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As far as I can tell, PJ Fleck is being consistent with everything that he has ever said and everything I have ever assumed him to be. He is a riser...plain and simple. Never once did he say he would be here forever. In fact, he never said that he would never leave here this off-season. It sucks that he is taking recruits with him, but at least he is performing in a way that is consistent with who he is whether we like it that it happened to us or not.

What is also starting to show is the true colors of some of the posters on this forum. I get being hurt and angry. I'm both. But the name-calling and insults are ******* childish. There is a serious difference between venting and the amount of vitriol that some seem to have. It is easily no more selfish than Fleck trying better himself and reach his goals.

I'm not anyone's dad, boss, mother or otherwise, but I suggest that some deep breaths might be beneficial before hearts start exploding. We are going to have a new coaching staff to support and we are going to need all the Broncos we can get!
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I don't wish Fleck any ill will... but in no way do I really care about what he does in Minn. Again... he's dead to me. Time to move on. Appreciate what he accomplished here... but i'm ready for the next phase of WMU football...

This next hire is CRUCIAL!
01-07-2017 02:11 PM
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Digging James Madison.
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(01-07-2017 02:03 PM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  As far as I can tell, PJ Fleck is being consistent with everything that he has ever said and everything I have ever assumed him to be. He is a riser...plain and simple. Never once did he say he would be here forever. In fact, he never said that he would never leave here this off-season. It sucks that he is taking recruits with him, but at least he is performing in a way that is consistent with who he is whether we like it that it happened to us or not.

What is also starting to show is the true colors of some of the posters on this forum. I get being hurt and angry. I'm both. But the name-calling and insults are ******* childish. There is a serious difference between venting and the amount of vitriol that some seem to have. It is easily no more selfish than Fleck trying better himself and reach his goals.

I'm not anyone's dad, boss, mother or otherwise, but I suggest that some deep breaths might be beneficial before hearts start exploding. We are going to have a new coaching staff to support and we are going to need all the Broncos we can get!

Well said. This is bigtime college athletics, welcome to it. You have to take the good with the bad. Winners like PJ Fleck have massive egos, it goes with the turf. Lou Holtz, Jim Harbaugh, Bo or Tressel would have done the same thing, don't believe otherwise.

Let's focus on hiring the next up and comer and make sure we have a PROCESS to backfill them when they leave-because if they have success at WMU they will!
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(01-07-2017 02:11 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  I don't wish Fleck any ill will... but in no way do I really care about what he does in Minn. Again... he's dead to me. Time to move on. Appreciate what he accomplished here... but i'm ready for the next phase of WMU football...

This next hire is CRUCIAL!

Pretty much EXACTLY my feelings.
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Care to name any MAC coach in Football or Basketball who was successful and stayed at any school for extended period of time?
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(01-07-2017 02:54 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Care to name any MAC coach in Football or Basketball who was successful and stayed at any school for extended period of time?

Solich??? Don't hit me (ducks away)...
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(01-07-2017 02:54 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Care to name any MAC coach in Football or Basketball who was successful and stayed at any school for extended period of time?

Frank Solich has done well at Ohio.
Coach Hawkins has done well with our BBall program for quite some time (this year notwithstanding)...
Bob Pruett at Marshall back in the 90's

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Not many...
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(01-07-2017 02:56 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  
(01-07-2017 02:54 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Care to name any MAC coach in Football or Basketball who was successful and stayed at any school for extended period of time?

Frank Solich has done well at Ohio.
Coach Hawkins has done well with our BBall program for quite some time (this year notwithstanding)...
Bob Pruett at Marshall back in the 90's

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Not many...

I'll add Keith Dambrot to the list.
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It almost looked as if we dodged a bullet before Minnesota's house of cards tumbled down.

But the chances of a MAC coach staying on board after a 13-0/NY6 season is slim to none.
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(01-07-2017 02:56 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  
(01-07-2017 02:54 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Care to name any MAC coach in Football or Basketball who was successful and stayed at any school for extended period of time?

Frank Solich has done well at Ohio.
Coach Hawkins has done well with our BBall program for quite some time (this year notwithstanding)...
Bob Pruett at Marshall back in the 90's

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Not many...

Depends on the definition of successful I have always admired Bill Doolittle and I would personally put him on that list.
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Solich wasn't going upward like Fleck, got a second-chance HC gig in his home state late in his career (age: mid-50s).

Pruett was also older and wasn't going anywhere after Marshall got hit by NCAA penalties (again).

Dambrot is an Akron-area guy who coached LeBron in HS. If other schools looked into why he was fired at CMU - no way.

As for Hawkins - likes the community-university, being a D-I coach here.

Like most of our previous HCs before Fleck.
01-07-2017 03:17 PM
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(01-07-2017 03:17 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Solich wasn't going upward like Fleck, got a second-chance HC gig in his home state late in his career (age: mid-50s).

Pruett was also older and wasn't going anywhere after Marshall got hit by NCAA penalties (again).

Dambrot is an Akron-area guy who coached LeBron in HS. If other schools looked into why he was fired at CMU - no way.

As for Hawkins - likes the community-university, being a D-I coach here.

Like most of our previous HCs before Fleck.

Not to split hairs, but I didn't read anything about "direction" or timing in your original post. I would still contend that the "successful" label on Solich is definitely debatable....
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(01-07-2017 03:06 PM)goldsworth Wrote:  Depends on the definition of successful I have always admired Bill Doolittle and I would personally put him on that list.

Doo was successful his first few years here, then the lack of substance in the program caught up with him.

He was very popular as he should have been but at the end he was being pilloried in student newspaper and the stands.

He interviewed for one other job that I know of but turned it down (much to chagrin of some of his assistants) because of his loyalty to WMU and he and wife liked Kalamazoo.
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Reading some comments in various forums that PJ's schtick is getting mixed reviews up in Twin City Town. Apparently his hyper personality is rubbing some-not all-Minnesotans as bush league.

It'll be interesting to see if he can translate his performance at MAC Western Michigan to Big 10 Minnesota. Maybe they're gilded up there?
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(01-07-2017 03:54 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Reading some comments in various forums that PJ's schtick is getting mixed reviews up in Twin City Town. Apparently his hyper personality is rubbing some-not all-Minnesotans as bush league.

It'll be interesting to see if he can translate his performance at MAC Western Michigan to Big 10 Minnesota. Maybe they're gilded up there?

Sounds like a familiar criticism. He'll convert most of them, just like he did here.
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(01-07-2017 02:03 PM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  As far as I can tell, PJ Fleck is being consistent with everything that he has ever said and everything I have ever assumed him to be. He is a riser...plain and simple. Never once did he say he would be here forever. In fact, he never said that he would never leave here this off-season. It sucks that he is taking recruits with him, but at least he is performing in a way that is consistent with who he is whether we like it that it happened to us or not.

What is also starting to show is the true colors of some of the posters on this forum. I get being hurt and angry. I'm both. But the name-calling and insults are ******* childish. There is a serious difference between venting and the amount of vitriol that some seem to have. It is easily no more selfish than Fleck trying better himself and reach his goals.

I'm not anyone's dad, boss, mother or otherwise, but I suggest that some deep breaths might be beneficial before hearts start exploding. We are going to have a new coaching staff to support and we are going to need all the Broncos we can get!

Agree 100%.
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Quote:Care to name any MAC coach in Football or Basketball who was successful and stayed at any school for extended period of time?

Yeah, but can anyone name a MAC coach getting offered millions a year? :) The frustration isn't merely that he left (there would be some regardless of course) -- but that we couldn't keep him despite being in the ballpark range of salary + WAY beyond any MAC dream salary.

It sucks no fault to PJ's in another way: If Minnesota didn't get involved in the gang-bang debacle, we'd have him for the next few years at least, most likely (until he'd be able to be reasonably bought out + good enough again to be wanted to be bought out). Enough to establish ourselves as a G5 power team -- where we'd have the pick of the litter for G5 HCs, and would have a legitimate shot at establishing ourselves as such for a long time to come (ours to lose).

That said, all is not lost, though. If we get a Good HC hire, we can hit the ground running and in the year after next be back in the MACC game.
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(01-07-2017 03:54 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Reading some comments in various forums that PJ's schtick is getting mixed reviews up in Twin City Town. Apparently his hyper personality is rubbing some-not all-Minnesotans as bush league.

It'll be interesting to see if he can translate his performance at MAC Western Michigan to Big 10 Minnesota. Maybe they're gilded up there?

Fleck is very unique, an acquired taste as it were.

Minnesota, despite its history as a "Farm-Liberal" state, is also kind of conservative in its ways. And the fans-media are somewhat cynical after their recent history.

He'll have to calm the waters after the last month in program there as well as sell himself and what he's going to try to do, and "HOW."

Whether his "I can sell ice to Eskimos" approach will work at the U remains to be seen.
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(01-07-2017 04:04 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  
(01-07-2017 03:54 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Reading some comments in various forums that PJ's schtick is getting mixed reviews up in Twin City Town. Apparently his hyper personality is rubbing some-not all-Minnesotans as bush league.

It'll be interesting to see if he can translate his performance at MAC Western Michigan to Big 10 Minnesota. Maybe they're gilded up there?

Fleck is very unique, an acquired taste as it were.

Minnesota, despite its history as a "Farm-Liberal" state, is also kind of conservative in its ways. And the fans-media are somewhat cynical after their recent history.

He'll have to calm the waters after the last month in program there as well as sell himself and what he's going to try to do, and "HOW."

Whether his "I can sell ice to Eskimos" approach will work at the U remains to be seen.

Depends if he wins. Everyone loves a winner, regardless of their personality. If a rich guy is weird, he's called "eccentric". If a poor guy is weird, he's called "weird". Would "row the boat" have taken off like it did if you had not had the success you've had? No.

Came over here to check out the reaction to PJ leaving. He did give you guys an outstanding year, and you represented the MAC well in the Cotton Bowl. Would he have had continued success if he stayed at WMU? Who knows. You may have given him a big salary and a long contract only to have buyer's remorse a year or two down the line.

PJ does seem to develop a rabid following, as evidenced by the number of recruits he's taking. Again, time will tell if he was a one-hit wonder or is the real deal. He's a multi-millionaire in his mid 30's, so he's doing something right. Whether his style will work at Minn and the Big10 remains to be seen. He may have to dial back the enthusiasm a notch or two.

Yours is the plight of successful MAC teams. Good coaches move on.NIU went through it after the Orange Bowl, when Doeren left before the game. At least PJ stayed for the Cotton Bowl.

NIU obviously had a bad year, and many are clamoring for Rod Carey to leave. If we have another year like 2016 he'll be gone. Hopefully 2016 was just an off year and we'll be back in the mix in 2017.

Anyway, congratulations on your season, it was a heck of a ride.
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