http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...op-25-2017

2. FSU
5. Clemson
16. Miami
18. Louisville
22. Pitt
24. Virginia Tech

Good showing for the league, should be a good year next year as well.

It's good that the ACC cashed in like they did this year. I think they might be on the outside looking in next year. Clemson probably steps back just a bit, and I don't think the second tier teams like Miami, Louisville, VT etc are ready to step of to playoff contention.

No doubt FSU is loaded, but they've got that Alabama game staring them in the face. If they don't upset Alabama, then they've got to run the conference schedule + Florida, and that's a tough ask.

If FSU beats Alabama though...different story. With that scalp, and a loss to play with, then they'll be in good shape.

(01-10-2017 10:45 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  It's good that the ACC cashed in like they did this year. I think they might be on the outside looking in next year. Clemson probably steps back just a bit, and I don't think the second tier teams like Miami, Louisville, VT etc are ready to step of to playoff contention.

No doubt FSU is loaded, but they've got that Alabama game staring them in the face. If they don't upset Alabama, then they've got to run the conference schedule + Florida, and that's a tough ask.

If FSU beats Alabama though...different story. With that scalp, and a loss to play with, then they'll be in good shape.

I like our chances...Francois will be throwing strikes. Alabama has been a juggernaut, but they've ALWAYS been a little weak against a good passing game.

Watson has racked up lots of yards against those crushing Bama defenses. Francois will do the same

(01-10-2017 10:38 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...op-25-2017

2. FSU
5. Clemson
16. Miami
18. Louisville
22. Pitt
24. Virginia Tech

Good showing for the league, should be a good year next year as well.

And Syracuse will play the first five on that list plus #15 LSU.

Orange fans like me will be in for another long football season - loving the competition but knowing we aren't at that level yet.

Cheers,
Neil

(01-10-2017 02:02 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 10:38 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...op-25-2017

2. FSU
5. Clemson
16. Miami
18. Louisville
22. Pitt
24. Virginia Tech

Good showing for the league, should be a good year next year as well.

And Syracuse will play the first five on that list plus #15 LSU.

Orange fans like me will be in for another long football season - loving the competition but knowing we aren't at that level yet.

Cheers,
Neil

Syracuse needs to schedule some easy wins OOC until they get some kind of footing with the program....don't schedule freakin LSU when you have FSU and Clemson on the schedule. Go light....like Purdue or someone. Iowa State or Kansas...Vandy!

(01-10-2017 03:23 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 02:02 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 10:38 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...op-25-2017

2. FSU
5. Clemson
16. Miami
18. Louisville
22. Pitt
24. Virginia Tech

Good showing for the league, should be a good year next year as well.

And Syracuse will play the first five on that list plus #15 LSU.

Orange fans like me will be in for another long football season - loving the competition but knowing we aren't at that level yet.

Cheers,
Neil

Syracuse needs to schedule some easy wins OOC until they get some kind of footing with the program....don't schedule freakin LSU when you have FSU and Clemson on the schedule. Go light....like Purdue or someone. Iowa State or Kansas...Vandy!

Coach Babers hears you, but the LSU games were scheduled prior to his arrival. Right now, out of conference we should probably stick with UConn, Rutgers, Maryland, MAC programs and of course ND when part of that rotation.

Cheers,
Neil

Lou has often made the point that some of the more bball schools in the conference have a bad tendency to overschedule in football and schedule too many certain Ls. (UVA, Syracuse in the example above).

It is a problem. I think we have some bball ADs not knowing how to grow the football program.

(01-11-2017 10:09 AM)nole Wrote:  Lou has often made the point that some of the more bball schools in the conference have a bad tendency to overschedule in football and schedule too many certain Ls. (UVA, Syracuse in the example above).

It is a problem. I think we have some bball ADs not knowing how to grow the football program.

I actually agreed with Lou's overall point, but disagreed when he appeared to include Maryland in that list of opponents we shouldn't schedule. He later clarified his point by saying that it was both ND and Maryland in the same year he was referring to and that it should be one of them but not both - which is kind of hard to control sometimes, but understood his point then.

From all the statements our current AD and Coach have made, I think we will see Syracuse go in that direction. Our PSU series was cancelled, but I think that had more to do with the B1G going to a 9 game schedule than us making a decision to end it.

Besides ND, the only big-time program on our future opponents list that I can think of is Wisconsin, scheduled in 2020 and 2021. We have games scheduled against Maryland, Connecticut, and a 4 game series against Army. Rutgers former Coach Flood previously nixed a deal with us, but now with a new coach and AD perhaps that series will be scheduled in the future.

Cheers,
Neil

(01-11-2017 10:09 AM)nole Wrote:  Lou has often made the point that some of the more bball schools in the conference have a bad tendency to overschedule in football and schedule too many certain Ls. (UVA, Syracuse in the example above).

It is a problem. I think we have some bball ADs not knowing how to grow the football program.

SU hasn't had a bball AD.

Doc was hired bc of hiring Pete Carroll at USC. The next guy was hired because he was AD at BSU. The current guy was an ESPN exec.

(01-11-2017 10:58 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 10:09 AM)nole Wrote:  Lou has often made the point that some of the more bball schools in the conference have a bad tendency to overschedule in football and schedule too many certain Ls. (UVA, Syracuse in the example above).

It is a problem. I think we have some bball ADs not knowing how to grow the football program.

SU hasn't had a bball AD.

Doc was hired bc of hiring Pete Carroll at USC. The next guy was hired because he was AD at BSU. The current guy was an ESPN exec.

Maybe it is better to say he doesn't know how to build a football program. It is a general point about overall ADs in the AD at non football schools. Too many have schedule certain Ls. They haven't done well on the scheduling front.

Of course, no one intentionally schedules a loss, but if you are scheduling a marquee opponent with the sole purpose of selling tickets, that is very short-term thinking which will hurt usually the program in the long term.

The goal should always be to go 4-0 out of conference, regardless of who you are. If you are Clemson or FSU, that means feel free to schedule Alabama. If you are Syracuse (or even VT), no.

If you need to sell tickets, schedule a geographically close G5 team. It will be a big deal for them, so lots of their fans will buy tickets. If a rivalry exists or develops, it will motivate your fans to buy them too. For Syracuse, that might include UConn or Army or even Buffalo. For VT (and any NC-based school), ECU is a good choice. VT, Pitt and Louisville can also schedule Marshall, Cincinnati, etc.

Even if you want to schedule 2 P5 home-and-home opponents, be smart about it. Syracuse should play teams like Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue and Northwestern (IMO). Those teams vary from year to year but are usually winnable games for the Orange; LSU - not so much.

I agree with Mark!^^^^

..and I do think the AD's are doing that now.
FlossY Out...

Ironically....another sure L for the ACC announced today:

Marc Weiszer ‏@marcweiszer · 37m37 minutes ago

Georgia and Virginia have signed contract to play in the Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game on Labor Day night 2020 in Atlanta, Gary Stokan confirms.

Hokie mark there are many schools in the MWC and AAC that wouldn't think playing cusa would be a " big deal "
Cusa thinks it's a big deal to be playing in the ACC is more like it
And no, to answer your next question ahead of it, no I don't want my Cougars to join any axis conference
I'll throw my hat into the new allied division and hope for the best...

(01-11-2017 03:55 PM)nole Wrote:  Ironically....another sure L for the ACC announced today:

Marc Weiszer ‏@marcweiszer · 37m37 minutes ago

Georgia and Virginia have signed contract to play in the Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game on Labor Day night 2020 in Atlanta, Gary Stokan confirms.

Ranks right up there with another recent Chick-Fil-A Kickoff "Classic":
2019 – Alabama vs. Duke (Sat., Aug. 31)

WHO THINKS THESE ARE GOOD MATCH-UPS?

Here's a MUCH more logical series:
"Rutgers and Boston College have added a 2019 and 2022 home-and-home series to a previously reported series scheduled for 2026 and 2027, Rutgers’ sports information department reported Tuesday afternoon." - FBSchedules.com

(01-11-2017 11:10 AM)nole Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 10:58 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 10:09 AM)nole Wrote:  Lou has often made the point that some of the more bball schools in the conference have a bad tendency to overschedule in football and schedule too many certain Ls. (UVA, Syracuse in the example above).

It is a problem. I think we have some bball ADs not knowing how to grow the football program.

SU hasn't had a bball AD.

Doc was hired bc of hiring Pete Carroll at USC. The next guy was hired because he was AD at BSU. The current guy was an ESPN exec.

Maybe it is better to say he doesn't know how to build a football program. It is a general point about overall ADs in the AD at non football schools. Too many have schedule certain Ls. They haven't done well on the scheduling front.

Honestly, I don't think it has much to do with that. Our so-called "basketball" ADs have rarely had a challenging out-of-conference with a lot of Blue Blood and near elite opponents.

I think it is closer to the thinking Mark was referring to. They know the crowds will come for basketball, but the football crowds have not been there in the long run and they think a marquee name will draw them. When it is truly winning that will start to bring back the crowds.

But scheduling for wins will result in bad attendance getting worse until the fans believe they are a consistent winner.

Cheers,
Neil

(01-11-2017 11:10 AM)nole Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 10:58 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 10:09 AM)nole Wrote:  Lou has often made the point that some of the more bball schools in the conference have a bad tendency to overschedule in football and schedule too many certain Ls. (UVA, Syracuse in the example above).

It is a problem. I think we have some bball ADs not knowing how to grow the football program.

SU hasn't had a bball AD.

Doc was hired bc of hiring Pete Carroll at USC. The next guy was hired because he was AD at BSU. The current guy was an ESPN exec.

Maybe it is better to say he doesn't know how to build a football program. It is a general point about overall ADs in the AD at non football schools. Too many have schedule certain Ls. They haven't done well on the scheduling front.

I think that most AD's aren't great at management and limit their FB budgets more than they should.

Also, I think that it has to do w/ KPI's. Look at SU's director cup ranking vs. football ranking since 2000.