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RE: Why rotate the Semi's?
(01-06-2017 09:33 AM)orangefan Wrote:  First, it is clear that New Year's Day is far superior to New Year's Eve to maximize viewership for the semifinals.

The CFP has eliminated New Year's Eve semifinals in future years, except for two years in which NYE is a Friday or Saturday (2021 and 2022). The semis stay on January 1 when they are at the Rose and Sugar bowls.

For example, in 2018 the semis (Cotton and Orange) will be on Saturday, December 29, and in 2019 the semis (Fiesta and Peach) will be on Saturday, December 28.
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RE: Why rotate the Semi's?
(01-06-2017 11:29 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 09:33 AM)orangefan Wrote:  First, it is clear that New Year's Day is far superior to New Year's Eve to maximize viewership for the semifinals.

The CFP has eliminated New Year's Eve semifinals in future years, except for two years in which NYE is a Friday or Saturday (2021 and 2022). The semis stay on January 1 when they are at the Rose and Sugar bowls.

For example, in 2018 the semis (Cotton and Orange) will be on Saturday, December 29, and in 2019 the semis (Fiesta and Peach) will be on Saturday, December 28.

That should be a big help with the ratings. I think even NYE on Friday or Saturday has the potential to limit the size of the audience due to conflicts with many personal schedules, as suggested by this chart from Showbuzzdaily.com

[Image: College-Football-Playoff-Available-Audience-Track.png]
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RE: Why rotate the Semi's?
ESPN were fools for agreeing to pay the Rose and Sugar bowls as much as they did. They should have put more money into the playoffs, less into those bowls. Then they might have had some leverage.

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That's essentially the difference in Washington and Oklahoma being in the playoff.
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(01-06-2017 11:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ESPN were fools for agreeing to pay the Rose and Sugar bowls as much as they did. They should have put more money into the playoffs, less into those bowls. Then they might have had some leverage.

At least for the Rose Bowl, the current deal was setup to be concurrent with the CFP deal. So I think, to a great extend, the two things you're talking about are one in the same.

Next deals could be different, but we still have a ways to go yet on the current deals.
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(01-05-2017 05:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  In fact, I bet the Rose and Sugar wouldn't have minded hosting the semi every year, and paying seven figures to the conferences of the teams that made the games.

And I'm sure the Big Ten and SEC quickly slapped that down.

I'm sure they'd love to "only" pay seven figures, seeing as how they've been paying well over eight figures for the last two decades 04-cheers

(01-06-2017 11:42 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 11:29 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 09:33 AM)orangefan Wrote:  First, it is clear that New Year's Day is far superior to New Year's Eve to maximize viewership for the semifinals.

The CFP has eliminated New Year's Eve semifinals in future years, except for two years in which NYE is a Friday or Saturday (2021 and 2022). The semis stay on January 1 when they are at the Rose and Sugar bowls.

For example, in 2018 the semis (Cotton and Orange) will be on Saturday, December 29, and in 2019 the semis (Fiesta and Peach) will be on Saturday, December 28.

That should be a big help with the ratings. I think even NYE on Friday or Saturday has the potential to limit the size of the audience due to conflicts with many personal schedules, as suggested by this chart from Showbuzzdaily.com

[Image: College-Football-Playoff-Available-Audience-Track.png]

I don't know. I think having the playoffs prior to other major games causes serious problems. I just don't know for which party?
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RE: Why rotate the Semi's?
(01-06-2017 05:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(01-05-2017 05:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  In fact, I bet the Rose and Sugar wouldn't have minded hosting the semi every year, and paying seven figures to the conferences of the teams that made the games.

And I'm sure the Big Ten and SEC quickly slapped that down.

I'm sure they'd love to "only" pay seven figures, seeing as how they've been paying well over eight figures for the last two decades 04-cheers

(01-06-2017 11:42 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 11:29 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 09:33 AM)orangefan Wrote:  First, it is clear that New Year's Day is far superior to New Year's Eve to maximize viewership for the semifinals.

The CFP has eliminated New Year's Eve semifinals in future years, except for two years in which NYE is a Friday or Saturday (2021 and 2022). The semis stay on January 1 when they are at the Rose and Sugar bowls.

For example, in 2018 the semis (Cotton and Orange) will be on Saturday, December 29, and in 2019 the semis (Fiesta and Peach) will be on Saturday, December 28.

That should be a big help with the ratings. I think even NYE on Friday or Saturday has the potential to limit the size of the audience due to conflicts with many personal schedules, as suggested by this chart from Showbuzzdaily.com

[Image: College-Football-Playoff-Available-Audience-Track.png]

I don't know. I think having the playoffs prior to other major games causes serious problems. I just don't know for which party?

That will be the experiment in 2018 and 2019, whether the NYD games' TV ratings are affected by being played 3-4 days after the semis. The CFP guys would probably point out that this week's Rose Bowl TV rating was really good, 2 days after the semis.
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I hate to say it, because it's everyone's least favorite subject ... but it would really be simplified if we had a P4 instead of a P5.

Then ESPN could fold the Rose/Sugar money into the CFP deal and make the Rose and Sugar the semi-finals every year, with hefty bonus payouts to the P4 worked into the CFP base payment for those confs "giving up" the Rose and Sugar to the playoff.

So the P4 base payment would go from I think $50M each to (5*50)/4 + (2*40)/3 = $89.16M per year.

Then you could give the SEC and ACC #2 to the Orange bowl permanently, at $XX million per year each, and spiff up another bowl for the PAC and Big Ten to split at the same payment, perhaps in Las Vegas Raiders stadium, or Los Angeles Rams stadium.
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(01-05-2017 04:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-05-2017 04:07 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-05-2017 03:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Better question: why should those bowls be allowed to lock in on New Year's Day? They moved around in the BCS, so why can't they move around now?

Well the Rose would be more than happy to say screw it and go back to hosting the Big 10/Pac 12 champions. They would be fine and get the TV contract they need to make it sustainable. Im sure the Big 10 and Pac 12 make their participation in the CFP contingent on taking care of the Rose Bowl. And without their participation you have the Bowl Alliance, which did not work. As for the Sugar, if the Rose Bowl is getting special treatment than you best bet the Sugar Bowl will too

Agree completely.

I'd let the Rose and Sugar just be the Rose and Sugar. Move the playoff to JUST the other bowls. The Rose is a pain in the butt to deal with because of all thier tradition and needs. The reality is the Rose and Sugar are extremely valuable as they are. Let them be on thier traditional date with their traditional teams. Let the Rose and Sugar just be the Rose and Sugar. You need these 2 bowls for cooperation purposes---so they of course stay part of the NY-6, but you just use the other bowls that are easier to work with as the rotating CFP.

(01-06-2017 06:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I hate to say it, because it's everyone's least favorite subject ... but it would really be simplified if we had a P4 instead of a P5.

Then ESPN could fold the Rose/Sugar money into the CFP deal and make the Rose and Sugar the semi-finals every year, with hefty bonus payouts to the P4 worked into the CFP base payment for those confs "giving up" the Rose and Sugar to the playoff.

So the P4 base payment would go from I think $50M each to (5*50)/4 + (2*40)/3 = $89.16M per year.

Then you could give the SEC and ACC #2 to the Orange bowl permanently, at $XX million per year each, and spiff up another bowl for the PAC and Big Ten to split at the same payment, perhaps in Las Vegas Raiders stadium, or Los Angeles Rams stadium.

IT was all setup to be that way. Then somehow the ACC has managed to strengthen itself while the Big 12 has looked like a monkey f^&% a football.

I always felt like it was a contest for who could get a network first. Well the ACC did that and now are hooked to ESPN who will certainly protect thier investment.
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