I would move UALR and UTA to the Southland or the Summit.

I would bring in Missouri State and North Florida in as 12. You be adding 2 very strong basketball schools which could get SBC close to a 2 bid league in the future.

SBC West:
Texas State
Missouri State
Arkansas State
La.-Lafayette
La.-Monroe
South Alabama

SBC East:
Troy
North Florida
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian State

If you want to bring in a stronger basketball and football products? Northern Iowa on the west and FGCU on the east to go 14.

You would get some powerful basketball schools in an FBS conference.

Since when is North Florida a strong basketball school? That conference wouldn't come close to 2 bids.

(11-30-2017 04:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 09:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 01:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If North Florida adds football? They could play in the pro stadium. Sun Belt would grab them before Kennesaw State.

Why?

Everyone keeps telling us the Sun Belt should add these random ass teams.

Sun Belt is in the sweet spot of CFP revenue sharing with 10 for football.
In other sports UALR and UTA make the travel work smoothly.
I need only look at 14 member CUSA to conclude that adding another football team will not increase the Sun Belt's media revenue so it will cost us money on the media side to add a team.
Based on what I see going on in basketball. Adding a team will reduce per member NCAA basketball revenue.

No one has remotely made the case for Northeastsouthwest Florida Tech or Cannonball State having such value that we should PAY to add them because that is what happens if the Sun Belt expands. We reduce our revenue and essentially pay to get a new school.

What's the pro for the Sun Belt? Synergistic upward social media hydrid fusion trends???

North Florida or FGCU could bring the RPI up in basketball. Second, it brings in a state that you guys needed for a while now for Florida to recruit. Third, it is best to be proactive to have a surplus of teams just in case you get raided again. If I go to 12 teams? I would grab Missouri State and North Florida to make it better.

Do you save your posts to reuse them? The Sun Belt does not want to or need to add Florida schools, especially non-football schools; it has improved greatly since the F_U twins left. It is not a heavily recruited state for SBC schools. The combined football rosters of the full members has only 108 players from Florida with only one school having more than 20 and five schools have 10 or less (one has zero). FGCU might help RPI but North Florida definitely will not. The first season of UNF men's basketball was 1992-93 and they have had a total of 5 winning seasons, 3 seasons were by 1 game and 2 were by 10 games. The SBC is not going to be raided like before. Again, it is a better conference and the schools like the close footprint. The longest distance between schools is 1300 (CCU-TSU) and is one of only 6 pairs with a distance of more than 1000 miles. They will not trade what they have for a CUSA deal that has a huge travel impact and no guaranteed high revenue increase.

(11-30-2017 05:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I would move UALR and UTA to the Southland or the Summit.

I would bring in Missouri State and North Florida in as 12. You be adding 2 very strong basketball schools which could get SBC close to a 2 bid league in the future.

SBC West:
Texas State
Missouri State
Arkansas State
La.-Lafayette
La.-Monroe
South Alabama

SBC East:
Troy
North Florida
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian State

If you want to bring in a stronger basketball and football products? Northern Iowa on the west and FGCU on the east to go 14.

You would get some powerful basketball schools in an FBS conference.

Now you want to get rid of the two non-football schools to replace them with one football and one non-football school making an odd number of football teams. UT-Arlington left the Southland for a reason and they are not going back. As I just stated earlier in this post, UNF men's basketball has a history of losing. And you also want to add schools that will only increase the travel burden of the members. Learn how to do research before you post this junk.

I'm not convinced that everyone in the Sunbelt is happy where they are:

Texas St would be happier with the C-USA Texas schools
ULL and Arkansas St see themselves as peers with LA Tech and USM
ULM would probably be happier in a better league but I think they know their place
Similarly, I think GA St feels they ought to be playing on the same level as Charlotte and ODU
Georgia Southern and App St also could compete with C-USA East

(11-30-2017 08:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'm not convinced that everyone in the Sunbelt is happy where they are:

Texas St would be happier with the C-USA Texas schools
ULL and Arkansas St see themselves as peers with LA Tech and USM
ULM would probably be happier in a better league but I think they know their place
Similarly, I think GA St feels they ought to be playing on the same level as Charlotte and ODU
Georgia Southern and App St also could compete with C-USA East

"See themselves"?

Are you implying that we are not?

Women's Basketball

Kennesaw State beat Georgia State last night.

(11-30-2017 08:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'm not convinced that everyone in the Sunbelt is happy where they are:

Texas St would be happier with the C-USA Texas schools
ULL and Arkansas St see themselves as peers with LA Tech and USM
ULM would probably be happier in a better league but I think they know their place
Similarly, I think GA St feels they ought to be playing on the same level as Charlotte and ODU
Georgia Southern and App St also could compete with C-USA East

More like not everyone in CUSA is happy where they are.

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(12-01-2017 09:48 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Women's Basketball

Kennesaw State beat Georgia State last night.

Troy beat LSU in football, but I don't think they're getting a SEC invite.

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(11-30-2017 10:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 08:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'm not convinced that everyone in the Sunbelt is happy where they are:

Texas St would be happier with the C-USA Texas schools
ULL and Arkansas St see themselves as peers with LA Tech and USM
ULM would probably be happier in a better league but I think they know their place
Similarly, I think GA St feels they ought to be playing on the same level as Charlotte and ODU
Georgia Southern and App St also could compete with C-USA East

"See themselves"?

Are you implying that we are not?

No, they are definitely at the same level. LA Tech has just been trying to avoid them since 2000. I've long been a big fan of C-USA West picking up ULL, Ark St, and then either Texas St or South Alabama for a 10 team conference.

(11-30-2017 06:18 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  Since when is North Florida a strong basketball school? That conference wouldn't come close to 2 bids.

North Florida went to the 68 field tournament when they were the A-Sun champs a few years ago.

(12-01-2017 11:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 06:18 PM)RandomFan Wrote:  Since when is North Florida a strong basketball school? That conference wouldn't come close to 2 bids.

North Florida went to the 68 field tournament when they were the A-Sun champs a few years ago.

Five winning seasons (barely) in its history and one trip to the NCAA tourney a few years ago makes them a strong basketball school? Wow, that is beyond delusional.

Kennesaw St beat #3 seed Jacksonville St to advance in the FCS quaterfinals.

W Florida has made the DII semifinals.

Impressive showings for such young programs. UCF never accomplished those runs.

(12-02-2017 05:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Kennesaw St beat #3 seed Jacksonville St to advance in the FCS quaterfinals.

W Florida has made the DII semifinals.

Impressive showings for such young programs. UCF never accomplished those runs.

Kennesaw State upsets Jacksonville State

The Gamecocks, a team that is an FCS power with 18 appearances in the playoffs, including its sixth on the FCS level, featured one of the better running backs and rushing defenses in FCS this season, but the Owls, in their third season of football, bettered them strength on strength. Kennesaw State will face the winner of the Sam Houston State-South Dakota game in the next round."

http://www.ajc.com/sports/kennesaw-state...Upc1zmCqN/

Exclamation point aside, UWF's Coleman left 'speechless' by Argos' run to final four.

UWF will travel to play Indiana (Pa.) next Saturday with a spot in the national championship game on the line.

http://www.pnj.com/story/sports/2017/12/...916707001/

UWF stuns West Alabama, advances to Division II national semifinals

http://www.pnj.com/story/sports/college/...915847001/

Sam Houston State edges out Kennesaw State

"Sam Houston State comes up with a big defensive stop in the final moments to secure a 34-27 victory over Kennesaw State in the FCS Quarterfinals. Jeremiah Briscoe led the Bearkats offensive attack with 316 passing yards and 3 touchdowns."

Very impressive Owls. I think KSU is ready for the Sun Belt.

Meanwhile, UWF is playing for the National Championship in its second year of football.

West Florida stuns No. 1 seeded Indiana (Pa) to play for national championship


Both schools would be nice additions to the Sun Belt.

(12-11-2017 10:17 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Sam Houston State edges out Kennesaw State

"Sam Houston State comes up with a big defensive stop in the final moments to secure a 34-27 victory over Kennesaw State in the FCS Quarterfinals. Jeremiah Briscoe led the Bearkats offensive attack with 316 passing yards and 3 touchdowns."

Very impressive Owls. I think KSU is ready for the Sun Belt.

Meanwhile, UWF is playing for the National Championship in its second year of football.

West Florida stuns No. 1 seeded Indiana (Pa) to play for national championship


Both schools would be nice additions to the Sun Belt.

LOL

(12-11-2017 10:17 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Sam Houston State edges out Kennesaw State

"Sam Houston State comes up with a big defensive stop in the final moments to secure a 34-27 victory over Kennesaw State in the FCS Quarterfinals. Jeremiah Briscoe led the Bearkats offensive attack with 316 passing yards and 3 touchdowns."

Very impressive Owls. I think KSU is ready for the Sun Belt.

Meanwhile, UWF is playing for the National Championship in its second year of football.

West Florida stuns No. 1 seeded Indiana (Pa) to play for national championship


Both schools would be nice additions to the Sun Belt.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. UWF should probably try out FCS football as a A-Sun member/Big South FB affiliate first. I'd fully support that move. Some of their Gulf South buddies could follow that same path too.

(11-30-2017 10:55 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 09:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 01:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If North Florida adds football? They could play in the pro stadium. Sun Belt would grab them before Kennesaw State.

Why?

Everyone keeps telling us the Sun Belt should add these random ass teams.

Sun Belt is in the sweet spot of CFP revenue sharing with 10 for football.
In other sports UALR and UTA make the travel work smoothly.
I need only look at 14 member CUSA to conclude that adding another football team will not increase the Sun Belt's media revenue so it will cost us money on the media side to add a team.
Based on what I see going on in basketball. Adding a team will reduce per member NCAA basketball revenue.

No one has remotely made the case for Northeastsouthwest Florida Tech or Cannonball State having such value that we should PAY to add them because that is what happens if the Sun Belt expands. We reduce our revenue and essentially pay to get a new school.

What's the pro for the Sun Belt? Synergistic upward social media hydrid fusion trends???

This is what we got for rescuing Idaho...the assumption that the Belt is the "Land of Misfit Toys" that are just everyone's 'fall back' option.

1) The Belt doesn't have a problem. We are compact, our footprint makes sense, we optimize our per school revenue, and our bowl slots make sense too.
2) For the first time in a long time (actually ever as a FB conference), the members are largely happy to be here. None of our current members feel that they 'have to leave' to be successful. We know we're all probably going to be with each other for quite some time.
3) There's no real threat to the league for the next couple of years, barring some truly unforeseen events
4) There are any number of fall back teams that can be poached if we need extra teams for football. And that's before we'd have to go to Kennesaw, or even Liberty. If we asked for applications to join the league as an all sport, we'd get about 30 serious applications, from teams from the Southland, Atlantic Sun, Ohio Valley, Southern, WAC, and possibly even the Missouri Valley and CAA. There are a LOT of teams, that have far better qualifications than Kennesaw or West Florida, that actually WANT to be in our league. And that's not just FCS schools looking to move up. The Belt is seen as a desirable league by many schools that don't play, and have no plans to play football.
5) Even after a bad year for us in football, and CUSA having a better than average year, the main source of our instability still is too damn big, and still might just get turned down by most of our members in the future.

The Belt might get even better if it could somehow get rid of Monroe and have Texas State move on (to tighten the footprint). Maybe then they could re-add one of the Florida twins.

(12-11-2017 08:37 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 10:55 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 09:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 01:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If North Florida adds football? They could play in the pro stadium. Sun Belt would grab them before Kennesaw State.

Why?

Everyone keeps telling us the Sun Belt should add these random ass teams.

Sun Belt is in the sweet spot of CFP revenue sharing with 10 for football.
In other sports UALR and UTA make the travel work smoothly.
I need only look at 14 member CUSA to conclude that adding another football team will not increase the Sun Belt's media revenue so it will cost us money on the media side to add a team.
Based on what I see going on in basketball. Adding a team will reduce per member NCAA basketball revenue.

No one has remotely made the case for Northeastsouthwest Florida Tech or Cannonball State having such value that we should PAY to add them because that is what happens if the Sun Belt expands. We reduce our revenue and essentially pay to get a new school.

What's the pro for the Sun Belt? Synergistic upward social media hydrid fusion trends???

This is what we got for rescuing Idaho...the assumption that the Belt is the "Land of Misfit Toys" that are just everyone's 'fall back' option.

1) The Belt doesn't have a problem. We are compact, our footprint makes sense, we optimize our per school revenue, and our bowl slots make sense too.
2) For the first time in a long time (actually ever as a FB conference), the members are largely happy to be here. None of our current members feel that they 'have to leave' to be successful. We know we're all probably going to be with each other for quite some time.
3) There's no real threat to the league for the next couple of years, barring some truly unforeseen events
4) There are any number of fall back teams that can be poached if we need extra teams for football. And that's before we'd have to go to Kennesaw, or even Liberty. If we asked for applications to join the league as an all sport, we'd get about 30 serious applications, from teams from the Southland, Atlantic Sun, Ohio Valley, Southern, WAC, and possibly even the Missouri Valley and CAA. There are a LOT of teams, that have far better qualifications than Kennesaw or West Florida, that actually WANT to be in our league. And that's not just FCS schools looking to move up. The Belt is seen as a desirable league by many schools that don't play, and have no plans to play football.
5) Even after a bad year for us in football, and CUSA having a better than average year, the main source of our instability still is too damn big, and still might just get turned down by most of our members in the future.

The Belt might get even better if it could somehow get rid of Monroe and have Texas State move on (to tighten the footprint). Maybe then they could re-add one of the Florida twins.

That won't tighten the footprint. Texas State is closer to 3 SBC schools than the distance from Miami to Statesboro, which is the closest to Miami.

It's still on the western most extreme. TXST is not close to anyone in the Belt except non-football Arlington. If they left, it would indeed tighten the footprint.