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Little interest in Alabama-Clemson?
I haven't had much interest in this bowl season. Generally less interesting than a typical regular season and there weren't a lot of interesting teams this year.

I get the impression the Alabama-Clemson rematch isn't generating a lot of interest outside of Alabama and South Carolina. There's no buzz on any of the boards I frequent.

Saban fatigue? Or a generally uninspiring season?
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Little interest in Alabama-Clemson?
I think people are getting bored with Alabama domination
It will be telling what the tv ratings will be for this championship game
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RE: Little interest in Alabama-Clemson?
Well from what I've heard, the ticket prices are through the roof and seats at the game are in high demand, more than we've seen in a while, if ever. But that's obviously mostly Bama and Clemson fans. I can understand if outsiders have a lower interest. The same two teams is kinda boring, especially when one of them is Bama, who is there more times than not these days.
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RE: Little interest in Alabama-Clemson?
Any time the NCG is an exact repeat from last year, there's going to be less interest. It's bad for general interest in CFB.


This has nothing to do with earning it. Both Alabama and Clemson earned it. Both are two best CFB football programs in the nation, right now.

And I'm rooting for Clemson to win, so at least Alabama doesn't win two in a row.


Just saying, CFB has had a lot of history with dynasties. Such things are great for fans of that team ... but bad for general interest in the sport. It's better to have the NCG and CFP churn over every year. Similar to the NFC (cuz the AFC is a cartel).
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RE: Little interest in Alabama-Clemson?
This is like having a Duke vs UNC NC game in the NCAA tournament, for 2 years straight.

People want Bama to lose but that will also make them watch to see. I think everyone has grown tired of the advantage Bama seems to have over everyone else but until someone knocks them off, or Saban retires, or something happens to cause things to change it will likely continue. Then then Dabo will take over and it will continue to continue.
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RE: Little interest in Alabama-Clemson?
(01-06-2017 09:46 AM)techdawg28 Wrote:  Well from what I've heard, the ticket prices are through the roof and seats at the game are in high demand, more than we've seen in a while, if ever. But that's obviously mostly Bama and Clemson fans. I can understand if outsiders have a lower interest. The same two teams is kinda boring, especially when one of them is Bama, who is there more times than not these days.

That actually makes sense that ticket prices are high: Tampa is a reasonably short drive or plane flight for much of both of the Clemson and Alabama fan bases (whereas the prior two national championship games required all of the teams' fans involved to travel fairly far on short notice). Plus, a lot of elementary and secondary schools are still on holiday break through this weekend because of how Christmas Day and New Years Day were on Sunday this year, so there could also be a base of vacationers in Central Florida from Tampa to Orlando that were planning to be at the game regardless of who was playing (or maybe were vacationing Bama or Clemson fans that made a calculated bet that their teams would make it to the championship game). Finally, it was probably an easy sell for Clemson and Alabama fans (or more importantly, their spouses and families) to go since they could tack on a trip to Disney World/Universal/the beach pretty easily. This is a situation where the teams involved matched the location for fans that had to plan for a short turnaround of only 9 days from the semifinals to the final plus Central Florida is already in its busiest time of year (the holiday break) for vacationers in general.
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RE: Little interest in Alabama-Clemson?
I don't have much interest since I didn't consider 4 teams to be a playoff and also the same teams every year gets boring.
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RE: Little interest in Alabama-Clemson?
I think that's largely a figment of this board's collective imagination.
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RE: Little interest in Alabama-Clemson?
(01-06-2017 12:11 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think that's largely a figment of this board's collective imagination.


Disagree. CFB coverage in Arizona has dropped to almost nothing, now focused on the draft.

There is no excitement/little interest in the CFB unless you are a Clemson or Alabama fan.
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Little interest in Alabama-Clemson?
I'll be interested to see the tv ratings here in Houston for this game, sure seems like there is a lot of sec fans here, mostly LSU fans but lots of others too...
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(01-06-2017 09:59 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Just saying, CFB has had a lot of history with dynasties. Such things are great for fans of that team ... but bad for general interest in the sport. It's better to have the NCG and CFP churn over every year. Similar to the NFC (cuz the AFC is a cartel).

I think it's generally the opposite for college football and sports in general: the average sports fan actually really enjoys watching dynasties. They never got bored of the Bulls, Yankees or Cowboys of the 1990s or Duke for college basketball or the Patriots and the Cavs/Warriors right now. For the average sports fan that just watches the big games, those dynasties are like marquee performers that they'll always watch. It's really the people that follow a sport closely that get "bored".

I can't tell you how many hardcore baseball fans have complained about all of the nationally-televised Yankees-Red Sox games over the past decade (and they're going to complain about there being "too many Cubs games" for the next decade). They claim that getting more Nats or Rangers games would make schedules more interesting. Same thing about NFL fans complaining about Cowboys and Patriots games always being on national TV or NBA fans with the Cavs and Warriors. The problem is that the average sports fan COMPLETELY disagrees with them as shown by the TV ratings. They *want* to see those Death Star Dynasty Brand Names as much as possible. College football is no exception.
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RE: Little interest in Alabama-Clemson?
A few items that should put to bed the myth that college football is losing popularity:

More than 179,000,000 fans* watched more than 100 billion minutes of college football games on ESPN’s Nielsen-rated television networks** and ESPN games were streamed on 15,128,000 unique devices during the 2016 college football regular season, an increase in fans watching college football games on ESPN’s TV networks and unique devices streaming ESPN college football games from the 2015 college football regular season. The more than 15 million unique devices sets a new ESPN college football regular season record, surpassing last year’s then-record setting year by more than 17%.


The 100 billion minutes watched by fans on ESPN’s networks this season is more than 2.3x*** as much as than all other nationally rated television networks combined****


Louisville has been the #1 market for college basketball since forever. For a basketball crazed city to nearly make into the Top 10 in college football's most popular market says a lot about the games growth...

Additional ESPN and ABC Television Highlights:
•Won the Night: ABC and ESPN combined to be the most-watched network in prime time nine weeks of the college football season across all major demos (males 18-34, 18-49, and 25-54 and persons 18-34, 18-49, and 25-54).
•Local Markets: For the 15th consecutive year, Birmingham was the No. 1 local market for games that aired on ESPN. Combining the rating for games on ESPN and ABC, Birmingham remains the No. 1 local market with Columbus No. 2. The complete Top 15 markets:

Rank Local Rating Market
1 7.4 Birmingham
2 6.7 Columbus
3 4.9 Dayton
4 4.7 Greenville
5 3.9 Cleveland
6 3.8 Knoxville
7 3.7 Nashville
8 3.6 Detroit
9 3.6 Oklahoma City
10 3.6 Atlanta
11 3.5 Louisville
12 3.4 Tulsa
13 3.4 New Orleans
14 3.3 Austin
15 3.2 Memphis


http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...spn-games/



As a final note:
Just because your team sucks doesn't mean everyone else stops watching...
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RE: Little interest in Alabama-Clemson?
The following is my opinion ...

(01-06-2017 12:36 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  the average sports fan actually really enjoys watching dynasties. They never got bored of the Bulls, Yankees or Cowboys of the 1990s or Duke for college basketball or the Patriots and the Cavs/Warriors right now.

I think this is because, as a casual fan, you're watching the Super Bowl, or you're watching the NBA Finals, or you're watching the World Series. A casual fan is not tuning into those things because it's the Cowboys, Bulls, or Yankees playing in them.

The casual fan watches the Super Bowl every year because it's the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl is the thing. The teams playing in it are almost an aside. People get together, everyone brings food and drinks, you watch commercials, you talk, you eat, oh yeah and there's some football game.

Doesn't quite work the same with the Finals or World Series, but still for casual fans they can say "I haven't watched basketball/baseball all year, I have no idea who's good, but I'll watch the Finals/World Series".



IMO, there is no such thing with college sports except the first weekend of March Madness, then exponentially trailing off after that for the tournament.
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(01-06-2017 01:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The following is my opinion ...

(01-06-2017 12:36 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  the average sports fan actually really enjoys watching dynasties. They never got bored of the Bulls, Yankees or Cowboys of the 1990s or Duke for college basketball or the Patriots and the Cavs/Warriors right now.

I think this is because, as a casual fan, you're watching the Super Bowl, or you're watching the NBA Finals, or you're watching the World Series. A casual fan is not tuning into those things because it's the Cowboys, Bulls, or Yankees playing in them.

The casual fan watches the Super Bowl every year because it's the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl is the thing. The teams playing in it are almost an aside. People get together, everyone brings food and drinks, you watch commercials, you talk, you eat, oh yeah and there's some football game.

Doesn't quite work the same with the Finals or World Series, but still for casual fans they can say "I haven't watched basketball/baseball all year, I have no idea who's good, but I'll watch the Finals/World Series".



IMO, there is no such thing with college sports except the first weekend of March Madness, then exponentially trailing off after that for the tournament.

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(01-06-2017 01:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  The following is my opinion ...

(01-06-2017 12:36 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  the average sports fan actually really enjoys watching dynasties. They never got bored of the Bulls, Yankees or Cowboys of the 1990s or Duke for college basketball or the Patriots and the Cavs/Warriors right now.

I think this is because, as a casual fan, you're watching the Super Bowl, or you're watching the NBA Finals, or you're watching the World Series. A casual fan is not tuning into those things because it's the Cowboys, Bulls, or Yankees playing in them.

The casual fan watches the Super Bowl every year because it's the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl is the thing. The teams playing in it are almost an aside. People get together, everyone brings food and drinks, you watch commercials, you talk, you eat, oh yeah and there's some football game.

Doesn't quite work the same with the Finals or World Series, but still for casual fans they can say "I haven't watched basketball/baseball all year, I have no idea who's good, but I'll watch the Finals/World Series".



IMO, there is no such thing with college sports except the first weekend of March Madness, then exponentially trailing off after that for the tournament.

The Super Bowl has relatively inelastic viewership, although it still gets pushed to a slightly higher level when a marquee team like the Cowboys, Patriots, Steelers, Packers, etc. is involved. Regardless, the NFL is the one sport where market sizes and brand names aren't quite as critical as the others.

However, the other events are highly variable. Look at the World Series ratings with the Cubs this season compared to prior years (and how World Series that had the Yankees or Red Sox also compared). Look at the NBA Finals ratings in that mid-2000s period when non-sexy teams like the Spurs and Pistons were at the top compared to the Bulls and Lakers dynasties preceding them and the LeBron-driven Heat and Cavs teams after them.

Even the supposed interest of upstart underdogs in March Madness is a fallacy. When you actually get to the Final Four and the national championship game (which, contrary to what seems to be popular belief on this board, receive MUCH higher ratings compared to the first weekend), the biggest ratings draws are the big name blue bloods like Duke, Kentucky, UNC and Kansas.

At the same time, the college football national championship game isn't some type of niche event. Instead, it is typically the most-watched non-NFL/Olympics sporting event of the year. (The only exceptions are usually when you have a high profile Game 7 in the NBA Finals or World Series like we did this past year.) If anything, the college football national championship game viewership is a bit more entrenched compared to MLB or the NBA.

Anyway, fans like to *say* they support the underdogs, but ratings data over and over and over again (in every single sport, whether college or pro) show that they want to see the brand name marquee teams. Always believe what people *do* as opposed to what they *say*.
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(01-06-2017 03:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  fans like to *say* they support the underdogs, but ratings data over and over and over again (in every single sport, whether college or pro) show that they want to see the brand name marquee teams.

We can try to have academic discussions of sports television viewership, round and round and round. But I want to bring this back directly to what the OP was getting at, and that can easily boil down to a single mental-experiment question:

Which CFP National Championship Game, played on Jan 9, 2017, gets higher ratings??
- Alabama vs Clemson
- Washington vs Clemson


I'm going Washington v Clemson, all day. People are sick of Alabama. And the game already has a southern team in Clemson, hungry for it's first national title (in some time?). Would've been better for the sport if Washington had won.
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(01-06-2017 04:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 03:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  fans like to *say* they support the underdogs, but ratings data over and over and over again (in every single sport, whether college or pro) show that they want to see the brand name marquee teams.

We can try to have academic discussions of sports television viewership, round and round and round. But I want to bring this back directly to what the OP was getting at, and that can easily boil down to a single mental-experiment question:

Which CFP National Championship Game, played on Jan 9, 2017, gets higher ratings??
- Alabama vs Clemson
- Washington vs Clemson


I'm going Washington v Clemson, all day. People are sick of Alabama. And the game already has a southern team in Clemson, hungry for it's first national title (in some time?). Would've been better for the sport if Washington had won.

This is obviously a hypothetical presented by you, but let's just go to the ratings data from stever20 this year:

http://csnbbs.com/thread-790962.html

4 of the top 10 highest-rated games of the regular season involved Alabama. Fully half of the top 12 highest-rated games (6 of the top 12) also involved Alabama. None of them involved Washington. That indicates that the general viewer isn't tired of watching Alabama at all.
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(01-06-2017 03:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Anyway, fans like to *say* they support the underdogs, but ratings data over and over and over again (in every single sport, whether college or pro) show that they want to see the brand name marquee teams. Always believe what people *do* as opposed to what they *say*.

Aren't the Cubs the definition of perpetual underdogs? Isn't that why people watched last Series?
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(01-06-2017 04:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  That indicates that the general viewer isn't tired of watching Alabama at all.

But what I'm saying is that more general (casual) viewers would've tuned in to watch Wash/Clem.

I absolutely, 100% will never-ever believe that there huge swaths of people out there, without any ties to the Univ of Alabama, that will tune in to watch Alabama/Clemson, but would not have watched Washington/Clemson.

There is no a priori argument that any rational person could come up with to the contrary. All anyone would be able to do is somehow fit an argument to the data, after the fact.
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(01-06-2017 12:11 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think that's largely a figment of this board's collective imagination.
I'm not so interested. Bodda Getta though
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