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RE: if Sun Belt were to expand, what's your ideal result?
(03-29-2017 12:34 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 12:22 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 12:01 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 11:10 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 06:38 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  I just threw up a little bit. We might as well just drop back down to FCS as a conference

I don't like but accept the reasoning behind the idea that the Sun Belt is better off with 10 football schools. But if you guys kick out a school that went bowling last year and is about to go again this year and then turn around and call up FCS schools you all need your heads examined.

Relocate your school to Mississippi and your back in the conference. Until then, nothing you say changes the fact you are in western Idaho, and that is to far out of the footprint. Sorry.

I didn't make the argument in this post that the conference should keep Idaho (although it should). I'm just saying that the Belt booted two schools largely because the CFP payouts are now structured to discourage G5 conferences larger than 10 teams unless those extra teams are pulling their weight on the field, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to add FCS schools.

You can make the argument that booting Idaho and not replacing them is a good financial move. But if you toss Idaho, which is currently producing results on the field and made the conference 7 figures last year, in favor of an unproven FCS team you're doing something that hurts your bottom line.

I don't think anyone right now is realistically talking football expansion. But in the long run, and that is what we need to be talking about, a "local" FCS team called up now, may hurt short term compared to what Idaho is currently doing, which is something you have never proven you can sustain, can be more benefit in the long run with rivalries.

I hate you guys are being UAb'd, getting the rug pulled out as soon as you show progress. And hopefully you guys have a UAb ending. But your administration seems against it and not sure there are enough people in Moscow to change their minds.

That's probably a "fer shure" with the G5's. Frankly, our 10-team conference setup is likely an envy of at least most of the other G5's I'd wager.
03-29-2017 02:50 PM
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RE: if Sun Belt were to expand, what's your ideal result?
(03-29-2017 02:50 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 12:34 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 12:22 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 12:01 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 11:10 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  I don't like but accept the reasoning behind the idea that the Sun Belt is better off with 10 football schools. But if you guys kick out a school that went bowling last year and is about to go again this year and then turn around and call up FCS schools you all need your heads examined.

Relocate your school to Mississippi and your back in the conference. Until then, nothing you say changes the fact you are in western Idaho, and that is to far out of the footprint. Sorry.

I didn't make the argument in this post that the conference should keep Idaho (although it should). I'm just saying that the Belt booted two schools largely because the CFP payouts are now structured to discourage G5 conferences larger than 10 teams unless those extra teams are pulling their weight on the field, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to add FCS schools.

You can make the argument that booting Idaho and not replacing them is a good financial move. But if you toss Idaho, which is currently producing results on the field and made the conference 7 figures last year, in favor of an unproven FCS team you're doing something that hurts your bottom line.

I don't think anyone right now is realistically talking football expansion. But in the long run, and that is what we need to be talking about, a "local" FCS team called up now, may hurt short term compared to what Idaho is currently doing, which is something you have never proven you can sustain, can be more benefit in the long run with rivalries.

I hate you guys are being UAb'd, getting the rug pulled out as soon as you show progress. And hopefully you guys have a UAb ending. But your administration seems against it and not sure there are enough people in Moscow to change their minds.

That's probably a "fer shure" with the G5's. Frankly, our 10-team conference setup is likely an envy of at least most of the other G5's I'd wager.

I'm sure a lot of CUSA members have already picked out which four schools they would boot in a heartbeat if they could
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RE: if Sun Belt were to expand, what's your ideal result?
(03-29-2017 03:08 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 02:50 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 12:34 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 12:22 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 12:01 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Relocate your school to Mississippi and your back in the conference. Until then, nothing you say changes the fact you are in western Idaho, and that is to far out of the footprint. Sorry.

I didn't make the argument in this post that the conference should keep Idaho (although it should). I'm just saying that the Belt booted two schools largely because the CFP payouts are now structured to discourage G5 conferences larger than 10 teams unless those extra teams are pulling their weight on the field, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to add FCS schools.

You can make the argument that booting Idaho and not replacing them is a good financial move. But if you toss Idaho, which is currently producing results on the field and made the conference 7 figures last year, in favor of an unproven FCS team you're doing something that hurts your bottom line.

I don't think anyone right now is realistically talking football expansion. But in the long run, and that is what we need to be talking about, a "local" FCS team called up now, may hurt short term compared to what Idaho is currently doing, which is something you have never proven you can sustain, can be more benefit in the long run with rivalries.

I hate you guys are being UAb'd, getting the rug pulled out as soon as you show progress. And hopefully you guys have a UAb ending. But your administration seems against it and not sure there are enough people in Moscow to change their minds.

That's probably a "fer shure" with the G5's. Frankly, our 10-team conference setup is likely an envy of at least most of the other G5's I'd wager.

I'm sure a lot of CUSA members have already picked out which four schools they would boot in a heartbeat if they could

Heh... they do that all the time over at the C-USA board.
03-30-2017 03:44 PM
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RE: if Sun Belt were to expand, what's your ideal result?
(03-29-2017 11:10 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 06:38 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 03:03 AM)Olde Hate Wrote:  Shouldn't we be looking for schools to fill the future void in the west? Schools like Central Arkansas, Mizzou State, Sam Houston State, McNeese State would be good additions in the west.

I just threw up a little bit. We might as well just drop back down to FCS as a conference

I don't like but accept the reasoning behind the idea that the Sun Belt is better off with 10 football schools. But if you guys kick out a school that went bowling last year and is about to go again this year and then turn around and call up FCS schools you all need your heads examined.

It's not going to matter for Idaho one day. The WAC is going to bring back football, or some other western conference is going to form in the future. The only place an FCS school can move up to out West is the MWC, and there is no room.

There's going to come a day when schools like North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Eastern Washington, and Montana will want to make a move to FBS. Idaho and NMSU could potentially be involved in that scenario. The only option is to go to the MWC (which won't happen), revive WAC football and be invited there, or create some sort of new Big Sky Conference in FBS.
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RE: if Sun Belt were to expand, what's your ideal result?
(03-30-2017 05:07 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 11:10 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 06:38 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 03:03 AM)Olde Hate Wrote:  Shouldn't we be looking for schools to fill the future void in the west? Schools like Central Arkansas, Mizzou State, Sam Houston State, McNeese State would be good additions in the west.

I just threw up a little bit. We might as well just drop back down to FCS as a conference

I don't like but accept the reasoning behind the idea that the Sun Belt is better off with 10 football schools. But if you guys kick out a school that went bowling last year and is about to go again this year and then turn around and call up FCS schools you all need your heads examined.

It's not going to matter for Idaho one day. The WAC is going to bring back football, or some other western conference is going to form in the future. The only place an FCS school can move up to out West is the MWC, and there is no room.

There's going to come a day when schools like North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Eastern Washington, and Montana will want to make a move to FBS. Idaho and NMSU could potentially be involved in that scenario. The only option is to go to the MWC (which won't happen), revive WAC football and be invited there, or create some sort of new Big Sky Conference in FBS.

Maybe. Montana doesn't actually have a lot of incentive to change what they're doing and EWU is already operating at just about the top of their range. But I do believe there aren't enough FBS conferences in the west and at some point another one will form. I just don't know when that might be. I'd guess it's at least 5-7 years away.
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