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(01-17-2017 04:26 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(01-17-2017 01:45 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  so will Nippert remain field turf or will grass go in? also, as land crunched as UC seems to be, would the soccer teams move over to Nippert now freeing up those fields they are using now for some other use?

Yeah...soccer team is stuck with fake turf...which really sucks.

Orlando City in the MLS will finally have a grass field again this year when they move out of the Citrus Bowl and into their new 27,000 seat stadium located very close to downtown. (Fans will fill nearby downtown bars then head to stadium)

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Orlando is one of the higher attendance MLS teams I believe?
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(01-18-2017 10:31 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(01-17-2017 04:26 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(01-17-2017 01:45 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  so will Nippert remain field turf or will grass go in? also, as land crunched as UC seems to be, would the soccer teams move over to Nippert now freeing up those fields they are using now for some other use?

Yeah...soccer team is stuck with fake turf...which really sucks.

Orlando City in the MLS will finally have a grass field again this year when they move out of the Citrus Bowl and into their new 27,000 seat stadium located very close to downtown. (Fans will fill nearby downtown bars then head to stadium)

CLICK TO ENLARGE
[Image: Stad1.jpg]

[Image: Stad2.jpg]

[Image: Stad3.jpg]

Orlando is one of the higher attendance MLS teams I believe?

Yes, they were #2 in both of their season's in the MLS (non-playoff seasons at that).

At Citrus Bowl
2015: 32,847
2016: 31,324

Having the new 27,000 seat soccer specific stadium has helped ensure sold out season tix, plus help keep average price UP.

The new stadium will tie as the 2nd largest soccer specific stadium in the MLS.
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(01-18-2017 10:41 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(01-18-2017 10:31 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(01-17-2017 04:26 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(01-17-2017 01:45 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  so will Nippert remain field turf or will grass go in? also, as land crunched as UC seems to be, would the soccer teams move over to Nippert now freeing up those fields they are using now for some other use?

Yeah...soccer team is stuck with fake turf...which really sucks.

Orlando City in the MLS will finally have a grass field again this year when they move out of the Citrus Bowl and into their new 27,000 seat stadium located very close to downtown. (Fans will fill nearby downtown bars then head to stadium)

CLICK TO ENLARGE
[Image: Stad1.jpg]

[Image: Stad2.jpg]

[Image: Stad3.jpg]

Orlando is one of the higher attendance MLS teams I believe?

Yes, they were #2 in both of their season's in the MLS (non-playoff seasons at that).

At Citrus Bowl
2015: 32,847
2016: 31,324

Having the new 27,000 seat soccer specific stadium has helped ensure sold out season tix, plus help keep average price UP.

The new stadium will tie as the 2nd largest soccer specific stadium in the MLS.
Impressive
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(01-17-2017 11:31 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(01-17-2017 06:38 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  UC signed the contract to remove the 1200 seats a couple weeks before the newly-renovated stadium opened and the school was supposedly in the running for the B12. In my opinion, UC made a bet against the P5 before the stadium expansion was complete. At the time, it made no sense to be removing 1,200 seats in a puny stadium when you're selling yourself to a P5 conference. Now those seats don't matter.

You have all the contracts between Cincy and FC Cincinnati, right?

I think you have posted about one signed in August 2015 and one signed in January of 2016. Am I missing one?

Yes I posted the contracts, though in hindsight I did miss an appendix for one of them.

UC signed the contract with FC Cincinnati in mid August 2015. Nippert reopened with the new expansion a couple of weeks later. It was this contract which affected seat removal. As you know, in fall of 2015, UC portrayed itself as in the running for the B12.

The first contract signed in August 2015 addressed use of Nippert and expanding the field for soccer. The second contract - signed in January 2016 - addressed FC Cincinnati's use of other campus facilities.
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Good to hear that is just for a soccer configuration! When I heard that Nippert was losing 1200 seats, I thought it was because UC fired legendary coach Tommy Tuberville and the demand for seats went down.
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(01-19-2017 12:15 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  Good to hear that is just for a soccer configuration! When I heard that Nippert was losing 1200 seats, I thought it was because UC fired legendary coach Tommy Tuberville and the demand for seats went down.

Tuberville is but a blip. I suspect UC fans - if they haven't already - will get over TT in a much shorter time than Tech fans will. My impression is that most UC fans have already moved on to the excitement of Fickell.

The issue regarding attendance is long-term outside the P5. "Minor league" sports are a tough sell in Cincinnati.
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(01-19-2017 12:49 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(01-19-2017 12:15 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  Good to hear that is just for a soccer configuration! When I heard that Nippert was losing 1200 seats, I thought it was because UC fired legendary coach Tommy Tuberville and the demand for seats went down.

Tuberville is but a blip. I suspect UC fans - if they haven't already - will get over TT in a much shorter time than Tech fans will. My impression is that most UC fans have already moved on to the excitement of Fickell.

The issue regarding attendance is long-term outside the P5. "Minor league" sports are a tough sell in Cincinnati.

Early returns are actually showing an increase in season ticket pre-orders from the last two year.
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(01-19-2017 01:14 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(01-19-2017 12:49 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(01-19-2017 12:15 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  Good to hear that is just for a soccer configuration! When I heard that Nippert was losing 1200 seats, I thought it was because UC fired legendary coach Tommy Tuberville and the demand for seats went down.

Tuberville is but a blip. I suspect UC fans - if they haven't already - will get over TT in a much shorter time than Tech fans will. My impression is that most UC fans have already moved on to the excitement of Fickell.

The issue regarding attendance is long-term outside the P5. "Minor league" sports are a tough sell in Cincinnati.

Early returns are actually showing an increase in season ticket pre-orders from the last two year.

I think this validates my point. I suspect some people were holding out for Tuberville to leave. Now that he's gone, they're returning.

Even though I don't plan to renew my season tickets this year (for the first time in 10 years), I am optimistic regarding UC football's prospects in 2017. I think we will see a reinvigorated, more disciplined football team. I do, however, believe this does not negate the heavy forces of operating at a disadvantage outside the P5.
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(01-19-2017 12:49 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  The issue regarding attendance is long-term outside the P5. "Minor league" sports are a tough sell in Cincinnati.

its becoming an issue inside the P5 as well. only the megas dont face this issue - in stadium attendance is an issue that all sports are beginning to feel. tickets are still being sold/distributed, but folks stop buying overpriced things that are never used eventually, no matter what tax incentives they are given to buy them
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(01-19-2017 12:13 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(01-17-2017 11:31 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  You have all the contracts between Cincy and FC Cincinnati, right?

I think you have posted about one signed in August 2015 and one signed in January of 2016. Am I missing one?

Yes I posted the contracts, though in hindsight I did miss an appendix for one of them.

UC signed the contract with FC Cincinnati in mid August 2015. Nippert reopened with the new expansion a couple of weeks later. It was this contract which affected seat removal. As you know, in fall of 2015, UC portrayed itself as in the running for the B12.

The first contract signed in August 2015 addressed use of Nippert and expanding the field for soccer. The second contract - signed in January 2016 - addressed FC Cincinnati's use of other campus facilities.

Thanks.

Did any of the contracts or appendices between UC and FC Cincinnati ever disclose the seating capacity of Nippert - post $87M club/suite expansion? In other words, counting the 1100 new club seats plus the new suites?
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(01-19-2017 02:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(01-19-2017 12:13 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(01-17-2017 11:31 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  You have all the contracts between Cincy and FC Cincinnati, right?

I think you have posted about one signed in August 2015 and one signed in January of 2016. Am I missing one?

Yes I posted the contracts, though in hindsight I did miss an appendix for one of them.

UC signed the contract with FC Cincinnati in mid August 2015. Nippert reopened with the new expansion a couple of weeks later. It was this contract which affected seat removal. As you know, in fall of 2015, UC portrayed itself as in the running for the B12.

The first contract signed in August 2015 addressed use of Nippert and expanding the field for soccer. The second contract - signed in January 2016 - addressed FC Cincinnati's use of other campus facilities.

Thanks.

Did any of the contracts or appendices between UC and FC Cincinnati ever disclose the seating capacity of Nippert - post $87M club/suite expansion? In other words, counting the 1100 new club seats plus the new suites?

It provided a number section by section, but I don't recall numbers for specific suites; however, no suite seats more than 20.

I didn't bother to post capacity numbers because it was in a format that would not have translated well to the board, and quite frankly I didn't feel like arguing with the same numnuts who get hot and bothered when their reality is disturbed.
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We had out share of fans living in fantasy land at Robertson Stadium. It had about 27,500 seats but our athletic department lied and said it had 32K. And most believed the 32K number.
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Marie has been dispatched. You will recover those 1200 seats
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(01-19-2017 10:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  We had out share of fans living in fantasy land at Robertson Stadium. It had about 27,500 seats but our athletic department lied and said it had 32K. And most believed the 32K number.

Why don't you go to Nippert and count every seat yourself? That way you can satisfy your pathetic obsession.
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(01-20-2017 06:52 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(01-19-2017 10:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  We had out share of fans living in fantasy land at Robertson Stadium. It had about 27,500 seats but our athletic department lied and said it had 32K. And most believed the 32K number.

Why don't you go to Nippert and count every seat yourself? That way you can satisfy your pathetic obsession.

Case in point.
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(01-19-2017 10:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  We had out share of fans living in fantasy land at Robertson Stadium. It had about 27,500 seats but our athletic department lied and said it had 32K. And most believed the 32K number.
They usually go with capacity not seats. Gotta count SRO which is whatever the fire marshall calculates it to be.
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(01-20-2017 09:49 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 06:52 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(01-19-2017 10:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  We had out share of fans living in fantasy land at Robertson Stadium. It had about 27,500 seats but our athletic department lied and said it had 32K. And most believed the 32K number.

Why don't you go to Nippert and count every seat yourself? That way you can satisfy your pathetic obsession.

Case in point.

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(01-20-2017 06:52 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(01-19-2017 10:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  We had out share of fans living in fantasy land at Robertson Stadium. It had about 27,500 seats but our athletic department lied and said it had 32K. And most believed the 32K number.

Why don't you go to Nippert and count every seat yourself?

As a matter of fact, I did.

Just like I counted the dots at the old Robertson and at the new TDECU, I counted the dots on the Cincy ticket website.

I counted them about an hour before the Houston game last September. I went to the site to see if it was a sell out, and I was amazed at how many tickets that were still available for sale.

Also, we were both up for Big 12 membership, so I wondered if Cincy was fibbing about Nippert Capacity. I mean, it was 35,000 pre-renovations. Then they added 1100 club seats and 53 suites. And magically it became 40,000? With the Big 12 sniffing around? Didn't make sense.

I got 33,634 seats at Nippert which included the 1100 new club seats but did NOT include the 53 suites/patios, etc. I figure at an average of 20 per suite, the seating capacity at Nippert was 34,700.

This is consistent with the FC Cincinnati match in July of 2016, announced as a "record breaking sell out crowd" of 35,061.

As BearcatsUC mentioned, the appendix to the lease agreement with FC Cincinnati contains the seating capacity by section. I searched, and BearcatsUC actually added the seating capacity up and posted it on the Cincy board in September of last year: 34,379.

I think that 34,379 number includes some but not all of the suites, and the FC Cincy sell out crowd of 35,061 includes some SRO. Below are some pictures from that game. Nippert was full. Fuller than it was for Houston.

PS Cincy announced a crowd of 40,015 for Houston last September.

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(01-20-2017 11:25 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(01-20-2017 06:52 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(01-19-2017 10:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  We had out share of fans living in fantasy land at Robertson Stadium. It had about 27,500 seats but our athletic department lied and said it had 32K. And most believed the 32K number.

Why don't you go to Nippert and count every seat yourself?

As a matter of fact, I did.

Just like I counted the dots at the old Robertson and at the new TDECU, I counted the dots on the Cincy ticket website.

I counted them about an hour before the Houston game last September. I went to the site to see if it was a sell out, and I was amazed at how many tickets that were still available for sale.

Also, we were both up for Big 12 membership, so I wondered if Cincy was fibbing about Nippert Capacity. I mean, it was 35,000 pre-renovations. Then they added 1100 club seats and 53 suites. And magically it became 40,000? With the Big 12 sniffing around? Didn't make sense.

I got 33,634 seats at Nippert which included the 1100 new club seats but did NOT include the 53 suites/patios, etc. I figure at an average of 20 per suite, the seating capacity at Nippert was 34,700.

This is consistent with the FC Cincinnati match in July of 2016, announced as a "record breaking sell out crowd" of 35,061.

As BearcatsUC mentioned, the appendix to the lease agreement with FC Cincinnati contains the seating capacity by section. I searched, and BearcatsUC actually added the seating capacity up and posted it on the Cincy board in September of last year: 34,379.

I think that 34,379 number includes some but not all of the suites, and the FC Cincy sell out crowd of 35,061 includes some SRO. Below are some pictures from that game. Nippert was full. Fuller than it was for Houston.

PS Cincy announced a crowd of 40,015 for Houston last September.

[Image: image.jpg?format=1000w]

[Image: fcc_cpfc_1.jpg]

[Image: frontpage-seasontickets_large.png]

[Image: fcc.jpg]

Yeah, I respect that. Too many people these days lie about attendence. You can do that, and get away with it sometimes. But you can't get away with capacity/seats. I've come to discover that many schools are using standing room only areas in their official capacity numbers. I know this because I've counted seats and seen differences of 5 to 10k in several stadiums. Go to a game a couple hours before it starts or linger there a couple hours after the game (stuck in traffic anyway if you try to leave) and count the seats. It's a fun exercise. This isn't aimed only at Nippert, but at all stadiums. Some are significantly smaller than the capacity they claim.
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35k for minor league soccer......even if many of those tickets were freebies, that's amazing. How can they not get an MLS team?
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