(01-19-2017 05:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 02:25 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 01:43 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 09:33 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  How have we screwed ourselves?

Ten is a great number for football, 12 works great for Olympic sports.
AState and ULM can send Olympic sports teams to UALR with no overnight stay except in baseball where they play three straight days. ULM and Texas State can do the same with UTA.

Teams traveling to play AState or Texas State can bundle a trip to UALR or UTA in for a Friday/Saturday in volleyball, Thursday/Saturday women's hoops or Saturday/Monday in men's hoops without a second flight.

Ten is a terrible number for football unless you play nine conference games. And even then, you play an uneven amount of home and road games. 9 or 12 are optimal numbers imo.

Sun Belt will do divisions so see everyone in your division each year, see the other division teams 8 of 10 years.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that in the legislation that the Big 12 pushed for approval said that if you only had ten members you had to have both divisions and play all nine opponents?

I completely agree with you though--for football you either need 9 or 12. 9 is tricky for basketball scheduling though. I guess in an ideal world if you can't find 12 full football members you have 10 and 2 football onlys.

No you got it all mushed up.
You either have to play a full round robin and pit the top two teams -OR- play with divisions and pit the two divisional champions.

(01-19-2017 07:40 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 08:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  It is true that UALR was in the Sun Belt before the Sun Belt added football but so were Denver and UNO. The Sun Belt changed its membership requirements to force Denver out and to put UNO on notice that they had to step up the pace of restoring sports after Katrina, but the rules were crafted to leave UALR alone. Later after the two left, UALR cut tennis in a budget savings effort and fell below the Sun Belt minimum standards and were permitted to stay.

Arkansas State won't vote to expel UALR, we don't need enemies when fighting for state budget dollars. We also like the fact that we can have 1000 people at a UALR basketball game, most fans who don't get to Jonesboro often if ever during basketball season.

ULM isn't going to vote them out either, having a league opponent 175 miles away is great for their Olympic sports.

The rest of the league is fine with flying into Little Rock and then leaving out of Memphis or going back to Little Rock to fly out for the AState/UALR road swing in hoops and volleyball or if they can bus, hit both on one bus trip.

Texas Arlington helps bridge to Texas State on those Olympic sports road trips.

The geographic center of AState, ULM, Louisiana Lafayette, and Texas State is basically a spot slightly east of downtown Shreveport, LA. Little Rock is about 210 miles North, northeast of that spot and Arlington is about 215 miles west of that spot. In other words, they both fit snugly in the Sun Belt west footprint.

Several days and pages later, still no mentions this. UALR and ULM will vote however ArkState and ULL want. It is also because of voting blocks and power.

New Mexico State says that the AState/ULL voting bloc is over-rated.

(01-19-2017 09:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 07:40 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 08:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  It is true that UALR was in the Sun Belt before the Sun Belt added football but so were Denver and UNO. The Sun Belt changed its membership requirements to force Denver out and to put UNO on notice that they had to step up the pace of restoring sports after Katrina, but the rules were crafted to leave UALR alone. Later after the two left, UALR cut tennis in a budget savings effort and fell below the Sun Belt minimum standards and were permitted to stay.

Arkansas State won't vote to expel UALR, we don't need enemies when fighting for state budget dollars. We also like the fact that we can have 1000 people at a UALR basketball game, most fans who don't get to Jonesboro often if ever during basketball season.

ULM isn't going to vote them out either, having a league opponent 175 miles away is great for their Olympic sports.

The rest of the league is fine with flying into Little Rock and then leaving out of Memphis or going back to Little Rock to fly out for the AState/UALR road swing in hoops and volleyball or if they can bus, hit both on one bus trip.

Texas Arlington helps bridge to Texas State on those Olympic sports road trips.

The geographic center of AState, ULM, Louisiana Lafayette, and Texas State is basically a spot slightly east of downtown Shreveport, LA. Little Rock is about 210 miles North, northeast of that spot and Arlington is about 215 miles west of that spot. In other words, they both fit snugly in the Sun Belt west footprint.

Several days and pages later, still no mentions this. UALR and ULM will vote however ArkState and ULL want. It is also because of voting blocks and power.

New Mexico State says that the AState/ULL voting bloc is over-rated.

Very true, but as you mentioned politics come into play. Too bad for NMSU. UMass as a football only was a bad idea by the previous AD and Benson.

Could be wrong on this but CUSA has a number of teams closer than any Sunbelt team.

Marshall, ODU, Charlotte, and now not sure about Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee. So five teams, almost a whole divisions would be closer. Not saying that CUSA is in the mix. It's AAC and would think distant MAC and CUSA. CUSA football with affiliations of BB games could be a good plan B. But don't really see it even if USM or Rice back filled a departed AAC team and UTEP left as 12 is a good number. Then again ODU could advocate for JMU and then there would be an outside chance and a sixth team closer then a single team from the Sun Belt.

(01-19-2017 12:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The Big East dynamic was that the hoop schools felt the geography and quality of play was adversely impacted and when the plan became to switch from 66% of TV revenue allocated to basketball to 70% allocated to football, things went sideways in a hurry.

If you're talking about right before the Big East-AAC split, the old Big East basketball contract brought in $32M a year, the football contract brought in about $16.7M per year. So basketball was about 66% of the revenue.

HAving 70 or 75% of the revenue allocated to football was acceptable (based on public information) when the assumption was that there was going to be a LOT of revenue. When that assumption proved false....

(01-19-2017 09:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 07:40 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 08:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  It is true that UALR was in the Sun Belt before the Sun Belt added football but so were Denver and UNO. The Sun Belt changed its membership requirements to force Denver out and to put UNO on notice that they had to step up the pace of restoring sports after Katrina, but the rules were crafted to leave UALR alone. Later after the two left, UALR cut tennis in a budget savings effort and fell below the Sun Belt minimum standards and were permitted to stay.

Arkansas State won't vote to expel UALR, we don't need enemies when fighting for state budget dollars. We also like the fact that we can have 1000 people at a UALR basketball game, most fans who don't get to Jonesboro often if ever during basketball season.

ULM isn't going to vote them out either, having a league opponent 175 miles away is great for their Olympic sports.

The rest of the league is fine with flying into Little Rock and then leaving out of Memphis or going back to Little Rock to fly out for the AState/UALR road swing in hoops and volleyball or if they can bus, hit both on one bus trip.

Texas Arlington helps bridge to Texas State on those Olympic sports road trips.

The geographic center of AState, ULM, Louisiana Lafayette, and Texas State is basically a spot slightly east of downtown Shreveport, LA. Little Rock is about 210 miles North, northeast of that spot and Arlington is about 215 miles west of that spot. In other words, they both fit snugly in the Sun Belt west footprint.

Several days and pages later, still no mentions this. UALR and ULM will vote however ArkState and ULL want. It is also because of voting blocks and power.

New Mexico State says that the AState/ULL voting bloc is over-rated.

THIS x 100.

(01-19-2017 05:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 12:18 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-16-2017 10:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'm scratching my head as to why the Sunbelt and Southland both still have two non-football schools each. Both leagues have more than 10 members which isn't optimal for basketball and their non-football members have no intention of starting the sport. To me it seems like they they just take up space and benefit from being associated with the league peers without having to make the same athletic department investments.

IMHO both leagues should boot their nonfootball members. New Orleans, Little Rock, A&M CC, and UTA can all join UTRGV and UMKC in the east division of the WAC. Seattle, Utah Valley, Cal St Bakersfield, Cal Baptist, GCU, and NMSU form the west division.

Ummm okay

We'll take that under advisement

Cool it with the sass! I made a reasonable suggestion on a message board. No need to get snippy.

Your entire premise is predicated on that maybe university presidents don't know what they are doing and should not value relationships with founding conference members. Tolerate? LOL


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(01-19-2017 08:10 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 07:40 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 08:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  It is true that UALR was in the Sun Belt before the Sun Belt added football but so were Denver and UNO. The Sun Belt changed its membership requirements to force Denver out and to put UNO on notice that they had to step up the pace of restoring sports after Katrina, but the rules were crafted to leave UALR alone. Later after the two left, UALR cut tennis in a budget savings effort and fell below the Sun Belt minimum standards and were permitted to stay.

Arkansas State won't vote to expel UALR, we don't need enemies when fighting for state budget dollars. We also like the fact that we can have 1000 people at a UALR basketball game, most fans who don't get to Jonesboro often if ever during basketball season.

ULM isn't going to vote them out either, having a league opponent 175 miles away is great for their Olympic sports.

The rest of the league is fine with flying into Little Rock and then leaving out of Memphis or going back to Little Rock to fly out for the AState/UALR road swing in hoops and volleyball or if they can bus, hit both on one bus trip.

Texas Arlington helps bridge to Texas State on those Olympic sports road trips.

The geographic center of AState, ULM, Louisiana Lafayette, and Texas State is basically a spot slightly east of downtown Shreveport, LA. Little Rock is about 210 miles North, northeast of that spot and Arlington is about 215 miles west of that spot. In other words, they both fit snugly in the Sun Belt west footprint.

Several days and pages later, still no mentions this. UALR and ULM will vote however ArkState and ULL want. It is also because of voting blocks and power.

Is the Belch voting on dropping non-football schools or the Southland of both?

Cheers!

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(01-19-2017 09:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  New Mexico State says that the AState/ULL voting bloc is over-rated.

NMSU needed a super-majority to stay in the conference ... retaining the non-BB schools only enough votes to block a super-majority.