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But I think if we hire any of these guys we slide back into being irrelevant. I went to the cotton bowl saying this is a once in a lifetime thing.

However even when Fleck went to Minnesota I was optimistic about this program. That has slowly slide into a feeling like we have wasted this opportunity. We have a great chance to be at least a well known mid major however looking at position coaches after a 13 win season is not looking to advance the program.

So Kathy has the same candidate as when we were a losing team, she needs to sell the university and what it has to offer to someone such as Houston or Klieman. This should be an easy sell. The last guy won 13 and was not the strongest X and O's guy. He left talent if you get a strong X and O guy you can win a lot of games.

(01-11-2017 09:22 PM)rsswmu Wrote:  But I think if we hire any of these guys we slide back into being irrelevant. I went to the cotton bowl saying this is a once in a lifetime thing.

However even when Fleck went to Minnesota I was optimistic about this program. That has slowly slide into a feeling like we have wasted this opportunity. We have a great chance to be at least a well known mid major however looking at position coaches after a 13 win season is not looking to advance the program.

So Kathy has the same candidate as when we were a losing team, she needs to sell the university and what it has to offer to someone such as Houston or Klieman. This should be an easy sell. The last guy won 13 and was not the strongest X and O's guy. He left talent if you get a strong X and O guy you can win a lot of games.

Agree. But don't apologize for any perceived negativity. It's your opinion, and there are a lot of Bronco fans that share it.

(01-11-2017 09:22 PM)rsswmu Wrote:  But I think if we hire any of these guys we slide back into being irrelevant. I went to the cotton bowl saying this is a once in a lifetime thing.

However even when Fleck went to Minnesota I was optimistic about this program. That has slowly slide into a feeling like we have wasted this opportunity. We have a great chance to be at least a well known mid major however looking at position coaches after a 13 win season is not looking to advance the program.

So Kathy has the same candidate as when we were a losing team, she needs to sell the university and what it has to offer to someone such as Houston or Klieman. This should be an easy sell. The last guy won 13 and was not the strongest X and O's guy. He left talent if you get a strong X and O guy you can win a lot of games.

We all want what's best for Western. Kathy does too. It's an emotional time, we all went to Dallas and came back to a shock. Good news is, our opinions don't matter. Either this hire works or it doesn't. Most hated the Fleck hire for over a year....

I get what you are saying. Houston and Klieman have at least one FCS championship. Imagine what they could do with the current talent.

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(01-11-2017 09:24 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 09:22 PM)rsswmu Wrote:  But I think if we hire any of these guys we slide back into being irrelevant. I went to the cotton bowl saying this is a once in a lifetime thing.

However even when Fleck went to Minnesota I was optimistic about this program. That has slowly slide into a feeling like we have wasted this opportunity. We have a great chance to be at least a well known mid major however looking at position coaches after a 13 win season is not looking to advance the program.

So Kathy has the same candidate as when we were a losing team, she needs to sell the university and what it has to offer to someone such as Houston or Klieman. This should be an easy sell. The last guy won 13 and was not the strongest X and O's guy. He left talent if you get a strong X and O guy you can win a lot of games.

Agree. But don't apologize for any perceived negativity. It's your opinion, and there are a lot of Bronco fans that share it.

I would argue everyone on this board thinks what you think.

Nothing is a done deal - but I certainly preferred silence to this news.

We need to capitalize on the momentum we cannot play not to lose. It is a crucial time in the program's history and we can't just settle on a guy.

The FCS headcoaches have the most track record for us to judge. It doesn't guarantee that they are the best hire but they have the most of who they are as a coach out there to see. I don't think we need to take as big of a risk as we did with Fleck but if a position coach goes into the interview and just blows the doors off I'm all for it.

(01-11-2017 09:36 PM)stogie13 Wrote:  The FCS headcoaches have the most track record for us to judge. It doesn't guarantee that they are the best hire but they have the most of who they are as a coach out there to see. I don't think we need to take as big of a risk as we did with Fleck but if a position coach goes into the interview and just blows the doors off I'm all for it.

That position coach should have a proven ability to recruit then. That's why I would take Wheatley over Lester. Even MacPherson has some recruiting coordinator experience behind him at NW.

(01-11-2017 09:36 PM)stogie13 Wrote:  The FCS headcoaches have the most track record for us to judge. It doesn't guarantee that they are the best hire but they have the most of who they are as a coach out there to see. I don't think we need to take as big of a risk as we did with Fleck but if a position coach goes into the interview and just blows the doors off I'm all for it.

The problem is we got news of 3 interviews and they are all position coaches on p5 teams. So obviously this is where we think we are as a hiring staff. We need to get this in our head that we went 13-1 this is the time in our history we are most appealing.

Right now we are that guy that was a 4 his whole life and became an 8 and we still think we are a 4. We have better options now, we should act like it.

(01-11-2017 09:40 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 09:36 PM)stogie13 Wrote:  The FCS headcoaches have the most track record for us to judge. It doesn't guarantee that they are the best hire but they have the most of who they are as a coach out there to see. I don't think we need to take as big of a risk as we did with Fleck but if a position coach goes into the interview and just blows the doors off I'm all for it.

That position coach should have a proven ability to recruit then. That's why I would take Wheatley over Lester. Even MacPherson has some recruiting coordinator experience behind him at NW.

Absolutely.

I have been victim of worrying that Lester would bring us back to the years of Cubit... and honestly... Lester is younger, and more motivated... and literally more CONNECTED to WMU than Cubit ever was. Cubit just seemed to lose motivation here... he seemed to be mailing in his last year or so... recruited decently... but not on par with what PJ did... Who's to say with the resources that Lester cant put together a staff that can rock on the recruiting trail...

(01-11-2017 11:22 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  I have been victim of worrying that Lester would bring us back to the years of Cubit... and honestly... Lester is younger, and more motivated... and literally more CONNECTED to WMU than Cubit ever was. Cubit just seemed to lose motivation here... he seemed to be mailing in his last year or so... recruited decently... but not on par with what PJ did... Who's to say with the resources that Lester cant put together a staff that can rock on the recruiting trail...

Coaching hires are a crap-shoot, so all you can do is go on personality and record of performance. I'm just not seeing a highly motivated, marketer of WMU's football program in Tim Lester. Hope I'm wrong about that, but don't think so.

Hiring P5 assistants with no HC experience worked SO well for Eastern for so many years.

Besides Fleck our best coach recently was Al Molde who came here with long record of success as HC at lower levels.