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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(08-23-2017 02:08 PM)panama Wrote:  
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(01-05-2017 01:33 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  That's easy. Coastal Carolina is an example of "being an obvious addition because their overall program has shown the capacity to be very successful across multiple sports."

National Champions in baseball, a strong men's soccer program, decent basketball. It makes sense.

Decent basketball? How many NCAA Tournament wins do they have? Heck, how many appearances?
KSU is a cellar dweller

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The resume is on file. No need to keep the thread alive.
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(11-27-2017 02:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  FCS Playoffs: Kennesaw State defeats Samford

Owls Open Playoffs With 28-17 Victory Over Samford

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Go Owls!!! Join the Sun Belt!
They had like 2k fans their last game with a 9-1record

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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(11-27-2017 04:29 PM)panama Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 02:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  FCS Playoffs: Kennesaw State defeats Samford

Owls Open Playoffs With 28-17 Victory Over Samford

Records still being written by Kennesaw State

Go Owls!!! Join the Sun Belt!
They had like 2k fans their last game with a 9-1record

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Oh Panama...no need to pull straws about attendance numbers. FCS first round playoff games are notorious for being poorly attended. Even GaSouthern had low-ish numbers if you go back and look. Considering that they're in year 3 and were one of a couple lower tiered events going on in the metro Atlanta area, AT THE SAME TIME as a major tier 1 event.... 2k isn't all that bad. In GaState's 3rd year yall definitely pulled your share of < 5k attendance totals. BTW, I'm not advocating that KSU should be in the Sunbelt. Personally they aren't ready for that kind of jump.
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(11-29-2017 12:07 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 04:29 PM)panama Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 02:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  FCS Playoffs: Kennesaw State defeats Samford

Owls Open Playoffs With 28-17 Victory Over Samford

Records still being written by Kennesaw State

Go Owls!!! Join the Sun Belt!
They had like 2k fans their last game with a 9-1record

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Oh Panama...no need to pull straws about attendance numbers. FCS first round playoff games are notorious for being poorly attended. Even GaSouthern had low-ish numbers if you go back and look. Considering that they're in year 3 and were one of a couple lower tiered events going on in the metro Atlanta area, AT THE SAME TIME as a major tier 1 event.... 2k isn't all that bad. In GaState's 3rd year yall definitely pulled your share of < 5k attendance totals. BTW, I'm not advocating that KSU should be in the Sunbelt. Personally they aren't ready for that kind of jump.

Your last sentence is the only thing that is important. Unfortunately FJ doe not understand that or is possibly the greatest realignment trol in world history.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(11-27-2017 04:29 PM)panama Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 02:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  FCS Playoffs: Kennesaw State defeats Samford

Owls Open Playoffs With 28-17 Victory Over Samford

Records still being written by Kennesaw State

Go Owls!!! Join the Sun Belt!
They had like 2k fans their last game with a 9-1record

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They're a better FCS team than the one you lost to, and they certainly couldn't do a worse job filling that baseball stadium than you do. Maybe the Sun Belt should have been a little more patient and called up the better Atlanta area option.
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(11-29-2017 11:19 AM)panama Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 12:07 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 04:29 PM)panama Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 02:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  FCS Playoffs: Kennesaw State defeats Samford

Owls Open Playoffs With 28-17 Victory Over Samford

Records still being written by Kennesaw State

Go Owls!!! Join the Sun Belt!
They had like 2k fans their last game with a 9-1record

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Oh Panama...no need to pull straws about attendance numbers. FCS first round playoff games are notorious for being poorly attended. Even GaSouthern had low-ish numbers if you go back and look. Considering that they're in year 3 and were one of a couple lower tiered events going on in the metro Atlanta area, AT THE SAME TIME as a major tier 1 event.... 2k isn't all that bad. In GaState's 3rd year yall definitely pulled your share of < 5k attendance totals. BTW, I'm not advocating that KSU should be in the Sunbelt. Personally they aren't ready for that kind of jump.

Your last sentence is the only thing that is important. Unfortunately FJ doe not understand that or is possibly the greatest realignment trol in world history.

Now that is funny. Panama calling somebody a troll. Let's face it Panama you are proudly opinionated. Which is cool. You need to back off the my school is better than your school stick. Kennesaw State will be/is a great rival for Georgia State.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(11-29-2017 01:58 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 11:19 AM)panama Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 12:07 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 04:29 PM)panama Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 02:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  FCS Playoffs: Kennesaw State defeats Samford

Owls Open Playoffs With 28-17 Victory Over Samford

Records still being written by Kennesaw State

Go Owls!!! Join the Sun Belt!
They had like 2k fans their last game with a 9-1record

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Oh Panama...no need to pull straws about attendance numbers. FCS first round playoff games are notorious for being poorly attended. Even GaSouthern had low-ish numbers if you go back and look. Considering that they're in year 3 and were one of a couple lower tiered events going on in the metro Atlanta area, AT THE SAME TIME as a major tier 1 event.... 2k isn't all that bad. In GaState's 3rd year yall definitely pulled your share of < 5k attendance totals. BTW, I'm not advocating that KSU should be in the Sunbelt. Personally they aren't ready for that kind of jump.

Your last sentence is the only thing that is important. Unfortunately FJ doe not understand that or is possibly the greatest realignment trol in world history.

Now that is funny. Panama calling somebody a troll. Let's face it Panama you are proudly opinionated. Which is cool. You need to back off the my school is better than your school stick. Kennesaw State will be/is a great rival for Georgia State.

There some non-conference battles coming up? This is getting tiresome knowing that there is no desire to expand in the Sun Belt.

I personally think this whole thing is a troll job. If it were about FBS or was a thread about CUSA and Sun Belt I might believe there is sincerity but looks like a troll job to me as is.
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(11-29-2017 11:19 AM)panama Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 12:07 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 04:29 PM)panama Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 02:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  FCS Playoffs: Kennesaw State defeats Samford

Owls Open Playoffs With 28-17 Victory Over Samford

Records still being written by Kennesaw State

Go Owls!!! Join the Sun Belt!
They had like 2k fans their last game with a 9-1record

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Oh Panama...no need to pull straws about attendance numbers. FCS first round playoff games are notorious for being poorly attended. Even GaSouthern had low-ish numbers if you go back and look. Considering that they're in year 3 and were one of a couple lower tiered events going on in the metro Atlanta area, AT THE SAME TIME as a major tier 1 event.... 2k isn't all that bad. In GaState's 3rd year yall definitely pulled your share of < 5k attendance totals. BTW, I'm not advocating that KSU should be in the Sunbelt. Personally they aren't ready for that kind of jump.

Your last sentence is the only thing that is important. Unfortunately FJ doe not understand that or is possibly the greatest realignment trol in world history.

+1 to all of this
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(11-29-2017 01:58 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 11:19 AM)panama Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 12:07 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 04:29 PM)panama Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 02:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  FCS Playoffs: Kennesaw State defeats Samford

Owls Open Playoffs With 28-17 Victory Over Samford

Records still being written by Kennesaw State

Go Owls!!! Join the Sun Belt!
They had like 2k fans their last game with a 9-1record

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Oh Panama...no need to pull straws about attendance numbers. FCS first round playoff games are notorious for being poorly attended. Even GaSouthern had low-ish numbers if you go back and look. Considering that they're in year 3 and were one of a couple lower tiered events going on in the metro Atlanta area, AT THE SAME TIME as a major tier 1 event.... 2k isn't all that bad. In GaState's 3rd year yall definitely pulled your share of < 5k attendance totals. BTW, I'm not advocating that KSU should be in the Sunbelt. Personally they aren't ready for that kind of jump.

Your last sentence is the only thing that is important. Unfortunately FJ doe not understand that or is possibly the greatest realignment trol in world history.

Now that is funny. Panama calling somebody a troll. Let's face it Panama you are proudly opinionated. Which is cool. You need to back off the my school is better than your school stick. Kennesaw State will be/is a great rival for Georgia State.
This is also true. I think that if GaState and KSU somehow managed to be rivals, it would overall make both programs better.
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(11-29-2017 12:56 PM)2Buck Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 04:29 PM)panama Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 02:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  FCS Playoffs: Kennesaw State defeats Samford

Owls Open Playoffs With 28-17 Victory Over Samford

Records still being written by Kennesaw State

Go Owls!!! Join the Sun Belt!
They had like 2k fans their last game with a 9-1record

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They're a better FCS team than the one you lost to, and they certainly couldn't do a worse job filling that baseball stadium than you do. Maybe the Sun Belt should have been a little more patient and called up the better Atlanta area option.

Their 8300 seat stadium has been 1/3 to 1/2 full for 2 years. And no we have never had attendance that bad. FloridaJag's love for KSU and UNF is borderline psychotic. Does KSU even have a football building? We are talking about a school that has zero ability or desire to move up. They do not have a funding mechanism to get them to FBS under the state's new 65% subsidy cap model. You either do not know what you are talking about or..ok that was the only option on the table.
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(11-29-2017 03:12 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 01:58 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 11:19 AM)panama Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 12:07 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 04:29 PM)panama Wrote:  They had like 2k fans their last game with a 9-1record

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Oh Panama...no need to pull straws about attendance numbers. FCS first round playoff games are notorious for being poorly attended. Even GaSouthern had low-ish numbers if you go back and look. Considering that they're in year 3 and were one of a couple lower tiered events going on in the metro Atlanta area, AT THE SAME TIME as a major tier 1 event.... 2k isn't all that bad. In GaState's 3rd year yall definitely pulled your share of < 5k attendance totals. BTW, I'm not advocating that KSU should be in the Sunbelt. Personally they aren't ready for that kind of jump.

Your last sentence is the only thing that is important. Unfortunately FJ doe not understand that or is possibly the greatest realignment trol in world history.

Now that is funny. Panama calling somebody a troll. Let's face it Panama you are proudly opinionated. Which is cool. You need to back off the my school is better than your school stick. Kennesaw State will be/is a great rival for Georgia State.
This is also true. I think that if GaState and KSU somehow managed to be rivals, it would overall make both programs better.
They would make a better peer and rival to GS. :D
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If North Florida adds football? They could play in the pro stadium. Sun Belt would grab them before Kennesaw State.
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(11-30-2017 01:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If North Florida adds football? They could play in the pro stadium. Sun Belt would grab them before Kennesaw State.

Why?

Everyone keeps telling us the Sun Belt should add these random ass teams.

Sun Belt is in the sweet spot of CFP revenue sharing with 10 for football.
In other sports UALR and UTA make the travel work smoothly.
I need only look at 14 member CUSA to conclude that adding another football team will not increase the Sun Belt's media revenue so it will cost us money on the media side to add a team.
Based on what I see going on in basketball. Adding a team will reduce per member NCAA basketball revenue.

No one has remotely made the case for Northeastsouthwest Florida Tech or Cannonball State having such value that we should PAY to add them because that is what happens if the Sun Belt expands. We reduce our revenue and essentially pay to get a new school.

What's the pro for the Sun Belt? Synergistic upward social media hydrid fusion trends???
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(11-30-2017 09:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 01:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If North Florida adds football? They could play in the pro stadium. Sun Belt would grab them before Kennesaw State.

Why?

Everyone keeps telling us the Sun Belt should add these random ass teams.

Sun Belt is in the sweet spot of CFP revenue sharing with 10 for football.
In other sports UALR and UTA make the travel work smoothly.
I need only look at 14 member CUSA to conclude that adding another football team will not increase the Sun Belt's media revenue so it will cost us money on the media side to add a team.
Based on what I see going on in basketball. Adding a team will reduce per member NCAA basketball revenue.

No one has remotely made the case for Northeastsouthwest Florida Tech or Cannonball State having such value that we should PAY to add them because that is what happens if the Sun Belt expands. We reduce our revenue and essentially pay to get a new school.

What's the pro for the Sun Belt? Synergistic upward social media hydrid fusion trends???

This is what we got for rescuing Idaho...the assumption that the Belt is the "Land of Misfit Toys" that are just everyone's 'fall back' option.

1) The Belt doesn't have a problem. We are compact, our footprint makes sense, we optimize our per school revenue, and our bowl slots make sense too.
2) For the first time in a long time (actually ever as a FB conference), the members are largely happy to be here. None of our current members feel that they 'have to leave' to be successful. We know we're all probably going to be with each other for quite some time.
3) There's no real threat to the league for the next couple of years, barring some truly unforeseen events
4) There are any number of fall back teams that can be poached if we need extra teams for football. And that's before we'd have to go to Kennesaw, or even Liberty. If we asked for applications to join the league as an all sport, we'd get about 30 serious applications, from teams from the Southland, Atlantic Sun, Ohio Valley, Southern, WAC, and possibly even the Missouri Valley and CAA. There are a LOT of teams, that have far better qualifications than Kennesaw or West Florida, that actually WANT to be in our league. And that's not just FCS schools looking to move up. The Belt is seen as a desirable league by many schools that don't play, and have no plans to play football.
5) Even after a bad year for us in football, and CUSA having a better than average year, the main source of our instability still is too damn big, and still might just get turned down by most of our members in the future.
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(11-30-2017 10:55 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 09:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 01:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If North Florida adds football? They could play in the pro stadium. Sun Belt would grab them before Kennesaw State.

Why?

Everyone keeps telling us the Sun Belt should add these random ass teams.

Sun Belt is in the sweet spot of CFP revenue sharing with 10 for football.
In other sports UALR and UTA make the travel work smoothly.
I need only look at 14 member CUSA to conclude that adding another football team will not increase the Sun Belt's media revenue so it will cost us money on the media side to add a team.
Based on what I see going on in basketball. Adding a team will reduce per member NCAA basketball revenue.

No one has remotely made the case for Northeastsouthwest Florida Tech or Cannonball State having such value that we should PAY to add them because that is what happens if the Sun Belt expands. We reduce our revenue and essentially pay to get a new school.

What's the pro for the Sun Belt? Synergistic upward social media hydrid fusion trends???

This is what we got for rescuing Idaho...the assumption that the Belt is the "Land of Misfit Toys" that are just everyone's 'fall back' option.

1) The Belt doesn't have a problem. We are compact, our footprint makes sense, we optimize our per school revenue, and our bowl slots make sense too.
2) For the first time in a long time (actually ever as a FB conference), the members are largely happy to be here. None of our current members feel that they 'have to leave' to be successful. We know we're all probably going to be with each other for quite some time.
3) There's no real threat to the league for the next couple of years, barring some truly unforeseen events
4) There are any number of fall back teams that can be poached if we need extra teams for football. And that's before we'd have to go to Kennesaw, or even Liberty. If we asked for applications to join the league as an all sport, we'd get about 30 serious applications, from teams from the Southland, Atlantic Sun, Ohio Valley, Southern, WAC, and possibly even the Missouri Valley and CAA. There are a LOT of teams, that have far better qualifications than Kennesaw or West Florida, that actually WANT to be in our league. And that's not just FCS schools looking to move up. The Belt is seen as a desirable league by many schools that don't play, and have no plans to play football.
5) Even after a bad year for us in football, and CUSA having a better than average year, the main source of our instability still is too damn big, and still might just get turned down by most of our members in the future.

I have factored all inputs above and Kennesaw State has the most ups. If North Florida starts football, it would square a nice footprint and be great for everybody especially Ga Southern and Coastal Carolina. West Florida is playing football now and in its second year. UWF is playing in the Div II semifinal this weekend.

Kennesaw State is in its third year and just beat Samford in the first round of the FCS playoffs.

Both Kennesaw State and West Florida have very impressive resumes for programs less than 4 years old.

I believe the SBC should add Kennesaw State when UTA adds football. Then look to add UWF and UNF at a later date.

SBC East

Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Kennesaw State
Troy


SBC West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
South Alabama
Texas Arlington
Texas State


SBC East part deux

Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Kennesaw State
North Florida
Troy


SBC West part deux
Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
South Alabama
West Florida
Texas Arlington
Texas State

Designated rivals:

Appalachian State /Arkansas State
Coastal Carolina / Louisiana Monroe
Georgia State / Texas Arlington
Georgia Southern / Louisiana Lafayette
Kennesaw State / Texas State
South Alabama / Troy
North Florida/West Florida

That looks pretty good and profitable with a tight footprint.
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(11-30-2017 09:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 01:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If North Florida adds football? They could play in the pro stadium. Sun Belt would grab them before Kennesaw State.

Why?

Everyone keeps telling us the Sun Belt should add these random ass teams.

Sun Belt is in the sweet spot of CFP revenue sharing with 10 for football.
In other sports UALR and UTA make the travel work smoothly.
I need only look at 14 member CUSA to conclude that adding another football team will not increase the Sun Belt's media revenue so it will cost us money on the media side to add a team.
Based on what I see going on in basketball. Adding a team will reduce per member NCAA basketball revenue.

No one has remotely made the case for Northeastsouthwest Florida Tech or Cannonball State having such value that we should PAY to add them because that is what happens if the Sun Belt expands. We reduce our revenue and essentially pay to get a new school.

What's the pro for the Sun Belt? Synergistic upward social media hydrid fusion trends???

North Florida or FGCU could bring the RPI up in basketball. Second, it brings in a state that you guys needed for a while now for Florida to recruit. Third, it is best to be proactive to have a surplus of teams just in case you get raided again. If I go to 12 teams? I would grab Missouri State and North Florida to make it better.
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(11-30-2017 04:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 09:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 01:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If North Florida adds football? They could play in the pro stadium. Sun Belt would grab them before Kennesaw State.

Why?

Everyone keeps telling us the Sun Belt should add these random ass teams.

Sun Belt is in the sweet spot of CFP revenue sharing with 10 for football.
In other sports UALR and UTA make the travel work smoothly.
I need only look at 14 member CUSA to conclude that adding another football team will not increase the Sun Belt's media revenue so it will cost us money on the media side to add a team.
Based on what I see going on in basketball. Adding a team will reduce per member NCAA basketball revenue.

No one has remotely made the case for Northeastsouthwest Florida Tech or Cannonball State having such value that we should PAY to add them because that is what happens if the Sun Belt expands. We reduce our revenue and essentially pay to get a new school.

What's the pro for the Sun Belt? Synergistic upward social media hydrid fusion trends???

North Florida or FGCU could bring the RPI up in basketball. Second, it brings in a state that you guys needed for a while now for Florida to recruit. Third, it is best to be proactive to have a surplus of teams just in case you get raided again. If I go to 12 teams? I would grab Missouri State and North Florida to make it better.

I like MSU but I believe they turned us down or were disinterested.
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(11-30-2017 10:55 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 09:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 01:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If North Florida adds football? They could play in the pro stadium. Sun Belt would grab them before Kennesaw State.

Why?

Everyone keeps telling us the Sun Belt should add these random ass teams.

Sun Belt is in the sweet spot of CFP revenue sharing with 10 for football.
In other sports UALR and UTA make the travel work smoothly.
I need only look at 14 member CUSA to conclude that adding another football team will not increase the Sun Belt's media revenue so it will cost us money on the media side to add a team.
Based on what I see going on in basketball. Adding a team will reduce per member NCAA basketball revenue.

No one has remotely made the case for Northeastsouthwest Florida Tech or Cannonball State having such value that we should PAY to add them because that is what happens if the Sun Belt expands. We reduce our revenue and essentially pay to get a new school.

What's the pro for the Sun Belt? Synergistic upward social media hydrid fusion trends???

This is what we got for rescuing Idaho...the assumption that the Belt is the "Land of Misfit Toys" that are just everyone's 'fall back' option.

1) The Belt doesn't have a problem. We are compact, our footprint makes sense, we optimize our per school revenue, and our bowl slots make sense too.
2) For the first time in a long time (actually ever as a FB conference), the members are largely happy to be here. None of our current members feel that they 'have to leave' to be successful. We know we're all probably going to be with each other for quite some time.
3) There's no real threat to the league for the next couple of years, barring some truly unforeseen events
4) There are any number of fall back teams that can be poached if we need extra teams for football. And that's before we'd have to go to Kennesaw, or even Liberty. If we asked for applications to join the league as an all sport, we'd get about 30 serious applications, from teams from the Southland, Atlantic Sun, Ohio Valley, Southern, WAC, and possibly even the Missouri Valley and CAA. There are a LOT of teams, that have far better qualifications than Kennesaw or West Florida, that actually WANT to be in our league. And that's not just FCS schools looking to move up. The Belt is seen as a desirable league by many schools that don't play, and have no plans to play football.
5) Even after a bad year for us in football, and CUSA having a better than average year, the main source of our instability still is too damn big, and still might just get turned down by most of our members in the future.

I have factored all inputs above and Kennesaw State has the most ups. If North Florida starts football, it would square a nice footprint and be great for everybody especially Ga Southern and Coastal Carolina. West Florida is playing football now and in its second year. UWF is playing in the Div II semifinal this weekend.

Kennesaw State is in its third year and just beat Samford in the first round of the FCS playoffs.

Both Kennesaw State and West Florida have very impressive resumes for programs less than 4 years old.

I believe the SBC should add Kennesaw State when UTA adds football. Then look to add UWF and UNF at a later date.

SBC East

Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Kennesaw State
Troy


SBC West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
South Alabama
Texas Arlington
Texas State


SBC East part deux

Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Kennesaw State
North Florida
Troy


SBC West part deux
Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
South Alabama
West Florida
Texas Arlington
Texas State

Designated rivals:

Appalachian State /Arkansas State
Coastal Carolina / Louisiana Monroe
Georgia State / Texas Arlington
Georgia Southern / Louisiana Lafayette
Kennesaw State / Texas State
South Alabama / Troy
North Florida/West Florida

That looks pretty good and profitable with a tight footprint.

Ok...Divide 1,000,000 by 10
Now...Divide 1,000,000 by 13

Which is higher?

Another one

Divide 1/12
Divide 1/14

Which generates the highest percentage?

So under your plan the remaining schools would receive less money per school and have more teams fighting for a fixed number (1) of NCAA bids. And we'd get no new recruiting footprint, there'd be only marginal reduction of travel costs, and we'd be stuck with schools we don't want to play in our league.

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And you threw UALR out of the league too.

First, you can scream until you're blue in the face.....but if you're proposing UWF in the league, please leave USA off your updated list of schools. Because USA and UWF in the same league isn't happening anytime soon. Want to get rid of UALR? Leave UTA and Arkansas State off your updated list too. Kennesaw? Leave Ga State and Ga Southern off your list.

You don't seem to be able to count very well. You need two-thirds support to either kick someone out or admit anyone. UTA and UALR get full votes in these matters.

There is not one single school in the Belt that would vote for admitting Kennesaw State or UWF. Not one. There are four schools that will never vote to expel UALR, so unless you can figure out how to get UALR into the AAC, you're wasting your time with replacing them.
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