(01-12-2017 11:42 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Luther and Calvin would take the Catholic Church over those mega churches any day.

Just my opinion.

And probably a pretty accurate one. I'm not a fan of the "mega church" model at all. But there are some large congregations that I would not classify as a mega church.

My Church started to outgrow the building so we decided, rather than one giant congregation, to open a couple of satellite sites. The sites have their own eldership and ministry leaders but they share a preaching pastor and pastorship.

(01-13-2017 10:44 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:42 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Luther and Calvin would take the Catholic Church over those mega churches any day.

Just my opinion.

And probably a pretty accurate one. I'm not a fan of the "mega church" model at all. But there are some large congregations that I would not classify as a mega church.

My Church started to outgrow the building so we decided, rather than one giant congregation, to open a couple of satellite sites. The sites have their own eldership and ministry leaders but they share a preaching pastor and pastorship.

I think they are talking about the non-denominational, prosperity churches.

Houston does has Lakewood (Joel Osteen) with 30,000 members. It also has 2nd Baptist with 20,000 members, First United Methodist with about 15,000 members, Windsor Village United Methodist (predominately Black) with about 15,000 members and a number of other large churches. Our Methodist church had 8,000 members.

I would immediately leave this church as a member.

(01-13-2017 12:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I would immediately leave this church as a member.

Chances are if they are here, then the time to leave was some years ago.

(01-13-2017 08:00 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 05:15 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 03:20 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:02 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  They don't matter in terms of individual salvation.

Are you kidding me?

You folks are so short-sighted.

You are free to believe whatever you choose to believe, but the bible is crystal clear on how to be saved. Its the most baisc and easiest doctrine in the bible to understand.


Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Act 16:31
"Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Ephesians 2:8
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God."

Romans 11:16
"But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

Romans 3:24
"being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;"

Romans 5:1
"therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"

Galatians 2:16
"nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."

Galatians 3:14
"in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."

Romans 3:28
"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Romans 9:30
"What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Act 10:43
"Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

Romans 9:32
Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,


We are not talking about half hearted or lukewarm faith, but TRUE, LIVING FAITH, daily. TRUE and living faith will bear fruits and good works for all to see. There is no such thing as true faith without bearing fruit and good works. If you truly believe, you will seek and follow His will.

I've posted again and again a plethora of Scripture that refutes the 500-year old, man-made heresy of Sola Fide. You continually choose to completely dismiss them or simply don't read them. There's no point to me doing it again when I'm talking to a brick wall.

So let me get this strait, you are going to prove that the bible is not to be followed or not the word of God by.......POSTING BIBLE SCRIPTURE.

Sounds legit

If you could refute the scriptures I gave concerning salvation, you already would have here and in past threads.

As Christ said while rebuking Satan with scripture ..."It is written...".

(01-13-2017 11:56 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 10:44 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:42 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Luther and Calvin would take the Catholic Church over those mega churches any day.

Just my opinion.

And probably a pretty accurate one. I'm not a fan of the "mega church" model at all. But there are some large congregations that I would not classify as a mega church.

My Church started to outgrow the building so we decided, rather than one giant congregation, to open a couple of satellite sites. The sites have their own eldership and ministry leaders but they share a preaching pastor and pastorship.

I think they are talking about the non-denominational, prosperity churches.

Houston does has Lakewood (Joel Osteen) with 30,000 members. It also has 2nd Baptist with 20,000 members, First United Methodist with about 15,000 members, Windsor Village United Methodist (predominately Black) with about 15,000 members and a number of other large churches. Our Methodist church had 8,000 members.

"Prosperity gospel" is what most are referring to it as now. Its also bled its way into some of the denominations and seems to be growing. The entire focus is on worldly success in life.

You can hear a hour long sermon and never her the Gospel or Christ mentioned the entire time.

My pastor gave a great speech on the prosperity gospel... Someone got ahold of it and made a youtube video..

I've posted it here before but I will again because it's the best brief slapdown of it i've heard.

(01-13-2017 07:05 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 08:00 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 05:15 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 03:20 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:02 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  They don't matter in terms of individual salvation.

Are you kidding me?

You folks are so short-sighted.

You are free to believe whatever you choose to believe, but the bible is crystal clear on how to be saved. Its the most baisc and easiest doctrine in the bible to understand.


Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Act 16:31
"Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Ephesians 2:8
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God."

Romans 11:16
"But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

Romans 3:24
"being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;"

Romans 5:1
"therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"

Galatians 2:16
"nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."

Galatians 3:14
"in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."

Romans 3:28
"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Romans 9:30
"What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Act 10:43
"Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

Romans 9:32
Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,


We are not talking about half hearted or lukewarm faith, but TRUE, LIVING FAITH, daily. TRUE and living faith will bear fruits and good works for all to see. There is no such thing as true faith without bearing fruit and good works. If you truly believe, you will seek and follow His will.

I've posted again and again a plethora of Scripture that refutes the 500-year old, man-made heresy of Sola Fide. You continually choose to completely dismiss them or simply don't read them. There's no point to me doing it again when I'm talking to a brick wall.

So let me get this strait, you are going to prove that the bible is not to be followed or not the word of God by.......POSTING BIBLE SCRIPTURE.

Sounds legit

If you could refute the scriptures I gave concerning salvation, you already would have.

As Christ said while rebuking Satan with scripture ..."It is written...".

He wrote sola fide, not sola scriptura...

(01-10-2017 01:59 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Seems weird that a gay couple would be pastoring a baptist church. I get it that not all baptist organizations are conservative, but you'd think this would be happening at at one of the mainstream protestant churches vs a baptist one.

http://religionnews.com/2017/01/09/gay-c...dc-church/

Anyone can hang a sign on a building and call their "church" baptist, thus westboro baptist church, so now there are two extremes that use the baptist name.

(01-13-2017 08:22 PM)miko33 Wrote:  He wrote sola fide, not sola scriptura...

The two cannot be separated here. Its God's Word that teaches us justification by faith alone.

Anyone can claim they have faith, but true faith produces works and fruit. There is no such thing as faith without them. If you have faith without works or fruit, then your faith is a lie. "Dead faith" the bible calls it.

True faith in Christ is like a spring of living water that cannot be contained inside you, it will burst forth, bearing fruit and works.

(01-13-2017 08:05 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  My pastor gave a great speech on the prosperity gospel... Someone got ahold of it and made a youtube video..

I've posted it here before but I will again because it's the best brief slapdown of it i've heard.

Excellent short vid. Here is another one:





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For the United Methodist Church, when the split comes, things will truly get interesting. The UMC owns all the church property directly. Dividing the porperty will become a heated issue.

(01-14-2017 05:16 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  For the United Methodist Church, when the split comes, things will truly get interesting. The UMC owns all the church property directly. Dividing the porperty will become a heated issue.

Episcopal/Anglican church has been dealing with this for years. Actually have some court rulings going both ways.

(01-13-2017 08:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 01:59 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Seems weird that a gay couple would be pastoring a baptist church. I get it that not all baptist organizations are conservative, but you'd think this would be happening at at one of the mainstream protestant churches vs a baptist one.

http://religionnews.com/2017/01/09/gay-c...dc-church/

Anyone can hang a sign on a building and call their "church" baptist, thus westboro baptist church, so now there are two extremes that use the baptist name.

Baptists are notorious for splitting. I've seen tiny towns with 2 Southern Baptist churches, a Free Will Baptist church and a Primitive Baptist church.

(01-14-2017 05:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 08:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 01:59 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Seems weird that a gay couple would be pastoring a baptist church. I get it that not all baptist organizations are conservative, but you'd think this would be happening at at one of the mainstream protestant churches vs a baptist one.

http://religionnews.com/2017/01/09/gay-c...dc-church/

Anyone can hang a sign on a building and call their "church" baptist, thus westboro baptist church, so now there are two extremes that use the baptist name.

Baptists are notorious for splitting. I've seen tiny towns with 2 Southern Baptist churches, a Free Will Baptist church and a Primitive Baptist church.

How about Original Free Will Baptists?