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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-06-2017 10:47 AM)p23570 Wrote:  
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(01-06-2017 10:31 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
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(01-06-2017 10:18 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Remember when Kennesaw St announced football, their President said the Big East was the eventual goal. Obviously that has changed, but FBS seems inevitable down the road. FCS in urban or suburban arenas doesn't work well and Kennesaw's leadership knows that.

FBS may be KSU's long term goal after all it's good to set your goals high. But the time frame we are talking about here is decades away for many reasons. My school's goal may be to become a tier 1 research university but that is years away as well. FBS is full for the time being and that's just the way it is.

There is nothing wrong about aspirational goals. It won't happen tomorrow.

FBS is not full. The P5 is full until it allows more in.

FBS is full for now. When the Big 12 decided to do nothing that closed the door on G5 to P5 movement which is the only thing that will drive FBS expansion save the NCAA creating a way for FCS teams to transition as independents. Basically unless the Big 12 or Sun Belt does an about face on membership FBS is full FOR NOW.
That may not be entirely accurate. Something like the AAC going after a few MW schools could shake things up, especially in the Western US. There are some odd situations like Hawaii, NMSU, Big Sky/MW, etc that could cause change without the Big 12 or Sun Belt doing anything. I personally think a G-5 playoff could make a conference like the Big Sky consider making the jump or have a group of members make the jump.

I understand what you are saying but what would be the impetus for the AAC to expand beyond 12? The AAC already stretches from Connecticut to Texas and adding MW members would make the conference stretch across 3 to 4 time zones. Maybe if a TV partner said we will give you a huge (nearly P5) level raise if you added team x & y from the MW the American would do it but do you really believe that would happen. Playoff money is capped currently at $10 mil per G5 conference and the AAC already has programs good enough to challenge for the Access Bowl each season so again why add?
01-06-2017 11:02 AM
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-06-2017 11:02 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:47 AM)p23570 Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:40 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:31 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:28 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  FBS may be KSU's long term goal after all it's good to set your goals high. But the time frame we are talking about here is decades away for many reasons. My school's goal may be to become a tier 1 research university but that is years away as well. FBS is full for the time being and that's just the way it is.

There is nothing wrong about aspirational goals. It won't happen tomorrow.

FBS is not full. The P5 is full until it allows more in.

FBS is full for now. When the Big 12 decided to do nothing that closed the door on G5 to P5 movement which is the only thing that will drive FBS expansion save the NCAA creating a way for FCS teams to transition as independents. Basically unless the Big 12 or Sun Belt does an about face on membership FBS is full FOR NOW.
That may not be entirely accurate. Something like the AAC going after a few MW schools could shake things up, especially in the Western US. There are some odd situations like Hawaii, NMSU, Big Sky/MW, etc that could cause change without the Big 12 or Sun Belt doing anything. I personally think a G-5 playoff could make a conference like the Big Sky consider making the jump or have a group of members make the jump.

I understand what you are saying but what would be the impetus for the AAC to expand beyond 12? The AAC already stretches from Connecticut to Texas and adding MW members would make the conference stretch across 3 to 4 time zones. Maybe if a TV partner said we will give you a huge (nearly P5) level raise if you added team x & y from the MW the American would do it but do you really believe that would happen. Playoff money is capped currently at $10 mil per G5 conference and the AAC already has programs good enough to challenge for the Access Bowl each season so again why add?

Right now they have a very undervalued TV agreement with ESPN. Adding schools might be an opportunity to try and fix that. I also think there are some advantages to adding 4 more and going to pods. I suspect a package of Boise, CSU, Air Force, and New Mexico might be appealing especially with all the armed forces games. By doing that they could effectively kill the MW as a competitor and essentially lock up that access bowl spot most years as a clear cut #6 conference. With new players like Amazon, Google, Twitter, and old players like Fox in play I suspect they could get a nice pay raise as well for their members.

That being said I understand your point and they very well may not add schools as there really is not a huge reason to do so if they are content with waiting out this TV contract.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
Sun Belt Conference is not full. Benson is an idiot like he was with the WAC. Benson helped made the WAC become football-less conference and the continue on not calling up FCS schools to go to 12 or to 14 to be safe would eventually will kill off the SBC.

These are the schools that seemed to be on the list for expansion.

North Florida
West Florida
Jacksonville State
Missouri State
New Mexico State
Lamar
Jackson State
Chattanooga
East Tennessee State
Eastern Kentucky
FGCU
West Florida
Florida A&M
Northern Iowa
James Madison
Delaware
Liberty
Wichita State (including adding football)
Little Rock football
UTA football
Sam Houston State
Texas A&M-Corpus Christie football
Alabama State
North Alabama
Tennessee State
South Carolina-Upstate
Western Carolina (long shot)
Mercer
West Texas A&M might be an option as a package with New Mexico State as a pair.
Youngstown State long shot
Stony Brook
Illinois State
Indiana State
Central Arkansas
Central Oklahoma

There are several good football and basketball schools on that list. Imagine North Alabama and New Mexico State in the same conference? If I remember right? North Alabama was the last D2 school beat an FBS school of New Mexico State. UNA could be an instant success at D2 in the SBC.
I added some D2 schools that could be in the SBC footprint like Central Oklahoma, North Alabama and West Florida.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-06-2017 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Sun Belt Conference is not full. Benson is an idiot like he was with the WAC.



Benson may be an idiot, but not because of this. There is zero support from the Presidents and Chancellors in The Belt to add another program at this time. In fact, they wanted Idaho and NMSU gone. The WAC was torn apart for a few reasons. The Sun Belt isn't going to lose teams to the AAC or the MWC. No Belt team would really move to the CUSA at the moment ($2 million exit and $2 million entry) and the MAC wouldn't want to come this far down either.

The Belt is in a much much better situation than the WAC was, stability wise.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-06-2017 05:55 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Sun Belt Conference is not full. Benson is an idiot like he was with the WAC.



Benson may be an idiot, but not because of this. There is zero support from the Presidents and Chancellors in The Belt to add another program at this time. In fact, they wanted Idaho and NMSU gone. The WAC was torn apart for a few reasons. The Sun Belt isn't going to lose teams to the AAC or the MWC. No Belt team would really move to the CUSA at the moment ($2 million exit and $2 million entry) and the MAC wouldn't want to come this far down either.

The Belt is in a much much better situation than the WAC was, stability wise.


WAC 2.0 what we have with the SBC as well. WAc schools turned their nose up at certain schools when they were willing to join the conference like Lamar. You have schools begging to join SBC right now like Liberty, North Alabama, Jacksonville State, Lamar and Alabama State.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
Why go beyond 10 teams for Football and 12 for Oly? There is no more money in doing so. UNA, Alabama State? Don't be ridiculous.

Let's say the Belt gets raided hard. Unlike the WAC there are dozens of teams that would be willing to make the jump if the conference needed it. It doesn't at the moment. No need to over expand and be stuck with under-performing teams.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-06-2017 06:27 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Why go beyond 10 teams for Football and 12 for Oly? There is no more money in doing so. UNA, Alabama State? Don't be ridiculous.

Let's say the Belt gets raided hard. Unlike the WAC there are dozens of teams that would be willing to make the jump if the conference needed it. It doesn't at the moment. No need to over expand and be stuck with under-performing teams.



That is what the WAC schools said. Look where New Mexico State and Idaho wound up? Same thing could happen to the SBC if they do not expand now. You need to be safe than be sorry or several schools will wind up like New Mexico State and Idaho. SBC presidents and ADs are nothing but idiots, and have not looked at what happened to the WAC.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
I still think there's a good chance UTA restarts football in the not too distant future. Not sure that the Razorbacks will ever let Little Rock get a FBS team though. If the Sun Belt did lose a team or two, I think they put pressure on the two non-football schools to start football before they look into new schools.

Depending on which school(s) left could also greatly determine where an expansion candidate would be most likely to come from. Adding another Alabama school while already having two would be foolish now, but if South Alabama or Troy left that could greatly change the chances for Jacksonville Staye for example. Kennesaw State could very well be a good candidate to replace a departing Georgia State, but is a lot less likely with Georgia State still in the conference.
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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-06-2017 09:44 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
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(01-05-2017 03:20 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Kennesaw State is in the greater Atlanta Metro area. In the rich northwestern suburbs. 37k students. Natural rivals to Appy State, Georgia State, and Georgia Southern.. Beautiful campus, success in all sports, on campus football stadium. Kennesaw State has huge, huge upside.
Natural rivals? A lot of people who don't live in Georgia on this thread. LOL

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RE: Kennesaw State should be in the Sun Belt Conference
(01-06-2017 06:42 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
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(01-05-2017 01:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Says the guy whose school has a great football program, but a poor market. 03-thumbsup

That's sort of the point Mpls. The power of the SBC right now. The Schools that you would contact if you were really interested to join and try to get them on your side are located in Jonesboro, AR, Boone, NC, Statesboro, GA, Troy, AL, and Lafayette, LA.

None of those are exactly booming metropolises

There are maybe a few teams in FCS who could probably call the SBC right now and would even get token support to join. UT Chatanooga and Missouri State probably top those lists, maybe JMU if they begged. Wichita State maybe but only if they brought their Olympic Sports. Any FCS schools based in Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, North Carolina. or named Liberty are all blocked in all likelihood.


Little Rock businessmen would love to have more games on Saturdays, but they are having troubles getting University of Little Rock to add the football as a sport. SBC could do an exchange with Southland by sending Little Rock over, and adding Central Arkansas who could play some home games at War Memorial Stadium.

That love so far doesn't extend to finding the money to make football possible at UALR.

They want AState to play games there and have as yet not put forward anything enticing.

When Mizzou was coming to Jonesboro, St. Louis offered AState $1.5 million to play at Bush Stadium, Kansas City offered $2 million and Little Rock offered to cut the stadium rent to $7500.
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