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First, Bopol +1000

Second, I'm assuming it was the "recruiting" word that touched a nerve given the occasional "inside info" that's shared. Whatever. It's a fan forum. Fan is short for fanatic. Fanatics are passionate. So, just like you feel the need to whine about someone saying something you don't like, I feel the need to wine about performances like the OU game. And the Oregon st game. And the NIU game. I was there from 99-03. While I don't expect an Elite 8 team every year, I expect more than what's been put on the court the last handful of years. Could I do better? Hell no. But could someone else? Hell yes. My opinion. Which I'm allowed to have. If you don't like it, block me. It works. Well at least it normally works, until the site for some reason removes the people you block, which is how I saw this post to begin with.
01-11-2017 08:31 PM
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I didn't want to respond to this, but the woman is watching something dumb, and I'm bored... so what the heck.

From what I can tell, I was the first to criticize the coaching last night and I had the longest post on it so I guess some of this is directed at me. So I guess I'll weigh in. I don't think any of the criticism I made regarding last night's game, or the rotations was unfair. I'm NOT calling for any coach's jobs or implying that I think we have the wrong people in charge. If anyone disagrees with any point I made last night, by all means, respond to it. Address my point and why you think I'm wrong, don't address my right to make the point.

Lastly I won't stoop to defending my "qualifications" to make any of the observations I've made... which I almost always provide stats to support.

Now let's get back to what's really important... sh!t posting about how Kenny Kaminski is 6 feet 8 inches of fake tough guy who pulled down exactly 0 rebounds in 23 minutes last night.
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01-11-2017 08:58 PM
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(01-11-2017 02:56 PM)cschierh Wrote:  Dannyb73

I don't agree with everything you write, but I'm glad you're active on the board.

My sentiments exactly.
01-11-2017 11:58 PM
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Burden said, "I continue to think that Senderoff did fix many of the problems with the club when he took over and the team would have blown up if he didn't take the helm." Interesting. I never heard that before. I wish he would explain. All I know is that Coach Senderoff has not done as well as the previous four coaches, particularly against MAC opponents and especially their main rival, Akron. Maybe most important, they just don't look good most of the time. Recruiting? Coaching? I just don't know.
01-12-2017 08:06 AM
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I believe KSU basketball has been hurt by the extensive roster turnover from year to year. It's difficult to develop cohesion when your players continually change. Of course, KSU is not alone in seeing players come and go at the drop of a hat. It's the new trend. But it just seems our turnover has been exceptionally high. This does not facilitate fan interest either.
01-12-2017 09:37 AM
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I agree with delflash. Especially for this year, when nine new players joined the roster, along with a new assistant. The pressure to develop player chemistry, not to mention the team rotation in such a short time span has to have a [negative] impact. Therefore, I have acknowledged that this year is a rebuilding year, and leave it at that.

It is frustrating because I measure expectations from previous performance, which, for me, is hard not to do.

A bit off-topic, but I really wish KSU would schedule more games out east, especially with Big East teams. Would gain more exposure, plus the east coast has previously proven to be fertile ground for recruiting. Not to mention I would be able see the team in person.
01-12-2017 10:02 AM
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(01-12-2017 09:37 AM)delflash Wrote:  I believe KSU basketball has been hurt by the extensive roster turnover from year to year. It's difficult to develop cohesion when your players continually change. Of course, KSU is not alone in seeing players come and go at the drop of a hat. It's the new trend. But it just seems our turnover has been exceptionally high. This does not facilitate fan interest either.

I agree - I really think this team would/could be more consistent if we still had a guard like Kellon Thomas - that impacted us much more than I would have suspected. But then I always fall into those preseason traps about the level of talent that guys like Deberry will bring. I liked reading David Carducci posts - but he had a tendency to overestimate/exaggerate incoming talent. I see Hustle belt still has us ranked 4th in the MAC- I feel that's too high as road wins will be tough to come by. Let hope they start at WMU. The good thing about this venting thread is that it shows there are still some passionate fans out there!
01-12-2017 10:36 AM
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My three biggest concerns over the last few years:

- lack of retention (mentioned above)
- lack of visible development
- deteriorating home schedule
01-12-2017 11:03 AM
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(01-12-2017 10:36 AM)OLNWFLSH Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 09:37 AM)delflash Wrote:  I believe KSU basketball has been hurt by the extensive roster turnover from year to year. It's difficult to develop cohesion when your players continually change. Of course, KSU is not alone in seeing players come and go at the drop of a hat. It's the new trend. But it just seems our turnover has been exceptionally high. This does not facilitate fan interest either.

I agree - I really think this team would/could be more consistent if we still had a guard like Kellon Thomas - that impacted us much more than I would have suspected. But then I always fall into those preseason traps about the level of talent that guys like Deberry will bring. I liked reading David Carducci posts - but he had a tendency to overestimate/exaggerate incoming talent. I see Hustle belt still has us ranked 4th in the MAC- I feel that's too high as road wins will be tough to come by. Let hope they start at WMU. The good thing about this venting thread is that it shows there are still some passionate fans out there!

Thanks OLNWFLSH, I'm glad you liked my work. And I agree with you, I missed quite a bit in my evaluation of new talent.
I can think of so many players over the years who looked great in workouts and in the lead-up to the season. Just last year, I was convinced Marvin Jones would be a major impact player. He was athletic, had excellent range on his jumper. He dominated in some practices. For whatever reason, it didn't work out.
Maybe the most physically gifted player I've seen at KSU was Rashad Woods. Again, he didn't quite fit. I'm still convinced Tyree Evans could have been special here, but that injured finger really impacted his game, his ability to score and create his own shot.
Sometimes I was right, and maybe even had an impact in how some young players ended up being used and ultimately getting an early chance to develop. A late night up talking with Jim Christian and his staff ended with the decision to put freshman Chris Singletary and Rod Sherman into the starting lineup. By no means am I saying I convinced them to do that. But I was a big proponent of that decision. I've always liked it when high-ceiling freshman get a chance to start early in their careers, make some mistakes and grow along with veterans. I loved that potential with Pippen and Peterson at the start of the year and hope to see their opportunities continue to grow as the season goes on. I believe they could be special players.
But I agree with you. My intention wasn't to exaggerate, but I definitely overestimated. I tend be an optimist and that may have been a negative in my career as a reporter. It may have also been a negative for some players and coaches in that it led to fan expectations being higher than they should have been. Fortunately for all of you, I'm not a coach and I don't recruit! I can only hurt the program by creating a few dumb graphics, tweets, and radio commentary!
I have to say, I agree quite a bit with Danny. I hope none of you take this as an insult, but those of us who work so closely with these student-athletes and coaches do get a bit oversensitive about criticism of them. We see the hard work behind the scenes and we know and care about them as people. So, when several fans were heckling our own players during and after the game on Tuesday, I was really upset. I know one player in particular who was extremely hurt a week earlier by some really rude and obnoxious things that were shouted at him. We have a good fan base at Kent State and this kind of behavior is not the norm. Having spent a great deal of time in Europe, there's part of me that loves the way fans are there. Actually, they call themselves supporters rather than fans. They have a different relationship with their teams. They may get frustrated, but they are constantly supportive and do what they can to help the team and create a home-field/court advantage during a season, even in a down year. They get excited for gameday and the chance to cheer their team no matter what, through thick and thin.
There are some really good young men on this men's basketball team who could benefit from that kind of relationship with the fan base. I enjoy being around these players. Support from fans can help them get through a slump or a stretch when they are struggling with confidence. That positive gameday environment also helps in recruiting. Kids want to play at a place where fans are into the game – even an ugly game – and do what they can to pull the team out of a bad stretch.
Anyway, sorry about getting up on the soapbox. I'm a Kent State employee, but I've spent my entire life here, going to games with my father starting at around age 3. I care about the men's basketball program, but I also care about the people who make up the program, and I'd love to see the fans to have more of a symbiotic relationship with an understanding that they really can make a difference in a very positive way.
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01-12-2017 12:04 PM
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(01-12-2017 08:06 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  Burden said, "I continue to think that Senderoff did fix many of the problems with the club when he took over and the team would have blown up if he didn't take the helm." Interesting. I never heard that before. I wish he would explain. All I know is that Coach Senderoff has not done as well as the previous four coaches, particularly against MAC opponents and especially their main rival, Akron. Maybe most important, they just don't look good most of the time. Recruiting? Coaching? I just don't know.

That was bopol who said that. I too would be interested in what he meant.
01-12-2017 12:09 PM
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