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Venting -
Personally, I love this forum and I can only hope that everyone is doing everything they can to help our programs. When I donate its to the programs that I like and I don't allow the AD to dictate how my money will be spent. I have just recently sent a letter to our president.

IF MBB is the flagship program then where is the money? We used to have a program that was leading both on and off the court. We chartered flights we had the first operations manager. We had money to schedule opponents. Now we are at the bottom of the MAC in spending. A week after its announced that this is our top program we lose a KENT man to UT?!? That's embarrassing and disgusting

Can the AD show that he can move on from football? I HIGHLY doubt this can happen. Hell just last year Rob didn't have money for post game meals. I see that the department is advertising football tickets for sale this spring. To buy hoops tickets you have to wait til Oct. the new marketing guru I think is an intern. He looks like he's 12. Maybe new blood will be new ideas. Maybe it's Joel saving money for football?

I know I have rambled but this team needs our help. Make a call, donate and smack down the next ******* that starts jeering at our players!
01-12-2017 10:03 PM
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RE: Venting -
(01-12-2017 05:56 PM)OLNWFLSH Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 12:04 PM)DavidCarducci Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 10:36 AM)OLNWFLSH Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 09:37 AM)delflash Wrote:  I believe KSU basketball has been hurt by the extensive roster turnover from year to year. It's difficult to develop cohesion when your players continually change. Of course, KSU is not alone in seeing players come and go at the drop of a hat. It's the new trend. But it just seems our turnover has been exceptionally high. This does not facilitate fan interest either.

I agree - I really think this team would/could be more consistent if we still had a guard like Kellon Thomas - that impacted us much more than I would have suspected. But then I always fall into those preseason traps about the level of talent that guys like Deberry will bring. I liked reading David Carducci posts - but he had a tendency to overestimate/exaggerate incoming talent. I see Hustle belt still has us ranked 4th in the MAC- I feel that's too high as road wins will be tough to come by. Let hope they start at WMU. The good thing about this venting thread is that it shows there are still some passionate fans out there!

Thanks OLNWFLSH, I'm glad you liked my work. And I agree with you, I missed quite a bit in my evaluation of new talent.
I can think of so many players over the years who looked great in workouts and in the lead-up to the season. Just last year, I was convinced Marvin Jones would be a major impact player. He was athletic, had excellent range on his jumper. He dominated in some practices. For whatever reason, it didn't work out.
Maybe the most physically gifted player I've seen at KSU was Rashad Woods. Again, he didn't quite fit. I'm still convinced Tyree Evans could have been special here, but that injured finger really impacted his game, his ability to score and create his own shot.
Sometimes I was right, and maybe even had an impact in how some young players ended up being used and ultimately getting an early chance to develop. A late night up talking with Jim Christian and his staff ended with the decision to put freshman Chris Singletary and Rod Sherman into the starting lineup. By no means am I saying I convinced them to do that. But I was a big proponent of that decision. I've always liked it when high-ceiling freshman get a chance to start early in their careers, make some mistakes and grow along with veterans. I loved that potential with Pippen and Peterson at the start of the year and hope to see their opportunities continue to grow as the season goes on. I believe they could be special players.
But I agree with you. My intention wasn't to exaggerate, but I definitely overestimated. I tend be an optimist and that may have been a negative in my career as a reporter. It may have also been a negative for some players and coaches in that it led to fan expectations being higher than they should have been. Fortunately for all of you, I'm not a coach and I don't recruit! I can only hurt the program by creating a few dumb graphics, tweets, and radio commentary!
I have to say, I agree quite a bit with Danny. I hope none of you take this as an insult, but those of us who work so closely with these student-athletes and coaches do get a bit oversensitive about criticism of them. We see the hard work behind the scenes and we know and care about them as people. So, when several fans were heckling our own players during and after the game on Tuesday, I was really upset. I know one player in particular who was extremely hurt a week earlier by some really rude and obnoxious things that were shouted at him. We have a good fan base at Kent State and this kind of behavior is not the norm. Having spent a great deal of time in Europe, there's part of me that loves the way fans are there. Actually, they call themselves supporters rather than fans. They have a different relationship with their teams. They may get frustrated, but they are constantly supportive and do what they can to help the team and create a home-field/court advantage during a season, even in a down year. They get excited for gameday and the chance to cheer their team no matter what, through thick and thin.
There are some really good young men on this men's basketball team who could benefit from that kind of relationship with the fan base. I enjoy being around these players. Support from fans can help them get through a slump or a stretch when they are struggling with confidence. That positive game day environment also helps in recruiting. Kids want to play at a place where fans are into the game – even an ugly game – and do what they can to pull the team out of a bad stretch.
Anyway, sorry about getting up on the soapbox. I'm a Kent State employee, but I've spent my entire life here, going to games with my father starting at around age 3. I care about the men's basketball program, but I also care about the people who make up the program, and I'd love to see the fans to have more of a symbiotic relationship with an understanding that they really can make a difference in a very positive way.
Dave Thanks for coming on the board again and making some important points. I always enjoyed your RC stories and appreciate all you do for KSU athletics. You are correct we have some good kids - the interaction with the crowd during the national anthem earlier in the season is a great example. I also frown on the heckling - I have a friend who is a HS BB coach and his wife can't go to games as she doesn't want to hear all the complaining about the coach. I have taught at D III schools and even at that level there are pressures on coaches and kids who aren't getting scholarships - when they get injured their folks pay for the MRI etc... I also hope you weren't offended by my point about player evaluation. Some of the kids you mentioned in the past may have just been in the wrong system - it seems we have had some guys go on to success at smaller schools. I have learned to temper expectations - but I sure love getting a chance to spend a few days in Cleveland during the MACC! It just seems like every year we have great talent coming in and it doesn't mesh - probably to be expected when so many new faces are out there. We all loved the 2002 team but most of those guys payed together long enough to know each other pretty darn well. Dave keep being an optimist! I am probably more of a glass half empty guy - but got to say I lived to see the elite 8 run and I can tell you there were times in the dimly lit past when I would wonder if we would ever beat OU!

BTW - Julian Edelmann is now an author of a kids book - note his KSU shirt is inside out

http://www.nh1.com/news/new-england-patr...ing-high-/

He should have made it a black squirrel...
01-14-2017 01:15 AM
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RE: Venting -
(01-12-2017 12:04 PM)DavidCarducci Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 10:36 AM)OLNWFLSH Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 09:37 AM)delflash Wrote:  I believe KSU basketball has been hurt by the extensive roster turnover from year to year. It's difficult to develop cohesion when your players continually change. Of course, KSU is not alone in seeing players come and go at the drop of a hat. It's the new trend. But it just seems our turnover has been exceptionally high. This does not facilitate fan interest either.

I agree - I really think this team would/could be more consistent if we still had a guard like Kellon Thomas - that impacted us much more than I would have suspected. But then I always fall into those preseason traps about the level of talent that guys like Deberry will bring. I liked reading David Carducci posts - but he had a tendency to overestimate/exaggerate incoming talent. I see Hustle belt still has us ranked 4th in the MAC- I feel that's too high as road wins will be tough to come by. Let hope they start at WMU. The good thing about this venting thread is that it shows there are still some passionate fans out there!

Thanks OLNWFLSH, I'm glad you liked my work. And I agree with you, I missed quite a bit in my evaluation of new talent.
I can think of so many players over the years who looked great in workouts and in the lead-up to the season. Just last year, I was convinced Marvin Jones would be a major impact player. He was athletic, had excellent range on his jumper. He dominated in some practices. For whatever reason, it didn't work out.
Maybe the most physically gifted player I've seen at KSU was Rashad Woods. Again, he didn't quite fit. I'm still convinced Tyree Evans could have been special here, but that injured finger really impacted his game, his ability to score and create his own shot.
Sometimes I was right, and maybe even had an impact in how some young players ended up being used and ultimately getting an early chance to develop. A late night up talking with Jim Christian and his staff ended with the decision to put freshman Chris Singletary and Rod Sherman into the starting lineup. By no means am I saying I convinced them to do that. But I was a big proponent of that decision. I've always liked it when high-ceiling freshman get a chance to start early in their careers, make some mistakes and grow along with veterans. I loved that potential with Pippen and Peterson at the start of the year and hope to see their opportunities continue to grow as the season goes on. I believe they could be special players.
But I agree with you. My intention wasn't to exaggerate, but I definitely overestimated. I tend be an optimist and that may have been a negative in my career as a reporter. It may have also been a negative for some players and coaches in that it led to fan expectations being higher than they should have been. Fortunately for all of you, I'm not a coach and I don't recruit! I can only hurt the program by creating a few dumb graphics, tweets, and radio commentary!
I have to say, I agree quite a bit with Danny. I hope none of you take this as an insult, but those of us who work so closely with these student-athletes and coaches do get a bit oversensitive about criticism of them. We see the hard work behind the scenes and we know and care about them as people. So, when several fans were heckling our own players during and after the game on Tuesday, I was really upset. I know one player in particular who was extremely hurt a week earlier by some really rude and obnoxious things that were shouted at him. We have a good fan base at Kent State and this kind of behavior is not the norm. Having spent a great deal of time in Europe, there's part of me that loves the way fans are there. Actually, they call themselves supporters rather than fans. They have a different relationship with their teams. They may get frustrated, but they are constantly supportive and do what they can to help the team and create a home-field/court advantage during a season, even in a down year. They get excited for gameday and the chance to cheer their team no matter what, through thick and thin.
There are some really good young men on this men's basketball team who could benefit from that kind of relationship with the fan base. I enjoy being around these players. Support from fans can help them get through a slump or a stretch when they are struggling with confidence. That positive gameday environment also helps in recruiting. Kids want to play at a place where fans are into the game – even an ugly game – and do what they can to pull the team out of a bad stretch.
Anyway, sorry about getting up on the soapbox. I'm a Kent State employee, but I've spent my entire life here, going to games with my father starting at around age 3. I care about the men's basketball program, but I also care about the people who make up the program, and I'd love to see the fans to have more of a symbiotic relationship with an understanding that they really can make a difference in a very positive way.

Dave-good to read you again! No excuses for heckling players. I have shouted out "no" when a certain 7 footer (and other "bigs) appears to be ready to launch an il-advised 3 pt attempt. I see this out of control play from our guys a lot and it frustrates me. I imagine that our coaches have discussed proper shot selection with each player (understand your role) so how does this type thing keep happening? Are today's players that uncoachable?

What I'm most frustrated about is the apparent lack of funds our program has. Can't buy post game meals? Ticket office that can't properly deliver tickets to season ticket holders (I never even get a flier in the mail about buying football tickets anymore...after being a season ticket holder for 20 years!). I don't hear of other MAC programs being run on a "wing and a prayer" like ours. Are they? Seems to me that everything at KSU (quality of students, programs, buildings, etc.) keeps getting better but not our BB program (and obviously football).

In a nutshell, all of the winning KSU men's BB has done since '99 seems to have gotten us nothing but some great memories...didn't build a better facility, haven't built a bigger fan base, haven't improved the home schedule, almost zero marketing of the team, and now the team isn't very good. That was bound to happen eventually (look at Ohio State BB this year) so a bad year or two isn't my main concern. Development of the "program" is...

I have donated a sizeable chunk of $ to KSU (men's hoops specifically) and really have no idea what my $ was used for. Appears it was used to "keep things going" rather than truly improving things.

My guess is that some others on this board share some of my frustrations. To me this isn't "whining" but real concern for my #1 sports interest and love for my Alma Mater. Please give me any feedback that you can. Thanks Dave!
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01-14-2017 10:16 AM
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RE: Venting -
I've had to avoid this forum for the last couple of weeks, because reading here while we're on a losing streak can be a bummer...

...but we did know, going into this season, that we weren't likely to win a lot of MAC games - we had too few returning players. You never know what you're getting with new transfers and freshmen, and they're playing a lot.

I expected DeBerry and Edwards to contribute a lot this year, and they were misses. My hope is now that J-Walker, A-Walker, Pippen, Avery, Peterson, De La Rosa, Zabo, along with Taishaun Johnson for a strong core for a 2-year run. Let them get game experience this year.
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Kind of fun to go back and read this thread. Wondering how many people would have different opinions after the last 3 days.
03-12-2017 12:34 AM
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I guess this is the kind of crap that proves my point - back to back posts on the Akron board where they essentially want Dambrot fired or serious changes made to the program. Overreact much? You can either justify it that all fans do it (and continue to look like idiot Zip fans who want their coach fired after making the MAC title game in 9/13 years) or get on board, be supportive and encouraging, and enjoy the ride. It could be much worse.

I've said my peace. I hope those of you that offered negative opinions of Rob, Jaylin, Jimmy, Danny, and any others throughout the season have seen the light that these guys are all working hard and the talent is there, the coaching is there, and the chips simply need to fall correctly. About the only thing I agree with from Dambrot's post game comments is that there is such a small difference in this league between so many teams, it's hard to win every night out. Once you understand that and know these are kids and kids make mistakes, you should be able to get behind the people representing KSU unconditionally.
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LOL It is amazing that any Akron fan would feel that way. What did Akron ever accomplish as a DI program before Dambrot? Hipsher had some good teams, but most of his teams underachieved or even collapsed.
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I have yet to meet a smart zit anyway. I have for a long time thought that KD was the best coach in the MAC. You have to look at recruiting and record. He has been very consistent. I have now hitched my wagon to Sendy. This year is one of the most masterful coaching jobs I have seen. Yes, I know that I wavered a little, but if you review my post, you will see that I have been very supportive for a long time.
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His stock price took a huge jump in the last few days............ COGS Don't be surprised if his phone starts ringing....
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I've been in the group sometimes called an "apologist" for this team and coaches.

I prefer to be called "correct."

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