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RE: UT boosters to go after Applewhite after Herman leaves...
(01-10-2017 03:16 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 02:44 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 02:24 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Kiffin went to F_U, Miles is still unemployed, and Orlando isn't HC material. Who would have been better?

Applewhite's buyout is structured well. It's currently 3x more than what we got for Herman. If he doesn't succeed, it dwindles to nothing. If he succeeds, it resets to a much higher amount.

1. It only resets to a higher amount, if he agrees to it.

2. Herman left after 2 years. If Applewhite leaves after 2 years the buyout is only $4.5 million. That isn't a HUGE buyout. They didn't get what they claimed was a requirement.


It would be a miracle if it happens, but if Applewhite goes 22-4 in his first two seasons, then a $4.5 million buyout isn't scaring any P5 teams away.

Your assumptions simply aren't based in reality.

If he went 22-4 after his 1st two seasons, we would have already signed him to an extension after the first year just like we did Herman, which would reset (and increase) the buyout. If he wouldn't agree to the reward of higher pay and a longer contract after 1 year, his cards are face up.

The buyout isn't designed to and never will scare bluebloods away. If they want someone bad enough, they will get them. The buyout is about getting as much money as possible in the event they come for him. Show me an AAC coach that has a higher buyout. USF fans were bragging about Strong's ~$2 million buyout.

Your assumptions are assumptions too. The next contract is negotiated just like this one. They may want to keep the same clauses in them, but everything is negotiable. His agent may propose an extension keeping the buyout at $4.5 mil for the duration. UH may agree to that, or not I don't know. Neither do you. It is all assumption.

That really ain't the point though. The point we were discussing was the likelihood of Tilman scaring off a bunch of top tier HC options by going out in front of every possible media medium to state that any coach not willing to sign a contract with a HUGE buyout need not apply. Then, turn around and accept Applewhite for what will amount to $4.5 million after two season. That isn't HUGE.

Additionally, the point of the HUGE buyout clause for Tilman was because he wanted to prevent a coach from leaving after 2 years. Not to get paid.
He said that exact thing in his interviews.
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I'm curious if we go through these discussions about how hard it's going to be to keep a new coach when every member university makes a new hire for HC or just one member?

The biggest discussion here I remember about Norvell was that cornrow pic at UCA.
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RE: UT boosters to go after Applewhite after Herman leaves...
(01-10-2017 01:58 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  I almost got the impression that they knew they had screwed up right after the announcement.

You have Tilman coming out and saying that 8 wins has gotten a coach fired before.

The stupidest thing is after the dust settled, they still didn't get the huge buyout they wanted.


They got the buy out they wanted. Its the contract amount remaining on the deal. Thats many times larger than any buyout we have had before. Its also 50% higher for any Texas based team---which are the most likley teams to try to poach a UH coach. Thats an 8 million dollar buy out at the end of next year. Thats the highest Ive ever heard at a G5 school. Frankly, based on our new DC, Im not expecting having our coach poached as being the big issue we are discussing in Dec of 2017.
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UT boosters to go after Applewhite after Herman leaves...
(01-10-2017 03:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 01:58 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  I almost got the impression that they knew they had screwed up right after the announcement.

You have Tilman coming out and saying that 8 wins has gotten a coach fired before.

The stupidest thing is after the dust settled, they still didn't get the huge buyout they wanted.


They got the buy out they wanted. Its the contract amount remaining on the deal. Thats many times larger than any buyout we have had before. Its also 50% higher for any Texas based team---which are the most likley teams to try to poach a UH coach. Thats an 8 million dollar buy out at the end of next year. Thats the highest Ive ever heard at a G5 school. Frankly, based on our new DC, Im not expecting having our coach poached as being the big issue we are discussing in Dec of 2017.

Is our defense going to be that bad next year?
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(01-10-2017 03:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 01:58 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  I almost got the impression that they knew they had screwed up right after the announcement.

You have Tilman coming out and saying that 8 wins has gotten a coach fired before.

The stupidest thing is after the dust settled, they still didn't get the huge buyout they wanted.


They got the buy out they wanted. Its the contract amount remaining on the deal. Thats many times larger than any buyout we have had before. Its also 50% higher for any Texas based team---which are the most likley teams to try to poach a UH coach. Thats an 8 million dollar buy out at the end of next year. Thats the highest Ive ever heard at a G5 school. Frankly, based on our new DC, Im not expecting having our coach poached as being the big issue we are discussing in Dec of 2017.

Is our defense going to be that bad next year?

Yes
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(01-10-2017 03:57 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 01:58 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  I almost got the impression that they knew they had screwed up right after the announcement.

You have Tilman coming out and saying that 8 wins has gotten a coach fired before.

The stupidest thing is after the dust settled, they still didn't get the huge buyout they wanted.


They got the buy out they wanted. Its the contract amount remaining on the deal. Thats many times larger than any buyout we have had before. Its also 50% higher for any Texas based team---which are the most likley teams to try to poach a UH coach. Thats an 8 million dollar buy out at the end of next year. Thats the highest Ive ever heard at a G5 school. Frankly, based on our new DC, Im not expecting having our coach poached as being the big issue we are discussing in Dec of 2017.

Is our defense going to be that bad next year?

Yes

Well dang guess ed will be asking to transfer.
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RE: UT boosters to go after Applewhite after Herman leaves...
(01-10-2017 04:03 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:57 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 01:58 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  I almost got the impression that they knew they had screwed up right after the announcement.

You have Tilman coming out and saying that 8 wins has gotten a coach fired before.

The stupidest thing is after the dust settled, they still didn't get the huge buyout they wanted.


They got the buy out they wanted. Its the contract amount remaining on the deal. Thats many times larger than any buyout we have had before. Its also 50% higher for any Texas based team---which are the most likley teams to try to poach a UH coach. Thats an 8 million dollar buy out at the end of next year. Thats the highest Ive ever heard at a G5 school. Frankly, based on our new DC, Im not expecting having our coach poached as being the big issue we are discussing in Dec of 2017.

Is our defense going to be that bad next year?

Yes

Well dang guess ed will be asking to transfer.

No
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RE: UT boosters to go after Applewhite after Herman leaves...
(01-10-2017 03:57 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 01:58 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  I almost got the impression that they knew they had screwed up right after the announcement.

You have Tilman coming out and saying that 8 wins has gotten a coach fired before.

The stupidest thing is after the dust settled, they still didn't get the huge buyout they wanted.


They got the buy out they wanted. Its the contract amount remaining on the deal. Thats many times larger than any buyout we have had before. Its also 50% higher for any Texas based team---which are the most likley teams to try to poach a UH coach. Thats an 8 million dollar buy out at the end of next year. Thats the highest Ive ever heard at a G5 school. Frankly, based on our new DC, Im not expecting having our coach poached as being the big issue we are discussing in Dec of 2017.

Is our defense going to be that bad next year?

Yes

Aw, did we not hire the guy that you (based on nothing) thought we were going to hire?
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RE: UT boosters to go after Applewhite after Herman leaves...
(01-10-2017 04:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:57 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 01:58 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  I almost got the impression that they knew they had screwed up right after the announcement.

You have Tilman coming out and saying that 8 wins has gotten a coach fired before.

The stupidest thing is after the dust settled, they still didn't get the huge buyout they wanted.


They got the buy out they wanted. Its the contract amount remaining on the deal. Thats many times larger than any buyout we have had before. Its also 50% higher for any Texas based team---which are the most likley teams to try to poach a UH coach. Thats an 8 million dollar buy out at the end of next year. Thats the highest Ive ever heard at a G5 school. Frankly, based on our new DC, Im not expecting having our coach poached as being the big issue we are discussing in Dec of 2017.

Is our defense going to be that bad next year?

Yes

Aw, did we not hire the guy that you (based on nothing) thought we were going to hire?

What are you talking about?
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(01-10-2017 04:16 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 04:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:57 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  They got the buy out they wanted. Its the contract amount remaining on the deal. Thats many times larger than any buyout we have had before. Its also 50% higher for any Texas based team---which are the most likley teams to try to poach a UH coach. Thats an 8 million dollar buy out at the end of next year. Thats the highest Ive ever heard at a G5 school. Frankly, based on our new DC, Im not expecting having our coach poached as being the big issue we are discussing in Dec of 2017.

Is our defense going to be that bad next year?

Yes

Aw, did we not hire the guy that you (based on nothing) thought we were going to hire?

What are you talking about?

Why is the defense going to be bad next year? What are you basing that on?

I'd venture to guess it's based on nothing more than the hire not meeting your personal expectations or not coming from your personal wish list.
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(01-10-2017 04:21 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 04:16 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 04:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:57 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Is our defense going to be that bad next year?

Yes

Aw, did we not hire the guy that you (based on nothing) thought we were going to hire?

What are you talking about?

Why is the defense going to be bad next year? What are you basing that on?

You do realize we are losing a lot on defense to graduation and NFL aspirations, right? Key players that will be very difficult to replace. Couple that with what will likely be a new defensive scheme to learn, and not the greatest reputation of a DC hire on top of that.

Are you saying that our defense is going to be as good? Why?


Also, was your..... "Aw, did we not hire the guy that you (based on nothing) thought we were going to hire?" ..... Some sort of attempt at talking down and shaming me for not liking the DC hire?

There is a large portion of our fan base, as you know, that are not happy with the DC hire. Do you seriously think that it is "based on nothing"?
I can see maybe trying to be optimistic, but you certainly can't say that the criticism is based on absolutely nothing.
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Is Houston going to become the official feeder school for UT now?
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(01-10-2017 04:21 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 04:16 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 04:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:57 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 03:54 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Is our defense going to be that bad next year?

Yes

Aw, did we not hire the guy that you (based on nothing) thought we were going to hire?

What are you talking about?

Why is the defense going to be bad next year? What are you basing that on?

I'd venture to guess it's based on nothing more than the hire not meeting your personal expectations or not coming from your personal wish list.

I'm quoting you again because you edited and added to the original after I replied last.

I didn't have a favorite, or a specific coach that I wanted.

Do I think we made a good DC hire? No, I don't.

We did hire about what I thought we would though. I was hopeful.
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(01-10-2017 04:43 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Is Houston going to become the official feeder school for UT now?

We will be lucky if we dont become the next tulane for years....
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(01-10-2017 05:06 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 04:43 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Is Houston going to become the official feeder school for UT now?

We will be lucky if we dont become the next tulane for years....

I'm 100% not agreeing with your post here ^^^

1. Applewhite hasn't even had a full season under his belt yet

2. Houston with it's old football stadium was still attracting good enough head coaches and recruits... Guess what?!? That old stadium has been demolished and we now have a sexy new one.

3. Last I heard The University Of Houston still remain in Houston. Lots of good recruits will still come our direction.

I could go on but what the hell for... If Houston has a bad year so be it, everyone has them. In football, Houston knows how to bounce back and we will.

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(01-10-2017 05:35 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 05:06 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 04:43 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Is Houston going to become the official feeder school for UT now?

We will be lucky if we dont become the next tulane for years....

I'm 100% not agreeing with your post here ^^^

1. Applewhite hasn't even had a full season under his belt yet

2. Houston with it's old football stadium was still attracting good enough head coaches and recruits... Guess what?!? That old stadium has been demolished and we now have a sexy new one.

3. Last I heard The University Of Houston still remain in Houston. Lots of good recruits will still come our direction.

I could go on but what the hell for... If Houston has a bad year so be it, everyone has them. In football, Houston knows how to bounce back and we will.

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Well so far we are not attracting any good recruits we are losing them. Even you said that.
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(01-10-2017 05:37 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 05:35 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 05:06 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 04:43 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Is Houston going to become the official feeder school for UT now?

We will be lucky if we dont become the next tulane for years....

I'm 100% not agreeing with your post here ^^^

1. Applewhite hasn't even had a full season under his belt yet

2. Houston with it's old football stadium was still attracting good enough head coaches and recruits... Guess what?!? That old stadium has been demolished and we now have a sexy new one.

3. Last I heard The University Of Houston still remain in Houston. Lots of good recruits will still come our direction.

I could go on but what the hell for... If Houston has a bad year so be it, everyone has them. In football, Houston knows how to bounce back and we will.

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Well so far we are not attracting any good recruits we are losing them. Even you said that.

I know I did... But I also know that this is a football State and The University Of Houston knows far to well what it must do under poor results.
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(01-10-2017 05:41 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
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(01-10-2017 05:35 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 05:06 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(01-10-2017 04:43 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Is Houston going to become the official feeder school for UT now?

We will be lucky if we dont become the next tulane for years....

I'm 100% not agreeing with your post here ^^^

1. Applewhite hasn't even had a full season under his belt yet

2. Houston with it's old football stadium was still attracting good enough head coaches and recruits... Guess what?!? That old stadium has been demolished and we now have a sexy new one.

3. Last I heard The University Of Houston still remain in Houston. Lots of good recruits will still come our direction.

I could go on but what the hell for... If Houston has a bad year so be it, everyone has them. In football, Houston knows how to bounce back and we will.

Go Coogs 04-rock

Well so far we are not attracting any good recruits we are losing them. Even you said that.

I know I did... But I also know that this is a football State and The University Of Houston knows far to well what it must do under poor results.

Well on that note lets hope the fix it quick because its not looking good right now.
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I keep pointing at our sexy new football stadium and other outstanding facility upgrades for not drowning quickly as before.
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(01-10-2017 06:08 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I keep pointing at our sexy new football stadium and other outstanding facility upgrades for not drowning quickly as before.

Im excited for the IPF that is something we really needed. Im just surprised it took this long to get one.
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