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Graham Couch says Northwestern's Matt McPherson is coming in Thursday

I agree with Italian. If they salary is in the 400-500k (no booster help) range i am all for lester, he is a good coach and a good guy. I do not know about his recruiting ability. If we are paying a million or more, I would be interested in who the other candidates would be.

(01-11-2017 08:04 PM)tayles mullet Wrote:  Tony Paul from Free Press says it's down to Lester and Wheatley.

Couch says Matt McPherson (Northwestern) due to interview Thursday?

If these position coaches are your top candidates, and you can't get interest from at least coordinators, or other head coaches, something is wrong.

If you tell me that Lester and Wheatley are the top options, then I am calling Ed Pinkham and offering him the job. At least it would be something half of our players could get behind

(01-11-2017 08:26 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  If these position coaches are your top candidates, and you can't get interest from at least coordinators, or other head coaches, something is wrong.

If you tell me that Lester and Wheatley are the top options, then I am calling Ed Pinkham and offering him the job. At least it would be something half of our players could get behind

Again, these coordinators at Big schools make more than our head coach... It's a money game. Wheatley and Lester have more experience than Fleck had...

If the donors don't pay, we are left with positions coaches. It's not ideal, but we have to find the best ones and roll with it.

(01-11-2017 08:21 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:04 PM)tayles mullet Wrote:  Tony Paul from Free Press says it's down to Lester and Wheatley.

Couch says Matt McPherson (Northwestern) due to interview Thursday?

Awesome Aneese you don't talk to because he is beneath us. But instead we interview big ten position coaches. Kathy should be hiring fcs coaches like p5 raid our coaches. 13 wins and you look at p5 position coaches.

(01-11-2017 08:30 PM)ITalian83i Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:26 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  If these position coaches are your top candidates, and you can't get interest from at least coordinators, or other head coaches, something is wrong.

If you tell me that Lester and Wheatley are the top options, then I am calling Ed Pinkham and offering him the job. At least it would be something half of our players could get behind

Again, these coordinators at Big schools make more than our head coach... It's a money game. Wheatley and Lester have more experience than Fleck had...

If the donors don't pay, we are left with positions coaches. It's not ideal, but we have to find the best ones and roll with it.

FCS coaches make less

Plus Jeff Scott got paid 643 k. We are getting paid in a buyout from fleck plus should get some $ from rtb. If Kathy can't figure out a way to get to 800,000-900,000k than something wrong. She needs to be all over calling everyone to drum up as much $ as possible.

(01-11-2017 08:36 PM)rsswmu Wrote:  Plus Jeff Scott got paid 643 k. We are getting paid in a buyout from fleck plus should get some $ from rtb. If Kathy can't figure out a way to get to 800,000-900,000k than something wrong. She needs to be all over calling everyone to drum up as much $ as possible.

So you're to hire a position coach or coordinator like every other MAC school and pay them almost twice as much? Why? To look cool? So they can still leave for the first P5 job they're offered again?

(01-11-2017 08:40 PM)7 Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:36 PM)rsswmu Wrote:  Plus Jeff Scott got paid 643 k. We are getting paid in a buyout from fleck plus should get some $ from rtb. If Kathy can't figure out a way to get to 800,000-900,000k than something wrong. She needs to be all over calling everyone to drum up as much $ as possible.

So you're to hire a position coach or coordinator like every other MAC school and pay them almost twice as much? Why? To look cool? So they can still leave for the first P5 job they're offered again?

UMMMM to get a Josh Scott type OC you are going to need to give him more $ than he makes. Which is 643k so you need to bump it up to 800-900k.

(01-11-2017 08:43 PM)rsswmu Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:40 PM)7 Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:36 PM)rsswmu Wrote:  Plus Jeff Scott got paid 643 k. We are getting paid in a buyout from fleck plus should get some $ from rtb. If Kathy can't figure out a way to get to 800,000-900,000k than something wrong. She needs to be all over calling everyone to drum up as much $ as possible.

So you're to hire a position coach or coordinator like every other MAC school and pay them almost twice as much? Why? To look cool? So they can still leave for the first P5 job they're offered again?

UMMMM to get a Josh Scott type OC you are going to need to give him more $ than he makes. Which is 643k so you need to bump it up to 800-900k.

lol they're not going to hire Jeff Scott, or his brother Josh. Get a grip on reality.

(01-11-2017 08:30 PM)ITalian83i Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:26 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  If these position coaches are your top candidates, and you can't get interest from at least coordinators, or other head coaches, something is wrong.

If you tell me that Lester and Wheatley are the top options, then I am calling Ed Pinkham and offering him the job. At least it would be something half of our players could get behind

Again, these coordinators at Big schools make more than our head coach... It's a money game. Wheatley and Lester have more experience than Fleck had...

If the donors don't pay, we are left with positions coaches. It's not ideal, but we have to find the best ones and roll with it.

That just isn't true necessarily. Michigan just hired Pep Hamilton for 1 million/year. We just paid PJ 1.3. You're making the assumption that WMU is going to just revert to pre-PJ salary when I think there is every indication that our donors are willing to pony up for the right hire. This is Kathy's job to sell it to candidates and the donors. To make that marriage happen.

I think she was just caught off guard, and this is why we don't have candidates beyond midwest position coaches.

We are at a critical juncture in our football program. PJ left us at the worst time, the point at which we should be taking advantage of our Cotton Bowl appearance. Our 2017 recruiting class is shot. We need someone that can come in, have success in 2017, so we can begin to make up for it with our 2018 class.

We can't keep comparing this hire to Flecks. She flat out got lucky. And the programs are in very different places.

(01-11-2017 08:45 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:30 PM)ITalian83i Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:26 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  If these position coaches are your top candidates, and you can't get interest from at least coordinators, or other head coaches, something is wrong.

If you tell me that Lester and Wheatley are the top options, then I am calling Ed Pinkham and offering him the job. At least it would be something half of our players could get behind

Again, these coordinators at Big schools make more than our head coach... It's a money game. Wheatley and Lester have more experience than Fleck had...

If the donors don't pay, we are left with positions coaches. It's not ideal, but we have to find the best ones and roll with it.

That just isn't true necessarily. Michigan just hired Pep Hamilton for 1 million/year. We just paid PJ 1.3. You're making the assumption that WMU is going to just revert to pre-PJ salary when I think there is every indication that our donors are willing to pony up for the right hire. This is Kathy's job to sell it to candidates and the donors. To make that marriage happen.

I think she was just caught off guard, and this is why we don't have candidates beyond midwest position coaches.

We are at a critical juncture in our football program. PJ left us at the worst time, the point at which we should be taking advantage of our Cotton Bowl appearance. Our 2017 recruiting class is shot. We need someone that can come in, have success in 2017, so we can begin to make up for it with our 2018 class.

We can't keep comparing this hire to Flecks. She flat out got lucky. And the programs are in very different places.

You don't have a candidate beyond midwest position coaches before you're a directional school who plays in the MAC.

Are you people seriously this delusional?

(01-11-2017 08:26 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  If these position coaches are your top candidates, and you can't get interest from at least coordinators, or other head coaches, something is wrong.

Our booster(s) were interested in Fleck because of personal reasons. Now that Fleck is gone, the $$$$ train is turned off. Lester and Wheatley are affordable in our new budget. Welcome to reality.

(01-11-2017 08:49 PM)bronconick Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:26 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  If these position coaches are your top candidates, and you can't get interest from at least coordinators, or other head coaches, something is wrong.

Our booster(s) were interested in Fleck because of personal reasons. Now that Fleck is gone, the $$$$ train is turned off. Lester and Wheatley are affordable in our new budget. Welcome to reality.

And it's not like Fleck got paid a million dollars when he was hired. Boosters started ponying up money when they saw improvement and Fleck was recruiting better than anyone in the history of the conference.

Boosters are going to throw money at, essentially, a roll of the dice? Yeah, no.

(01-11-2017 08:48 PM)7 Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:45 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:30 PM)ITalian83i Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:26 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  If these position coaches are your top candidates, and you can't get interest from at least coordinators, or other head coaches, something is wrong.

If you tell me that Lester and Wheatley are the top options, then I am calling Ed Pinkham and offering him the job. At least it would be something half of our players could get behind

Again, these coordinators at Big schools make more than our head coach... It's a money game. Wheatley and Lester have more experience than Fleck had...

If the donors don't pay, we are left with positions coaches. It's not ideal, but we have to find the best ones and roll with it.

That just isn't true necessarily. Michigan just hired Pep Hamilton for 1 million/year. We just paid PJ 1.3. You're making the assumption that WMU is going to just revert to pre-PJ salary when I think there is every indication that our donors are willing to pony up for the right hire. This is Kathy's job to sell it to candidates and the donors. To make that marriage happen.

I think she was just caught off guard, and this is why we don't have candidates beyond midwest position coaches.

We are at a critical juncture in our football program. PJ left us at the worst time, the point at which we should be taking advantage of our Cotton Bowl appearance. Our 2017 recruiting class is shot. We need someone that can come in, have success in 2017, so we can begin to make up for it with our 2018 class.

We can't keep comparing this hire to Flecks. She flat out got lucky. And the programs are in very different places.

You don't have a candidate beyond midwest position coaches before you're a directional school who plays in the MAC.

Are you people seriously this delusional?

A lot of us were interested in successful lower-level HCs. As opposed to random P5 position coaches.

Kinda like EMU did.

I hope the donors do shell out the money and keep this going. There is no indication that has happened based on the candidates we have been interviewing. The "donors" have lots of money, but with that comes influence. They want return and they probably want to be part of this decision.

We don't know how Lester interviewed, or Wheatley or if Miles told us to piss off. Big time coordinators who just won a national Championship might be holding out for a bigger job...

There are 2 paths for an up and coming coach. G5 head coach or P5 coordinator. It's that simple. Do well at those and P5 HC job will come calling.

(01-11-2017 08:48 PM)7 Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:45 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:30 PM)ITalian83i Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:26 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  If these position coaches are your top candidates, and you can't get interest from at least coordinators, or other head coaches, something is wrong.

If you tell me that Lester and Wheatley are the top options, then I am calling Ed Pinkham and offering him the job. At least it would be something half of our players could get behind

Again, these coordinators at Big schools make more than our head coach... It's a money game. Wheatley and Lester have more experience than Fleck had...

If the donors don't pay, we are left with positions coaches. It's not ideal, but we have to find the best ones and roll with it.

That just isn't true necessarily. Michigan just hired Pep Hamilton for 1 million/year. We just paid PJ 1.3. You're making the assumption that WMU is going to just revert to pre-PJ salary when I think there is every indication that our donors are willing to pony up for the right hire. This is Kathy's job to sell it to candidates and the donors. To make that marriage happen.

I think she was just caught off guard, and this is why we don't have candidates beyond midwest position coaches.

We are at a critical juncture in our football program. PJ left us at the worst time, the point at which we should be taking advantage of our Cotton Bowl appearance. Our 2017 recruiting class is shot. We need someone that can come in, have success in 2017, so we can begin to make up for it with our 2018 class.

We can't keep comparing this hire to Flecks. She flat out got lucky. And the programs are in very different places.

You don't have a candidate beyond midwest position coaches before you're a directional school who plays in the MAC.

Are you people seriously this delusional?

I want(ed) Annese from Ferris because if we don't, we'll be facing him in Mt. Pleasant in a few years.

(01-11-2017 08:50 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:48 PM)7 Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:45 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:30 PM)ITalian83i Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 08:26 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  If these position coaches are your top candidates, and you can't get interest from at least coordinators, or other head coaches, something is wrong.

If you tell me that Lester and Wheatley are the top options, then I am calling Ed Pinkham and offering him the job. At least it would be something half of our players could get behind

Again, these coordinators at Big schools make more than our head coach... It's a money game. Wheatley and Lester have more experience than Fleck had...

If the donors don't pay, we are left with positions coaches. It's not ideal, but we have to find the best ones and roll with it.

That just isn't true necessarily. Michigan just hired Pep Hamilton for 1 million/year. We just paid PJ 1.3. You're making the assumption that WMU is going to just revert to pre-PJ salary when I think there is every indication that our donors are willing to pony up for the right hire. This is Kathy's job to sell it to candidates and the donors. To make that marriage happen.

I think she was just caught off guard, and this is why we don't have candidates beyond midwest position coaches.

We are at a critical juncture in our football program. PJ left us at the worst time, the point at which we should be taking advantage of our Cotton Bowl appearance. Our 2017 recruiting class is shot. We need someone that can come in, have success in 2017, so we can begin to make up for it with our 2018 class.

We can't keep comparing this hire to Flecks. She flat out got lucky. And the programs are in very different places.

You don't have a candidate beyond midwest position coaches before you're a directional school who plays in the MAC.

Are you people seriously this delusional?

A lot of us were interested in successful lower-level HCs. As opposed to random P5 position coaches.

Kinda like EMU did.

Oh for sure, those are options as well. Kill came from SIU (FCS), Babers came from EIU (FCS), Doeren was the DC at Wisconsin. There are good coaches to be hired by WMU. Hazel (although you can probably debate if he was actually a good coach) was a WR coach at Ohio State.

This thought they're going to get something beyond FCS head coaches, position coaches, or MAYBE a coordinator is laughable though.

If those are your expectations, you're in for a massive letdown.

I know nothing about Tim Lester, but if you logic behind not wanting him is "he interviewed 4 years ago and didn't get it," let me remind you Fleck interviewed for the NIU job twice and didn't get it. Now, NIU hired two really good coaches instead of Fleck, but WMU hired a pretty good one themselves when they hired Fleck.