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If you're worried about not getting part of JMU's 4k allotment in Frisco if we matched up against a Montana or NDSU, I suggest you join the Duke Club. I believe all DC members were able to get our school allotment, but then again, that was with 7k available tickets thanks to YSU's returned amount.

You could also buy in August and resell if we don't go. The problem is you have to be quick and ready because NDSU fans will also be competing with you for those preseason tickets. I doubt most of them would give up on buying them after just one year of not making it.
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(01-10-2017 05:46 PM)Potomac Wrote:  If you're worried about not getting part of JMU's 4k allotment in Frisco if we matched up against a Montana or NDSU, I suggest you join the Duke Club. I believe all DC members were able to get our school allotment, but then again, that was with 7k available tickets thanks to YSU's returned amount.

You could also buy in August and resell if we don't go. The problem is you have to be quick and ready because NDSU fans will also be competing with you for those preseason tickets. I doubt most of them would give up on buying them after just one year of not making it.

But if JMU and NDSU don't make it (chance that happens) then you'd be f*cked. Would likely be eating what you spent on those tickets.
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(01-10-2017 05:36 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 02:17 PM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  I've been vocal about FBS but I'll also give credit where credit is due...

Here are the CUSA Bowl games and their ratings:

UTSA vs New Mexico - 1.39
Southern Miss vs. ULL - 1.33
WKU vs. Memphis - 1.58
LA Tech vs. Navy - 2.34
ODU vs. E. Michigan - 1.37
MTSU vs. Hawaii - 1.35
North Texas vs. Army - 1.61

We out drew 4 of their 7 games. The three we didn't outdraw: one featured the conference champion (WKU), one featured a top 25 team (Navy), and one...well I don't really know why anyone watched Army vs. North Texas. Outdrew eight bowl games overall. Much more impressive than years past.

Weren't all of these games on ESPN also, not ESPN2? The FCS title game would've touched 2M viewers if it had been put on the same network.

Yes, they were all on ESPN.

(Different audiences, but SpongeBob reruns and whatever nonsense HGTV had on also had more viewers than the game.)
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(01-10-2017 06:11 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 05:46 PM)Potomac Wrote:  If you're worried about not getting part of JMU's 4k allotment in Frisco if we matched up against a Montana or NDSU, I suggest you join the Duke Club. I believe all DC members were able to get our school allotment, but then again, that was with 7k available tickets thanks to YSU's returned amount.

You could also buy in August and resell if we don't go. The problem is you have to be quick and ready because NDSU fans will also be competing with you for those preseason tickets. I doubt most of them would give up on buying them after just one year of not making it.

But if JMU and NDSU don't make it (chance that happens) then you'd be f*cked. Would likely be eating what you spent on those tickets.


Montana too, but yeah, that's the risk in the situation. Any other Fcs programs in it and you'd have to at minimum sell well below face value and probably eat the tickets even.
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(01-10-2017 04:49 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  I have never enjoyed a season as much as this one. 2008 was close, but we didn't win it all. I compare our season to ODU's. They had a very good year. Very good. And, what is their reward? Playing Eastern Michigan in a crap Bowl in the Bahamas. It probably cost them money to go.

I just don't think it will ever get any better than the season we just had if we move up. We become Bowl eligible with 5 or 6 wins and play one extra game. Big deal.

We played 4 extra games and won the National Championship. We had about 12,000 fans at Frisco. I bet we wouldn't have had two or three thousand at ODU's Bowl game. Seeing that sea of purple and the all time number of streamers at Frisco will always happen when we are playing for a National Championship.

I believe our high ratings is directly linked to the power of facebook. Word was out there in facebook land to watch the game. And, it worked.

No offense to ODU, but they were a mediocre team in an awful conference. Which is why they got a 6-6 MAC team in a foreign tropical country. We destroyed them last year and beat them badly this year.

But cut them slack, they've been in the FBS for 3? Seasons. I highly doubt their 3rd year will be "as good as it gets".

You guys have a great passionate fan base, huge funding, a fantastic football program and most importantly, you're ******* good. You are vastly different from the average FCS school and deserve to take the next step. As an App fan, I loved the FCS but was done with it. We'd won it 3x and I felt like there was nothing to look forward to.

I wanted a new challenge and new excitement. Not to say the move isnt scary or that I don't miss what made the FCS fun, but that's part of the excitement. There are no guarantees! We might have made the worst mistake ever. But what was the result...come back to FCS?

We finished 36 in the USA Today polls. 36th best team in FBS. Hosted MIAMI in BOONE (still sounds ridiculous) and we host Wake Forest next year.
I can't believe how fun the last 3 seasons has been.

But I'm excited to see where we can go and what new things we can do. That's the excitement I get to look forward to. The unknown and the unlimited ceiling.

You are one step away from hosting Virginia Tech or UVA in Harrisonburg as opposed to NC A&T or Howard. I'd argue the former are closer peer institutions to you than the latter. Y'all need to move up so you can stop being my favorite FCS Team and start being someone I hate again. You're too good not to.

Congrats on the Championship. You guys looked awesome out there.

Also I'm sorry for bringing this up again. I know you guys have beat it to death.
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(01-10-2017 06:46 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 06:11 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 05:46 PM)Potomac Wrote:  If you're worried about not getting part of JMU's 4k allotment in Frisco if we matched up against a Montana or NDSU, I suggest you join the Duke Club. I believe all DC members were able to get our school allotment, but then again, that was with 7k available tickets thanks to YSU's returned amount.

You could also buy in August and resell if we don't go. The problem is you have to be quick and ready because NDSU fans will also be competing with you for those preseason tickets. I doubt most of them would give up on buying them after just one year of not making it.

But if JMU and NDSU don't make it (chance that happens) then you'd be f*cked. Would likely be eating what you spent on those tickets.


Montana too, but yeah, that's the risk in the situation. Any other Fcs programs in it and you'd have to at minimum sell well below face value and probably eat the tickets even.

It would be nice if Duke Club members could find out where their Frisco tickets were within the JMU allotment. In other words, if their tickets were within the 1st 4 thousand given out they probably, could get allotment tickets if it was a 2017 JMU/NDSU NC. If not, then purchasing in Aug would be something to consider.
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I tuned into the FBS championship and started watching the tape of the FCS Championship game during the half (I was in Frisco for the game). I know that you are not supposed to juxtapose FCS and FBS championships- completely differently leagues but I think it's relevant when speaking of ratings and JMU moving up.

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Ratings- why people continue to ignore the quarter and semi final ESPN2 coverage for JMU in addition to the championship I'll never understand- it's probably because it blows away their argument that FBS provides more exposure. JMU participated in 3 games on 3 separate weeks where the aggregate ratings were over 3M. Only La Tech who played in the CUSA championship game and then played Navy in a Bowl game matched JMU's exposure. It's reasonable to think that JMU with the coaching staff and roster coming back will be a favorite to get a high seed and make another deep playoff run next year. With our track record at ESPN I would expect that JMU will get at least 2 if not 3 ESPN2 games again next year. No FBS G5 (MAC, CUSA, and Sun Belt) school can really guarantee that type of exposure next year between conference championship and Bowl games.

Being the best- I aspire for JMU to be the best too but watching Alabama Clemson last night do these CUSA schools really feel like they can compete at that level ? I watched App State host Miami in Boone- nice home game- it looked like JMU at UNC to me in terms of the level of competition on the field. I have a lot of respect for the App State program but I'd argue JMU was actually more competitive with UNC than App State was with Miami and that's against an average Miami team.

There is aspiring to be the best and then there is reality. The Western Michigan coach railed against the idea of a P5 championship game (I want to compete for National Championships) and then a few weeks later left for the Minnesota job. The atmosphere and competition level at the FCS Championship is superior to the lesser/also ran bowls that these G5 schools and their fan bases are so excited about. Are the players more excited about saying that they won the 2016 Bahamas Bowl or that they won a D1 Championship? 15-20 years from now will ODU reassemble the Bahamas Bowl championship team and bring them out at halftime onto the field or induct them into their Hall of Fame? I don't think so.

In basketball I can see how/why mid majors can aspire to actually make the Final Four and even cut the nets down. In Football I'm just having a hard time seeing it. I think JMU would be better off dominating FCS and winning championships unless the system changes. You want to tell me everyone good has left FCS so what's a title really worth with no App State, Georgia Southern, Marshall, ODU, etc. I hear you- but I'd counter with what's an FBS mid tier Bowl win really worth without a Championship trophy? Maybe if you are lucky and you go Bowling in Hawaii- a ceremonial Leis?
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(01-10-2017 06:46 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 06:11 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 05:46 PM)Potomac Wrote:  If you're worried about not getting part of JMU's 4k allotment in Frisco if we matched up against a Montana or NDSU, I suggest you join the Duke Club. I believe all DC members were able to get our school allotment, but then again, that was with 7k available tickets thanks to YSU's returned amount.

You could also buy in August and resell if we don't go. The problem is you have to be quick and ready because NDSU fans will also be competing with you for those preseason tickets. I doubt most of them would give up on buying them after just one year of not making it.

But if JMU and NDSU don't make it (chance that happens) then you'd be f*cked. Would likely be eating what you spent on those tickets.


Montana too, but yeah, that's the risk in the situation. Any other Fcs programs in it and you'd have to at minimum sell well below face value and probably eat the tickets even.

Othe flip side, how expensive could tickets really get if it turns out to be NDSU v. JMU next year? $100? $150? I can't imagine much higher. It certainly won't be anywhere near the $2k people were supposedly paying for Bama Clemson.
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(01-10-2017 11:46 PM)White Hall Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 06:46 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 06:11 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 05:46 PM)Potomac Wrote:  If you're worried about not getting part of JMU's 4k allotment in Frisco if we matched up against a Montana or NDSU, I suggest you join the Duke Club. I believe all DC members were able to get our school allotment, but then again, that was with 7k available tickets thanks to YSU's returned amount.

You could also buy in August and resell if we don't go. The problem is you have to be quick and ready because NDSU fans will also be competing with you for those preseason tickets. I doubt most of them would give up on buying them after just one year of not making it.

But if JMU and NDSU don't make it (chance that happens) then you'd be f*cked. Would likely be eating what you spent on those tickets.


Montana too, but yeah, that's the risk in the situation. Any other Fcs programs in it and you'd have to at minimum sell well below face value and probably eat the tickets even.

Othe flip side, how expensive could tickets really get if it turns out to be NDSU v. JMU next year? $100? $150? I can't imagine much higher. It certainly won't be anywhere near the $2k people were supposedly paying for Bama Clemson.

During the peak, some tickets went for more than $150 this year. There were seat listings at $1000+ though I'm skeptical any sold that high.

The real issue next year if its NDSU v JMU is that seats outside our 4k block won't be available period. The Bison buy every single one 5 minutes after they go on sale (which also frustrates local neutral Frisco fans). In a JMU v NDSU game, it will be 75% Bison unless a ton of JMU fans surprise me and buy tix in August. I plan to do that, not because I wouldn't get them from JMU, but because I don't want to see us in YSU's position next year fan wise.

Also, what I expect would happen in this scenario is a lot of DC members would get tickets, but less than they want (eg: limit of 2 or 4 seats). We were very lucky with the ticket allocation this year, and I doubt it would play out again that way.
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(01-10-2017 05:05 PM)Dukes1825 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:38 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  Weather had entire east coast shut down & it was -20 in Midwest, but nice to see fcs title game keep rising!!!!

just think if they had it at 7pm!

NDSU/SDSU quarterfinal game set the FCS record with 1.98 million this year by the way.

False.

App St and Montana in 2009 had 2.54.

It doesn't appear false (unless App St and Montana was televised by a station other than ESPN). http://www.espn.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=18445120
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Obviously I'm not sure on its legitimacy but I did see this. They tried to link up the ratings article but it no longer does.

http://www.appfans.com/2009/12/20/more-o...v-ratings/
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I wonder how many people would be at a NDSU JMU game at FedEx field if they put that together.

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That would be a great game and atmosphere. I'd assume it would fall short of the WVU turnout.

The new D.C. United stadium will hold 20,000
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They should count DVR re-watches! Ratings would go up exponentially. I watched the NDSU game 4 times already and the YSU once since I got home.
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i've watched the NDSU game 3 times...the YSU game once, and skipped through most of the 2nd half.

let's be real, that 2nd half was pretty boring. the outcome was never in doubt.
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(01-11-2017 10:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i've watched the NDSU game 3 times...the YSU game once, and skipped through most of the 2nd half.

let's be real, that 2nd half was pretty boring. the outcome was never in doubt.

The 2nd half in our group basically was the countdown to the rushing of the field.
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(01-11-2017 01:44 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 11:46 PM)White Hall Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 06:46 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 06:11 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 05:46 PM)Potomac Wrote:  If you're worried about not getting part of JMU's 4k allotment in Frisco if we matched up against a Montana or NDSU, I suggest you join the Duke Club. I believe all DC members were able to get our school allotment, but then again, that was with 7k available tickets thanks to YSU's returned amount.

You could also buy in August and resell if we don't go. The problem is you have to be quick and ready because NDSU fans will also be competing with you for those preseason tickets. I doubt most of them would give up on buying them after just one year of not making it.

But if JMU and NDSU don't make it (chance that happens) then you'd be f*cked. Would likely be eating what you spent on those tickets.


Montana too, but yeah, that's the risk in the situation. Any other Fcs programs in it and you'd have to at minimum sell well below face value and probably eat the tickets even.

Othe flip side, how expensive could tickets really get if it turns out to be NDSU v. JMU next year? $100? $150? I can't imagine much higher. It certainly won't be anywhere near the $2k people were supposedly paying for Bama Clemson.

During the peak, some tickets went for more than $150 this year. There were seat listings at $1000+ though I'm skeptical any sold that high.

The real issue next year if its NDSU v JMU is that seats outside our 4k block won't be available period. The Bison buy every single one 5 minutes after they go on sale (which also frustrates local neutral Frisco fans). In a JMU v NDSU game, it will be 75% Bison unless a ton of JMU fans surprise me and buy tix in August. I plan to do that, not because I wouldn't get them from JMU, but because I don't want to see us in YSU's position next year fan wise.

Also, what I expect would happen in this scenario is a lot of DC members would get tickets, but less than they want (eg: limit of 2 or 4 seats). We were very lucky with the ticket allocation this year, and I doubt it would play out again that way.

I wonder how accurate that is, NDSU fans buying up all the available tix in August. I went to the NCAA secondary market to check on tix pretty much as soon as JMU/NDSU game was over and I seem to recall seeing a lot of tix available (at face value). Unless the NDSU fans were very pro-active in listing their tix, this may be more hype than reality. I don't doubt NDSU fans bought tix in August, I'm just not sure I believe they bought all of the available ones.
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(01-11-2017 11:59 AM)White Hall Wrote:  I wonder how accurate that is, NDSU fans buying up all the available tix in August. I went to the NCAA secondary market to check on tix pretty much as soon as JMU/NDSU game was over and I seem to recall seeing a lot of tix available (at face value). Unless the NDSU fans were very pro-active in listing their tix, this may be more hype than reality. I don't doubt NDSU fans bought tix in August, I'm just not sure I believe they bought all of the available ones.
I would guess some tickets were purchased by enterprising resellers who are banking on the fact the Bison were going to win in hopes to make some $$$. As soon as the Bison lost they probably put them out there at face value expecting a lower demand and wanting to be first in line to get rid of their tickets. JMU demand probably turned out to be similar to NDSU demand, but somewhat less since there were many tickets available on game day and more empty seats than past years. But JMU definitely represented themselves as well as any team in recent history not named NDSU.
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(01-11-2017 11:59 AM)White Hall Wrote:  
(01-11-2017 01:44 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 11:46 PM)White Hall Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 06:46 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 06:11 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  But if JMU and NDSU don't make it (chance that happens) then you'd be f*cked. Would likely be eating what you spent on those tickets.


Montana too, but yeah, that's the risk in the situation. Any other Fcs programs in it and you'd have to at minimum sell well below face value and probably eat the tickets even.

Othe flip side, how expensive could tickets really get if it turns out to be NDSU v. JMU next year? $100? $150? I can't imagine much higher. It certainly won't be anywhere near the $2k people were supposedly paying for Bama Clemson.

During the peak, some tickets went for more than $150 this year. There were seat listings at $1000+ though I'm skeptical any sold that high.

The real issue next year if its NDSU v JMU is that seats outside our 4k block won't be available period. The Bison buy every single one 5 minutes after they go on sale (which also frustrates local neutral Frisco fans). In a JMU v NDSU game, it will be 75% Bison unless a ton of JMU fans surprise me and buy tix in August. I plan to do that, not because I wouldn't get them from JMU, but because I don't want to see us in YSU's position next year fan wise.

Also, what I expect would happen in this scenario is a lot of DC members would get tickets, but less than they want (eg: limit of 2 or 4 seats). We were very lucky with the ticket allocation this year, and I doubt it would play out again that way.

I wonder how accurate that is, NDSU fans buying up all the available tix in August. I went to the NCAA secondary market to check on tix pretty much as soon as JMU/NDSU game was over and I seem to recall seeing a lot of tix available (at face value). Unless the NDSU fans were very pro-active in listing their tix, this may be more hype than reality. I don't doubt NDSU fans bought tix in August, I'm just not sure I believe they bought all of the available ones.

I am 100% certain of this. Had some great conversations with a couple of local Frisco football fans who told me they tried to buy seats directly from NCAA. They called to buy tickets five minutes after they went on sale, and were told all available seats had been purchased online. If you look at NDSU forum, they are already booking hotel rooms now.

Suppose it is possible a few seats go to folks other than Bison fans, but they definitely sell out in minutes, and the vast majority go to them.

BTW: Was also profusely thanked that we beat the Bison, at least some of the locals don't care for them "acting like they own the town", and their "damn horn hats that block everyones view"
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BTW: Was also profusely thanked that we beat the Bison, at least some of the locals don't care for them "acting like they own the town", and their "damn horn hats that block everyones view"
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Funny, the front desk lady at our hotel and a bartender said basically the same thing, that this years championship visitors have been the greatest in many years.
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