, I believe the NIT now takes the best available team from the mid-major conferences.

Or, maybe, that is WNIT...

Maybe we need to check the MAC's history with the NIT.

I believe it's the WNIT, which has 64 (!) teams. The men's allows only 32. Check out the first paragraph under "Selection Process" in the link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_I...Tournament

Unless we are good enough to get an at-large to the NIT, which is highly doubtful- we'd likely have to win out and lose in the tourney final- then we'd only go if we win the regular season conference title.

(01-17-2017 02:55 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 02:46 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 02:29 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 02:10 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 05:10 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I'd say: 50 - 50 we make either NCAAs or NIT.

Do remember that in addition to the tourney winner going to the NCAAs, the next best MAC team automatically goes to the NIT.

In that respect we need to finish either 1 or 2 to have a meaningful post season.

Nobody wants NIT (Not In the Tournament). NCAA or bust. Murphy's had enough time to make it happen.

I love when people say "...or bust" as if that is actually the case. Especially fraudulent fans like Sham here. Why is your boy Keno regressing so hard? He's had enough time to make it happen.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, only regular season conference champions are guaranteed an NIT bid. Since our regular season conference champ hasn't won the MAC tournament in like 5 years, this is easy to forget. So we would have to win the regular season outright. At that point, I think we'd all be somewhat disappointed with an NIT bid, since we'd be in position to make the Big Dance. However, it would be a big step in the right direction, with a pretty loaded team coming back next season.

Sam, I believe the NIT now takes the best available team from the mid-major conferences.

Or, maybe, that is WNIT...

Maybe we need to check the MAC's history with the NIT.

I believe it's the WNIT, which has 64 (!) teams. The men's allows only 32. Check out the first paragraph under "Selection Process" in the link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_I...Tournament

Unless we are good enough to get an at-large to the NIT, which is highly doubtful- we'd likely have to win out and lose in the tourney final- then we'd only go if we win the regular season conference title.

I'm with Bob. Let's win it all. What the hell this is only a post...

(01-17-2017 02:46 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 02:29 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 02:10 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 05:10 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-16-2017 10:20 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Great post, Steve. Thanks. My response:

EMU has been hovering around that slot in the Sagarin's all season. Position 119 of some 375 teams or so in D1 is a good season for a mid-major to be in the top third. It seems to not mean anything if EMU does not make the NIT/NCAA tourneys, so I too am placing emphasis on winning the MAC season/tournament championship. But EMU has been playing between the top third and top half of D1 basketball for 5 years straight now. For a mid-major program we shouldn't take this for granted.

Good job EMU and Coach Murphy! Now let's get a championship!!

I'd say: 50 - 50 we make either NCAAs or NIT.

Do remember that in addition to the tourney winner going to the NCAAs, the next best MAC team automatically goes to the NIT.

In that respect we need to finish either 1 or 2 to have a meaningful post season.

Nobody wants NIT (Not In the Tournament). NCAA or bust. Murphy's had enough time to make it happen.

I love when people say "...or bust" as if that is actually the case. Especially fraudulent fans like Sham here. Why is your boy Keno regressing so hard? He's had enough time to make it happen.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, only regular season conference champions are guaranteed an NIT bid. Since our regular season conference champ hasn't won the MAC tournament in like 5 years, this is easy to forget. So we would have to win the regular season outright. At that point, I think we'd all be somewhat disappointed with an NIT bid, since we'd be in position to make the Big Dance. However, it would be a big step in the right direction, with a pretty loaded team coming back next season.

Sam, I believe the NIT now takes the best available team from the mid-major conferences.

Or, maybe, that is WNIT...

Maybe we need to check the MAC's history with the NIT.

The last two times the #1 seed won the conference tournament was in 2013 and 2014, with Akron and WMU winning, respectively. Both Ohio in '13 and Toledo in '14 got at-large NIT bids.

So while it's not guaranteed that a MAC team will go to the NIT (especially in a year like this one with no real "great" teams), we usually have a an at-large qualifier in the conference, assuming the #1 seed wins the MAC Tourney.

Again. NIT is irrelevant for most EMU fans who were lucky enough to witness true greatness during the Grant Long, Sweet 16, and the Boykins/Dial years. I know for guys like Sam who never got to see anything beyond the JaQuan Hart era, the NIT sounds pretty swell.

Sorry I'm not as long in the tooth as you, old man.

(01-17-2017 08:52 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Sorry I'm not as long in the tooth as you, old man.

Haha old man? I'm 5 years younger than Tom Cruise. Hey, I'm running a half marathon this spring in your conservative little **** town Grand Rapids this spring...let's see what you got. After that we can play some 1 on 1 hoops? Once a great athlete, always a great athlete. You down?

(01-18-2017 07:20 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 08:52 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Sorry I'm not as long in the tooth as you, old man.

Haha old man? I'm 5 years younger than Tom Cruise. Hey, I'm running a half marathon this spring in your conservative little **** town Grand Rapids this spring...let's see what you got. After that we can play some 1 on 1 hoops? Once a great athlete, always a great athlete. You down?

I don't know how old Sam is, but when I was that age, I'd love to take Bob on in a half marathon (which used to be a training run for me).

I remember back in 1998 a guy from work who had more muscle than Trump has money decided he wanted to try to run a marathon, etc. and that we'd compete in a 20 mile race a month earlier. The women at work thought he was the great athlete. Bad, bad mistake. I smoked him...

#BobTheRookie

(01-18-2017 07:20 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 08:52 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Sorry I'm not as long in the tooth as you, old man.

Haha old man? I'm 5 years younger than Tom Cruise. Hey, I'm running a half marathon this spring in your conservative little **** town Grand Rapids this spring...let's see what you got. After that we can play some 1 on 1 hoops? Once a great athlete, always a great athlete. You down?

Maybe worry about your conservative little *** state first, corn boy. Did you really just call yourself a "great athlete"? Hahahahaha. You literally can't get more pathetic. Can't wait for you to disappear when Keno Davis gets fired.