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Azab is a project, but we don't even have any other projects, so it would be nice to have him cleared.
01-15-2017 02:12 PM
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Don't be skeert to expect good tings from Azab too. I just wanna find out what he can do.

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RE: Azab!!!
(01-15-2017 02:03 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 01:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 01:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  Just an opinion, but the question with Azab is not whether he's eligible or not but how many games does he have to sit out before he can play because he played for the Egyptian national team, which the ncaa seems to think is a professional team. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here.

Then the secondary question is how much will it matter? He averaged 8 ppg in high school his senior year.

For reference sake, Jake McDowell averaged 10 ppg and Chad averaged 24 as h.s. seniors.

Have you seen him play? I haven't, but my son has played with him and some of the players at the Finch. Says he's actually got some skills. Not real fast but uses his size well, according to him. Tubby has and seems to like his game. He's 6-10 or 6-11 and weighs around 290. Tubby likes his hands and his fundamentals. Good enough for me. Let's wait until he finally gets on the floor to judge the guy. I think that's fair.

In Tubby We Trust.

Man, I was simply referencing his h.s. stats. They are what they are, just like Jake, Chad, and anyone else.

Draw whatever conclusions you choose or not to choose.
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(01-15-2017 02:12 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Azab is a project, but we don't even have any other projects, so it would be nice to have him cleared.

This.
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Yes, and Duece Ford was a NBA superstar. Neon Leon scored 50 in a high school game. Austin Nichols was the next Keith Lee. Not to mention, Adonis Thomas, Sean Banks, Dejuan Wagner, Paris London, etc or all the other unheralded players that turned out to be great Tiger players like Brett Mundt, Earnest Smith, Russell Young, Rodney Carney, D J Stephens.

If the coaches can get it wrong this much, how can you decide who can and can't play by anecdotal stats.
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RE: Azab!!!
(01-15-2017 02:35 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 02:03 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 01:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 01:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  Just an opinion, but the question with Azab is not whether he's eligible or not but how many games does he have to sit out before he can play because he played for the Egyptian national team, which the ncaa seems to think is a professional team. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here.

Then the secondary question is how much will it matter? He averaged 8 ppg in high school his senior year.

For reference sake, Jake McDowell averaged 10 ppg and Chad averaged 24 as h.s. seniors.

Have you seen him play? I haven't, but my son has played with him and some of the players at the Finch. Says he's actually got some skills. Not real fast but uses his size well, according to him. Tubby has and seems to like his game. He's 6-10 or 6-11 and weighs around 290. Tubby likes his hands and his fundamentals. Good enough for me. Let's wait until he finally gets on the floor to judge the guy. I think that's fair.

In Tubby We Trust.

Man, I was simply referencing his h.s. stats. They are what they are, just like Jake, Chad, and anyone else.

Draw whatever conclusions you choose or not to choose.

I hear ya. I was merely pointing out that there are no conclusions, at this point.
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(01-15-2017 02:45 PM)cmt Wrote:  Yes, and Duece Ford was a NBA superstar. Neon Leon scored 50 in a high school game. Austin Nichols was the next Keith Lee. Not to mention, Adonis Thomas, Sean Banks, Dejuan Wagner, Paris London, etc or all the other unheralded players that turned out to be great Tiger players like Brett Mundt, Earnest Smith, Russell Young, Rodney Carney, D J Stephens.

If the coaches can get it wrong this much, how can you decide who can and can't play by anecdotal stats.

Huh?

None of that really makes any sense.

The 1st group of people you named were all pretty much badass college players at some point. Austin, Adonis, Sean, Dejaun. Deuce had well known injury issues (like steel rods in his legs) and sadly Paris never lived up to expectations.

The other guys: Carney was the Indy Star H.S. POY and led his team to a state title. We all know DJ had two special gifts: his heart and his ability to jump really high.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that Ernest was probably a 10+ ppg guy in high school, considering I found one article that referred to him as "Former Whitehaven Star..."

Actually, after a little more digging, Smith was a star, pretty much anything but "unheralded." http://nyx.uky.edu/dips/xt7bnz80kq2w/data/0024/0024.pdf

As for Mundt, I have no idea what he averaged in h.s. but I'm gonna guess it was more than 8 ppg considering he almost averaged that in his 2 years at Memphis (5.7 ppg) before transferring to CBC.

Russell Young? He played 53 games in 4 years and scored a total of 181 points (3.4 ppg). Tiger great? Not sure how that is supposed to make your point?
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(01-15-2017 02:45 PM)cmt Wrote:  Yes, and Duece Ford was a NBA superstar. Neon Leon scored 50 in a high school game. Austin Nichols was the next Keith Lee. Not to mention, Adonis Thomas, Sean Banks, Dejuan Wagner, Paris London, etc or all the other unheralded players that turned out to be great Tiger players like Brett Mundt, Earnest Smith, Russell Young, Rodney Carney, D J Stephens.

If the coaches can get it wrong this much, how can you decide who can and can't play by anecdotal stats.

Bizarre post of the month.
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(01-15-2017 02:12 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Azab is a project, but we don't even have any other projects, so it would be nice to have him cleared.


But he is a big.
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RE: Azab!!!
(01-15-2017 02:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 02:35 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 02:03 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 01:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 01:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  Just an opinion, but the question with Azab is not whether he's eligible or not but how many games does he have to sit out before he can play because he played for the Egyptian national team, which the ncaa seems to think is a professional team. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here.

Then the secondary question is how much will it matter? He averaged 8 ppg in high school his senior year.

For reference sake, Jake McDowell averaged 10 ppg and Chad averaged 24 as h.s. seniors.

Have you seen him play? I haven't, but my son has played with him and some of the players at the Finch. Says he's actually got some skills. Not real fast but uses his size well, according to him. Tubby has and seems to like his game. He's 6-10 or 6-11 and weighs around 290. Tubby likes his hands and his fundamentals. Good enough for me. Let's wait until he finally gets on the floor to judge the guy. I think that's fair.

In Tubby We Trust.

Man, I was simply referencing his h.s. stats. They are what they are, just like Jake, Chad, and anyone else.

Draw whatever conclusions you choose or not to choose.

I hear ya. I was merely pointing out that there are no conclusions, at this point.

That's exactly what I had concluded. Waiting and seeing is more entertaining than comparing him to someone who isn't that good before he gets here.
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(01-14-2017 10:27 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(01-14-2017 06:45 PM)Smith Wrote:  
(01-14-2017 05:08 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  He's been saying the same thing for weeks.

Kid isn't going to play this year.

Based on the time of year, it would be gross incompetence for the NCAA to declare him eligible to play this year. There is no excuse for foot dragging.

I guess the only thing more incompetent would be if they cleared his eligibility, let him play all year, then declared him retroactively ineligible after the season was over, and forced a vacating of all wins.

Which they might do if, just to throw something out there, they found out he was actually a 30 year old who graduated from college in 2009 or something.
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Will Barton still has eligibility. We sure could use him now.
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If he can play, he should play because we have a better chance of winning with a legitimate big inside. Look what's happened to us since Chad went out. We lost to SMU by four points, and that was predominately because of their size advantage. With Chad, we would likely have been sitting atop the conference at 15-3 instead of in 6th place at 13-5.

As it is, we still only have to win one game to get into the dance -- one particular game -- and that appearance would be worth about $1.5M for the league over the next six years, the way the NCAA calculates it, not to mention what it would do for our program's image. We've lost a lot of money sitting out the past two years in attendance, merchandising, getting players to give us a look -- lots of things. We need to get Back in Black. (That was for you, snow.)
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Earnest Smith was the best 12 - 13 year old that I have ever seen play. He was 6-2/6-3 then and dunking with ease.
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(01-15-2017 06:51 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Earnest Smith was the best 12 - 13 year old that I have ever seen play. He was 6-2/6-3 then and dunking with ease.

Ernest Smith

Anyway, found this great write up about Ernest and that fabulous Tiger team!!


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-...y-arkansas
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(01-15-2017 04:06 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 02:12 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Azab is a project, but we don't even have any other projects, so it would be nice to have him cleared.


But he is a big.

If he understands the game, provides effort and is able to move his feet on defense he will be a huge help.

Right now with us having to double team the post on so many possessions it is causing our defense to be in a constant rotation which hurts rebounding and also creates open shots for the opponent if the ball is moved properly.
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He's not going to play.

Barely over a month left in the regular season.
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(01-15-2017 08:11 PM)springcat Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 06:51 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Earnest Smith was the best 12 - 13 year old that I have ever seen play. He was 6-2/6-3 then and dunking with ease.

Ernest Smith

Anyway, found this great write up about Ernest and that fabulous Tiger team!!


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-...y-arkansas

Was to Todd Day what Tony Allen was to Kobe. Great on the ball defender. Great.
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(01-15-2017 12:13 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 09:36 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 09:25 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(01-14-2017 10:27 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(01-14-2017 06:45 PM)Smith Wrote:  Based on the time of year, it would be gross incompetence for the NCAA to declare him eligible to play this year. There is no excuse for foot dragging.

I guess the only thing more incompetent would be if they cleared his eligibility, let him play all year, then declared him retroactively ineligible after the season was over, and forced a vacating of all wins.

Well played.

04-cheers

Has the NCAA done this to any university since?

I have not heard the words "strict liability" used (or even mentioned) by the NCAA since our case. Of course, I don't remember the NCAA using "strict liability" as a standard before our case either.

I think the NCAA argued against strict liability in the concussion lawsuits. Funny how that whole "should have known responsibility" changes case by case.
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(01-15-2017 01:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  Just an opinion, but the question with Azab is not whether he's eligible or not but how many games does he have to sit out before he can play because he played for the Egyptian national team, which the ncaa seems to think is a professional team. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here.

I might be wrong, but I think the question is first - will he be eligible. Then it's whether he has to sit games - which he's already done, so that shouldn't matter. I've been thinking this is going down more like Enes Kanter. He got money from the Turkish national team, so the NCAA drug their heels for months before declaring him permanently ineligible.
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