(08-09-2017 12:09 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 05:52 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  A lot of comments here about attendance for Boise, MWC, etc.
FWIW, Boise St./Albertsons Stadium seats 36,387. They averaged 34,273 last year.
For comparison here's the 2016 attendance for AAC, MWC and BYU, along with their attendance nat'l rank:

28 BYU 58,569
53 East Carolina 44,113
58 Houston 38,953
60 South Fla. 37,539
61 Memphis 37,346
62 San Diego St. 37,289
63 UCF 35,802
66 Boise St. 34,273
67 Cincinnati 33,585
72 Navy 31,571
75 Air Force 29,587
77 Colorado St. 27,600
78 Temple 27,225
79 UConn 26,796
83 Fresno St. 25,493
85 Hawaii 24,328
87 SMU 23,712
90 Tulane 22,718
94 Wyoming 21,266
99 New Mexico 20,277
103 Tulsa 19,234
104 Utah St. 19,136
105 Nevada 18,501

Here are the 3-year and 6-year averages for the same schools = 2014-2016 (2011-2016) and an indication (↑, ↓, ≈) of each each school's upward or downward trend the last 3 years:

BYU = 58,081 (59,482) ↓
ECU = 44,058 (45,531) ↓
Memphis = 38,333 (31,331) ↑
UCF = 34,560 (35,776) ↓
Houston = 33,748 (30,746) ↑
Boise St. = 33,463 (34,030) ↓
Cincinnati = 33,174 (32,121) ↑
SDSU - 32,920 (33,788) ↓
Navy = 32, 137 (33,162) ↓
USF = 31,604 (36,366) ↓
Temple = 31,585 (28,645) ↑
AAC Average = 30,987 (30,600) ≈
Fresno = 29,802 (31,089) ↓
Air Force = 27,925 (30,624) ↓
UConn = 27,494 (30,792) ↓
CSU = 26,364 (23,135) ↑
Hawaii = 25,071 (28,003) ↓
Tulane = 23,553 (21,370) ↑
SMU = 22,094 (21,199) ↑
New Mexico = 21,914 (21,936) ≈
Nevada = 21,511 (21,447) ≈
Utah St. = 20,322 (20,292) ≈
Tulsa = 19,501 (20,160) ↓
Wyoming = 19,642 (20,020) ≈
UNLV = 17,811 (17,842) ≈
SJSU = 15,255 (15,194) ≈

Tulsa will go up this year, 23,000 seems to be our normal high end, 19,000 is ridiculous. However now with monty building a couple solid years in a row I think a good ooc puts us closer to 25,000. If we beat osu then we are looking at 27,000 or so (high ranked in state team will bring the band wagon hard) which is still not good enough but we only have 28,500 to fill. Our biggest issue is marketing followed by 3-4 good years new coach or a drop off killing grassroots growth. 2800 undergrads makes life hard. Have to do better.

(08-07-2017 05:52 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  A lot of comments here about attendance for Boise, MWC, etc.
FWIW, Boise St./Albertsons Stadium seats 36,387. They averaged 34,273 last year.
For comparison here's the 2016 attendance for AAC, MWC and BYU, along with their attendance nat'l rank:

28 BYU 58,569
53 East Carolina 44,113
58 Houston 38,953
60 South Fla. 37,539
61 Memphis 37,346
62 San Diego St. 37,289
63 UCF 35,802
66 Boise St. 34,273
67 Cincinnati 33,585
72 Navy 31,571
75 Air Force 29,587
77 Colorado St. 27,600
78 Temple 27,225
79 UConn 26,796
83 Fresno St. 25,493
85 Hawaii 24,328
87 SMU 23,712
90 Tulane 22,718
94 Wyoming 21,266
99 New Mexico 20,277
103 Tulsa 19,234
104 Utah St. 19,136
105 Nevada 18,501

(08-07-2017 07:54 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 05:43 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 04:44 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 12:53 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 11:08 AM)YNot Wrote:  I know many on here hate Boise St. because of the way the Big East about-face went down...., but there is no way the AAC should consider a western expansion without Boise.

While the academics stink, Boise St. is *easily* the flagship for Idaho for football. And, yes, I know Idaho is a small state (1.68M population). But, note that Idaho is not much smaller than West Virginia (1.8M) or Nebraska (1.9M) and is growing at one of the fastest paces in the country. And, like West Virginia and Nebraska (and many other smaller states with great college football - like Arkansas, Mississippi, Iowa, etc.) Boise St. has the following, support, and resources to continue to excel in football. They have a bigger foundation and better recipe than the small fish in a big pod (ie, large market) strategy.

Boise is among the G5 leaders for average home game attendance. And, Boise has already designed a fairly easy stadium expansion to increase capacity to 48K. End zone seating right now is pretty weak, which enables the fairly straightforward and relatively inexpensive expansion.

The cause of much of the angst is Boise St.'s sweet-heart MWC deal for which they spurned the Big East. But, there is a reason why ESPN broadcasts every Boise St. home game and why the MWC bent over backwards to keep the Broncos around. While the local market has significance, the better measure of TV value is whether the team can cause the casual fan in Atlanta, Dallas, Los Angeles, and Chicago to pause the channel surfing and watch...

In the MWC, Boise St. will continue to provide the AAC stiff competition for the NY6 bid.

One of the best ways for the AAC to improve its TV deal and likelihood to grab the annual NY6 bowl is to add Boise St.

I have nothing against Boise St. or Idaho..But...

I don't get the East Coast love for them. Boise has been real good for a while now and had a couple of real good wins plus a Cartel Bowl or two. They have not been dominating in the last 4 years. I think the Aztecs have beat them 4 out the last 6?

Don't get me wrong, they are still good but how long? When they start dropping (for instance, there is no way they should be in the Top 25 in the pre season poll), what will Boise bring the conf? Who will follow Boise State when they are losers? Who will want to visit Boise when they BSU are losers?

A small city, with no surrounding areas of population. A minimal amount of TV's. A snowy freezing destination with no fan travel appeal. And Idaho. A state that has no people and care more about hunting than football. Add to that a Stadium that seats about 30,000 which don't sell out?

In the West...IMO...

Aztecs
Fresno St
UNLV
BYU
Colorado State

Then Boise St.

BSU only seats 30k and doesn't sell out lol. Check ticket prices, revenue, and the actual size of the stadium before commenting. All without firework shows.

Ahhh...Mr. Elduvar...No problem.

So yes, 36,000 instead of 30,000.

But No, they don't sell out every game.

***Fireworks or no Fireworks...The Aztecs have lead the MWC in attendance the last few years. In fact El-D...I just checked last year. If the Aztecs take out the SkyShow night (55,000), they still drew more fans per game than Boise State.

Correct or no Correct Sen~ior.

And yet BSU makes 2 million more per year in ticket sales than Suds. You get a bucket of chicken with your $10 seat in San Diego?

Ha...Well I hope your are in your $10 seat in San Diego this season (and I'll give you 2 potatoes) when Boise State comes to play the Aztecs.

Have fun at that one.

(08-07-2017 12:50 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 07:58 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 04:06 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 03:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Is there any way in the world that SDSU, Boise, COl St, and AF join the AAC and throw in BYU in a "bowl alliance" type agreement? It seems like it would be the best thing for all of us.

I like that idea Bearcat...but as a West Coaster I would like to see these 4 for a variety of reasons...

Aztecs

Fresno State

UNLV

BYU (even though they cheat...google Chad Bunn controversy)

We actually thought about doing this ^…. It wouldn't have worked in my opinion.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-football/

I get it...But that article was 5 years ago.

At that time the Aztecs and UNLV did not have a new Stadium coming. Things change.

....and the BE was literally falling apart and we still didn't totally commit to the above suggestion. Consequently, there’s no reason for us to consider it now.....

(08-09-2017 03:01 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 12:50 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 07:58 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 04:06 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 03:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Is there any way in the world that SDSU, Boise, COl St, and AF join the AAC and throw in BYU in a "bowl alliance" type agreement? It seems like it would be the best thing for all of us.

I like that idea Bearcat...but as a West Coaster I would like to see these 4 for a variety of reasons...

Aztecs

Fresno State

UNLV

BYU (even though they cheat...google Chad Bunn controversy)

We actually thought about doing this ^…. It wouldn't have worked in my opinion.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-football/

I get it...But that article was 5 years ago.

At that time the Aztecs and UNLV did not have a new Stadium coming. Things change.

....and the BE was literally failing apart and we still didn't totally commit to the above suggestion. Consequently, there’s no reason for us to consider it now.....

I get it from your standpoint but you have to remember...21 million viewers are available in a brand new market in SoCal.

All expansions are about eyes and TV's. There is nowhere in the nation that you can get that except SoCal.

(08-09-2017 03:36 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 03:01 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 12:50 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 07:58 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 04:06 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  I like that idea Bearcat...but as a West Coaster I would like to see these 4 for a variety of reasons...

Aztecs

Fresno State

UNLV

BYU (even though they cheat...google Chad Bunn controversy)

We actually thought about doing this ^…. It wouldn't have worked in my opinion.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-football/

I get it...But that article was 5 years ago.

At that time the Aztecs and UNLV did not have a new Stadium coming. Things change.

....and the BE was literally falling apart and we still didn't totally commit to the above suggestion. Consequently, there’s no reason for us to consider it now.....

I get it from your standpoint but you have to remember...21 million viewers are available in a brand new market in SoCal.

All expansions are about eyes and TV's. There is nowhere in the nation that you can get that except SoCal.

Let's keep this discussion real…. SDSU would only deliver a fraction of that market—which explains why it didn’t increase our TV $$ when we added it in the past….

Nothing happens until the new TV deal begins. 2019 will be the last real chance to add a school for a while if you're the AAC.

(08-10-2017 01:02 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 03:36 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 03:01 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 12:50 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 07:58 PM)Underdog Wrote:  We actually thought about doing this ^…. It wouldn't have worked in my opinion.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-football/

I get it...But that article was 5 years ago.

At that time the Aztecs and UNLV did not have a new Stadium coming. Things change.

....and the BE was literally falling apart and we still didn't totally commit to the above suggestion. Consequently, there’s no reason for us to consider it now.....

I get it from your standpoint but you have to remember...21 million viewers are available in a brand new market in SoCal.

All expansions are about eyes and TV's. There is nowhere in the nation that you can get that except SoCal.

Let's keep this discussion real…. SDSU would only deliver a fraction of that market—which explains why it didn’t increase our TV $$ when we added it in the past….

But lets look at all possibilities...

Yes, at this point the Aztecs would only add a portion of that. In fact a small portion but...

The AAC is not even in the market. Nobody knows a thing about the AAC in SoCal. TV games, new clippings, sports centers, etc would be blasting news of the AAC into 21 Million homes.

Something the AAC will never have if they don't move West.

(08-10-2017 11:04 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 01:02 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 03:36 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 03:01 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 12:50 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  I get it...But that article was 5 years ago.

At that time the Aztecs and UNLV did not have a new Stadium coming. Things change.

....and the BE was literally falling apart and we still didn't totally commit to the above suggestion. Consequently, there’s no reason for us to consider it now.....

I get it from your standpoint but you have to remember...21 million viewers are available in a brand new market in SoCal.

All expansions are about eyes and TV's. There is nowhere in the nation that you can get that except SoCal.

Let's keep this discussion real…. SDSU would only deliver a fraction of that market—which explains why it didn’t increase our TV $$ when we added it in the past….

But lets look at all possibilities...

Yes, at this point the Aztecs would only add a portion of that. In fact a small portion but...

The AAC is not even in the market. Nobody knows a thing about the AAC in SoCal. TV games, new clippings, sports centers, etc would be blasting news of the AAC into 21 Million homes.

Something the AAC will never have if they don't move West.

We don't need to move west to SD.... Most college football fans in our footprint are not going to watch a game Saturday night at 11 pm eastern time....

(08-11-2017 12:02 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 11:04 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 01:02 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 03:36 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 03:01 PM)Underdog Wrote:  ....and the BE was literally falling apart and we still didn't totally commit to the above suggestion. Consequently, there’s no reason for us to consider it now.....

I get it from your standpoint but you have to remember...21 million viewers are available in a brand new market in SoCal.

All expansions are about eyes and TV's. There is nowhere in the nation that you can get that except SoCal.

Let's keep this discussion real…. SDSU would only deliver a fraction of that market—which explains why it didn’t increase our TV $$ when we added it in the past….

But lets look at all possibilities...

Yes, at this point the Aztecs would only add a portion of that. In fact a small portion but...

The AAC is not even in the market. Nobody knows a thing about the AAC in SoCal. TV games, new clippings, sports centers, etc would be blasting news of the AAC into 21 Million homes.

Something the AAC will never have if they don't move West.

We don't need to move west to SD.... Most college football fans in our footprint are not going to watch a game Saturday night at 11 pm eastern time....

Most of our game start at 5 or 6 here, so pretty much prime time in the East.

(08-11-2017 12:13 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:02 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 11:04 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 01:02 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 03:36 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  I get it from your standpoint but you have to remember...21 million viewers are available in a brand new market in SoCal.

All expansions are about eyes and TV's. There is nowhere in the nation that you can get that except SoCal.

Let's keep this discussion real…. SDSU would only deliver a fraction of that market—which explains why it didn’t increase our TV $$ when we added it in the past….

But lets look at all possibilities...

Yes, at this point the Aztecs would only add a portion of that. In fact a small portion but...

The AAC is not even in the market. Nobody knows a thing about the AAC in SoCal. TV games, new clippings, sports centers, etc would be blasting news of the AAC into 21 Million homes.

Something the AAC will never have if they don't move West.

We don't need to move west to SD.... Most college football fans in our footprint are not going to watch a game Saturday night at 11 pm eastern time....

Most of our game start at 5 or 6 here, so pretty much prime time in the East.

9 or 10 pm is primetime, with a game that finishes around 1 or 2 am?

I thought everyone out west understood the time zone difference.

(08-11-2017 12:16 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:13 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:02 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 11:04 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 01:02 PM)Underdog Wrote:  Let's keep this discussion real…. SDSU would only deliver a fraction of that market—which explains why it didn’t increase our TV $$ when we added it in the past….

But lets look at all possibilities...

Yes, at this point the Aztecs would only add a portion of that. In fact a small portion but...

The AAC is not even in the market. Nobody knows a thing about the AAC in SoCal. TV games, new clippings, sports centers, etc would be blasting news of the AAC into 21 Million homes.

Something the AAC will never have if they don't move West.

We don't need to move west to SD.... Most college football fans in our footprint are not going to watch a game Saturday night at 11 pm eastern time....

Most of our game start at 5 or 6 here, so pretty much prime time in the East.

9 or 10 pm is primetime, with a game that finishes around 1 or 2 am?

I thought everyone out west understood the time zone difference.

SteveAztec is in total denial…. He seriously thinks people on the East coast will stay up past 12 midnight to watch a college football game on a Saturday night through early Sunday morning… unbelievable….

(08-11-2017 12:16 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:13 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:02 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 11:04 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 01:02 PM)Underdog Wrote:  Let's keep this discussion real…. SDSU would only deliver a fraction of that market—which explains why it didn’t increase our TV $$ when we added it in the past….

But lets look at all possibilities...

Yes, at this point the Aztecs would only add a portion of that. In fact a small portion but...

The AAC is not even in the market. Nobody knows a thing about the AAC in SoCal. TV games, new clippings, sports centers, etc would be blasting news of the AAC into 21 Million homes.

Something the AAC will never have if they don't move West.

We don't need to move west to SD.... Most college football fans in our footprint are not going to watch a game Saturday night at 11 pm eastern time....

Most of our game start at 5 or 6 here, so pretty much prime time in the East.

9 or 10 pm is primetime, with a game that finishes around 1 or 2 am?

I thought everyone out west understood the time zone difference.

A game that starts at 5 pm on the west coast Ends at 1 eastern time

(08-11-2017 12:39 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  A game that starts at 5 pm on the west coast Ends at 1 eastern time

Too many beers last night. My mind is fogged up a little.

You guys are right and I stand corrected on the ending time.

My bad.

(08-11-2017 12:39 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  A game that starts at 5 pm on the west coast Ends at 1 eastern time

Isn't the average college football game about 3.5 hours?

5 PM PST/8 PM EST would go until 8:30 PM PST/11:30 PM EST

(08-11-2017 12:47 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:39 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  A game that starts at 5 pm on the west coast Ends at 1 eastern time

Too many beers last night. My mind is fogged up a little.

You guys are right and I stand corrected on the ending time.

My bad.

We still love SDSU. Boise not so much

(08-11-2017 12:35 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:16 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:13 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:02 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-10-2017 11:04 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  But lets look at all possibilities...

Yes, at this point the Aztecs would only add a portion of that. In fact a small portion but...

The AAC is not even in the market. Nobody knows a thing about the AAC in SoCal. TV games, new clippings, sports centers, etc would be blasting news of the AAC into 21 Million homes.

Something the AAC will never have if they don't move West.

We don't need to move west to SD.... Most college football fans in our footprint are not going to watch a game Saturday night at 11 pm eastern time....

Most of our game start at 5 or 6 here, so pretty much prime time in the East.

9 or 10 pm is primetime, with a game that finishes around 1 or 2 am?

I thought everyone out west understood the time zone difference.

SteveAztec is in total denial…. He seriously thinks people on the East coast will stay up past 12 midnight to watch a college football game on a Saturday night through early Sunday morning… unbelievable….

I would.

Hey, I thought East Coasters were big football fans?

(08-11-2017 12:49 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:47 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:39 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  A game that starts at 5 pm on the west coast Ends at 1 eastern time

Too many beers last night. My mind is fogged up a little.

You guys are right and I stand corrected on the ending time.

My bad.

We still love SDSU. Boise not so much

No kidding on Boise. After all they play on a Blue Field. Who can take them serious.

(08-11-2017 12:49 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:35 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:16 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:13 PM)SteveAztec Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:02 PM)Underdog Wrote:  We don't need to move west to SD.... Most college football fans in our footprint are not going to watch a game Saturday night at 11 pm eastern time....

Most of our game start at 5 or 6 here, so pretty much prime time in the East.

9 or 10 pm is primetime, with a game that finishes around 1 or 2 am?

I thought everyone out west understood the time zone difference.

SteveAztec is in total denial…. He seriously thinks people on the East coast will stay up past 12 midnight to watch a college football game on a Saturday night through early Sunday morning… unbelievable….

I would.

Hey, I thought East Coasters were big football fans?

Your persistence has paid off… +2.... I give up.....

(08-11-2017 12:48 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-11-2017 12:39 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  A game that starts at 5 pm on the west coast Ends at 1 eastern time

Isn't the average college football game about 3.5 hours?

5 PM PST/8 PM EST would go until 8:30 PM PST/11:30 PM EST

Yeah, unless it's CBSS. Which a 1am end time is probably about right.