(01-08-2017 09:04 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 08:46 AM)blueraidermike Wrote:  JMU athletic budget is $45M...that is much bigger than I think all of CUSA.

That's an impressive athletic budget, not quite AAC but certainly rubbing elbows with teams from the MWC.

Its really not. VA schools have to include everything they spend as a budget. Its real fuzzy math. Some of the DII schools in VA show up with 12-13 million dollar athletic budgets.

(01-08-2017 02:47 AM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 02:38 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  You forget our basketball dominance, as well. Just sayin'. La Tech are ODU's Washington Generals. We love you guys. Homecoming game, every time we meet.

Lol, glad to know we're basically your super bowl the way you always wanna bring it up.

Much like Dawgx always brings up the win against Arkansas State? You aren't as good as you think you are and losing to an FCS move-up while claiming no more FCS, especially a FCS with a program with a higher ceiling than Tech is more about self preservation than what is good for competition.

Y'all are missing my point. I'm not saying JMU couldn't compete. And I want the league to get better. But people are already saying we're a crap conference, and adding more FCS schools will only fuel that fire, as it will show we aren't good enough to get FBS schools. Plus, adding an FCS school means waiting an extra year while they go through transition, and I'm tired of an odd numbered conference membership screwing up schedules. And even once they do get in, they have to wait a year before they're even eligible for a bowl game.

(01-08-2017 02:53 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  Y'all are missing my point. I'm not saying JMU couldn't compete. And I want the league to get better. But people are already saying we're a crap conference, and adding more FCS schools will only fuel that fire, as it will show we aren't good enough to get FBS schools. Plus, adding an FCS school means waiting an extra year while they go through transition, and I'm tired of an odd numbered conference membership screwing up schedules. And even once they do get in, they have to wait a year before they're even eligible for a bowl game.

Except the Sun Belt surpassed C-USA by adding FCS schools...

(01-08-2017 04:37 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 02:53 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  Y'all are missing my point. I'm not saying JMU couldn't compete. And I want the league to get better. But people are already saying we're a crap conference, and adding more FCS schools will only fuel that fire, as it will show we aren't good enough to get FBS schools. Plus, adding an FCS school means waiting an extra year while they go through transition, and I'm tired of an odd numbered conference membership screwing up schedules. And even once they do get in, they have to wait a year before they're even eligible for a bowl game.

Except the Sun Belt surpassed C-USA by adding FCS schools...

ODU definitely helped CUSA too. FCS schools with a winning attitude is what is needed if there are to be move ups.

(01-08-2017 04:39 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 04:37 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 02:53 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  Y'all are missing my point. I'm not saying JMU couldn't compete. And I want the league to get better. But people are already saying we're a crap conference, and adding more FCS schools will only fuel that fire, as it will show we aren't good enough to get FBS schools. Plus, adding an FCS school means waiting an extra year while they go through transition, and I'm tired of an odd numbered conference membership screwing up schedules. And even once they do get in, they have to wait a year before they're even eligible for a bowl game.

Except the Sun Belt surpassed C-USA by adding FCS schools...

ODU definitely helped CUSA too. FCS schools with a winning attitude is what is needed if there are to be move ups.

I think the USS Move Up has set sail and if anything, the opposite will be seen....schools headed back to FCS. Idaho, ULM, who else?

LoL at a Tech fan shitting on ULM.

But other than that, agreed. Unless the ground opens up on the G5 then move ups are done for a while.

(01-08-2017 04:37 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 02:53 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  Y'all are missing my point. I'm not saying JMU couldn't compete. And I want the league to get better. But people are already saying we're a crap conference, and adding more FCS schools will only fuel that fire, as it will show we aren't good enough to get FBS schools. Plus, adding an FCS school means waiting an extra year while they go through transition, and I'm tired of an odd numbered conference membership screwing up schedules. And even once they do get in, they have to wait a year before they're even eligible for a bowl game.

Except the Sun Belt surpassed C-USA by adding FCS schools...

Except not really...

I think ODU, App, GaSo were all good adds.

I think UNCC and GaSt were adds of strategery.

What helped out the Belt was the shedding of FIU and FAU the way there were playing at the time. CUSA might have home runs with them if their coaching hires pan out.

(01-08-2017 04:43 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  LoL at a Tech fan shitting on ULM.

But other than that, agreed. Unless the ground opens up on the G5 then move ups are done for a while.

LOL at you taking up for ULM based on conference affiliation and implying Tech can't look down on them.

In fairness, I was doing exactly that ten years ago. You'll realize in time what a joke of an athletic program that is in Monroe.

While I would prefer any future CUSA members come from east of the Mississippi, and there are only a handful of SBC schools I have actual interest in, but ULM is the only member I couldn't find a single silver lining about joining.

(01-08-2017 05:11 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 04:43 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  LoL at a Tech fan shitting on ULM.

But other than that, agreed. Unless the ground opens up on the G5 then move ups are done for a while.

LOL at you taking up for ULM based on conference affiliation and implying Tech can't look down on them.

In fairness, I was doing exactly that ten years ago. You'll realize in time what a joke of an athletic program that is in Monroe.

While I would prefer any future CUSA members come from east of the Mississippi, and there are only a handful of SBC schools I have actual interest in, but ULM is the only member I couldn't find a single silver lining about joining.

Oh, I understand LaTech's feelings toward ULM. App State fans have those same feelings toward UNCC. Almost exactly the same. At least ULM does have a I-AA championship to point at. Even though they've only had a handful of mini successes since.

(01-08-2017 05:20 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 05:11 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 04:43 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  LoL at a Tech fan shitting on ULM.

But other than that, agreed. Unless the ground opens up on the G5 then move ups are done for a while.

LOL at you taking up for ULM based on conference affiliation and implying Tech can't look down on them.

In fairness, I was doing exactly that ten years ago. You'll realize in time what a joke of an athletic program that is in Monroe.

While I would prefer any future CUSA members come from east of the Mississippi, and there are only a handful of SBC schools I have actual interest in, but ULM is the only member I couldn't find a single silver lining about joining.

Oh, I understand LaTech's feelings toward ULM. App State fans have those same feelings toward UNCC. Almost exactly the same. At least ULM does have a I-AA championship to point at. Even though they've only had a handful of mini successes since.

If I were you, I wouldn't be talking about Charlotte in basketball season... they have almost 4 times as many NCAA wins as you have appearances.

Yeh, they've been impressive lately. Does CUSA get any money from their former success?

(01-08-2017 03:43 AM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 03:10 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  That is really funny. You mentioned that you wanted no more 1-AA schools. This 1-AA school is 1-0 versus La Tech in football and 3-1 versus La Tech in basketball since we joined CUSA. So, all your entitled, arrogant bull**** about 1-AA schools being beneath you is just that. You want respect, beat us on the field of play. Otherwise, STFU, you neutered poodle.

If JMU were half as successful as we were transitioning, we'd still have a winning record against you. Suck on that, Cletus.

Dang, calm down dude. This ain't about you. You guys have done pretty well. But we're already being looked down on by outsiders as a bad conference. As good as JMU might be, do you really think we'll get any more respect by adding more FCS schools? It would just open us up to more ridicule (esp from the #FunBelt crowd). Until this year, none of the FCS schools had done too well. This year ODU did pretty well and UTSA made a bowl game, so an improvement from that standpoint. Charlotte got a little better, but still only 4-8.

I'm tired of listening to people calling us the worst FBS conference. Adding more FCS schools won't help that.

You are absolutely CORRECT. Unfortunately, people like ODUsmitty --and some other ODU fans-- don't realize that they are on the OTHER side now, and they themselves need to separate themselves from their old FCS roots. The more FCS schools that keep getting dumped on us, the worse this conference --or any conference-- is going to look.

(01-08-2017 05:20 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 05:11 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 04:43 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  LoL at a Tech fan shitting on ULM.

But other than that, agreed. Unless the ground opens up on the G5 then move ups are done for a while.

LOL at you taking up for ULM based on conference affiliation and implying Tech can't look down on them.

In fairness, I was doing exactly that ten years ago. You'll realize in time what a joke of an athletic program that is in Monroe.

While I would prefer any future CUSA members come from east of the Mississippi, and there are only a handful of SBC schools I have actual interest in, but ULM is the only member I couldn't find a single silver lining about joining.

Oh, I understand LaTech's feelings toward ULM. App State fans have those same feelings toward UNCC. Almost exactly the same. At least ULM does have a I-AA championship to point at. Even though they've only had a handful of mini successes since.

But here's the thing about Charlotte, whether or not you believe they were gifted an FBS bid(same argument could apply to Georgia State or ODU), at least they put together a respectable well funded athletic program.

What you did at the FCS level is largely irrelevant if you ask me, ULM's FCS championship( thirty years ago) means exactly zero, especially considering they have just three winning seasons and three conference titles in the time since, only one of each since moving to FBS(won a SBC co championship at 6-6(4-3))and if Kolton Browning had been recruited by anyone better, they still wouldn't have a winning season at the FBS level.

To wit, App State has won 21 games in two years at the FBS level. It took more than five seasons for ULM to equal that number and when they reached their 21st win (as a FBS independent) 18 of those 21 wins came against FCS teams like Nichols, SFA, Weber State etc, other teams recently or currently moving up like UAB and UCF, or Louisana who's history, prior to 2011, is nearly as abysmal.(ULM's three wins against established FBS programs in that time were over a 1-10 Kentucky team, a 3-8 Miss State team and a 3-9 Hawaii team).

The majority of their athletic program(unless we're talking club water skiing, yes seriously) is equally woeful.

At least ODU, Charlotte and GSU put together a real budget and athletic program rather than occasionally almost competing in football while letting most other sports wither on the vine.

I think that for JMU's FBS proponents, that sadly, this could be actually BAD news for their hopes. It will placate some of the proponents of FBS, by giving the school something to point to.

I think it will be unlikely that they'll look at it like WKU did when they won the FCS championship, and then saw their season ticket sales go up by a whopping 100 seats...then stagnate for a couple of years and say...screw this...we're going FBS. Of course, WKU was already in an all but football (and therefore, a full member of the conference - which is determined by basketball membership).

The problem for JMU remains this.

The MAC isn't interested in taking them. The AAC isn't taking them. CUSA has no room for them. Their administration has said no to the Belt and I'm not sure the Belt would take them now, even if JMU had an unlikely change of heart.

JMU is now playing in a depleted FCS league. Since both of our conferences have taken most of the top teams I would expect them and NDSU be in the Championship game more years than not. I know this year they played each other in the semi but believe me if ESPN wanted both those teams to be split. They will be split. I think its best for JMU to stay right where they are.

yep, your totally right about a depleted FCS, and JMU took advantage of it big time. I watched almost all of their playoff games, including NDSU, and they we're far superior in overall talent, if they played in CUSA or the SBC this year they would finish in the top 4, maybe with a few breaks, contend for the title, but, like you guys said, their staying in the FCS for a long, long time.

(01-08-2017 05:24 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 05:20 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 05:11 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 04:43 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  LoL at a Tech fan shitting on ULM.

But other than that, agreed. Unless the ground opens up on the G5 then move ups are done for a while.

LOL at you taking up for ULM based on conference affiliation and implying Tech can't look down on them.

In fairness, I was doing exactly that ten years ago. You'll realize in time what a joke of an athletic program that is in Monroe.

While I would prefer any future CUSA members come from east of the Mississippi, and there are only a handful of SBC schools I have actual interest in, but ULM is the only member I couldn't find a single silver lining about joining.

Oh, I understand LaTech's feelings toward ULM. App State fans have those same feelings toward UNCC. Almost exactly the same. At least ULM does have a I-AA championship to point at. Even though they've only had a handful of mini successes since.

If I were you, I wouldn't be talking about Charlotte in basketball season... they have almost 4 times as many NCAA wins as you have appearances.

Something to know about App fans, they only exist during football season. Once college basketball starts they are rooting for "Dem Heels and Ole' Roy", so any basketball success Charlotte has had isn't impressive to them.

(01-09-2017 08:56 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Something to know about App fans, they only exist during football season. Once college basketball starts they are rooting for "Dem Heels and Ole' Roy", so any basketball success Charlotte has had isn't impressive to them.

3-9 overall, 0-3 in conference, bottom of the belch, 294 RPI. I see what you mean.