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Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
...start trying to talk to Oklahoma and look at pulling the trigger and inviting them

The PAC 12 would do well to go ahead and add some beef to the mix. They are a good conference, but they need to be on the same footing with the B1G, SEC, and ACC

Ideally you want Texas and Oklahoma, and maybe talk with them over the next year or two, but if Texas isn't interested, go after Oklahoma for #13

You could move Utah to the north, and look at getting Oklahoma a Texas team to pair with

PAC 12 South
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Oklahoma
Texas team


PAC 12 North
Stanford
Cal
Oregon
Oregon St.
Washington
Washington St.
Utah
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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
Pac 12 should stick with 12!. Its the best number.
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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
(01-03-2017 11:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  Pac 12 should stick with 12!. Its the best number.

I kinda disagree. I think we need to get back to having more smaller conferences. Playing a round robin schedule is the way to do it.
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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
It's the best way for Oklahoma to control it's own destiny Although, I don't think they can do anything until the GOR is up. Oklahoma could strike a deal with the Pac-12 to bring the schools it wants. OSU would have to be one. Followed by either Texas Tech and Houston if Texas doesn't want to participate.

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Oklahoma State
Texas or Houston
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Colorado
Utah
Arizona
Arizona State

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Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal
UCLA
USC

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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
(01-03-2017 11:35 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ...start trying to talk to Oklahoma and look at pulling the trigger and inviting them

The PAC 12 would do well to go ahead and add some beef to the mix. They are a good conference, but they need to be on the same footing with the B1G, SEC, and ACC

Ideally you want Texas and Oklahoma, and maybe talk with them over the next year or two, but if Texas isn't interested, go after Oklahoma for #13

You could move Utah to the north, and look at getting Oklahoma a Texas team to pair with

PAC 12 South
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Oklahoma
Texas team


PAC 12 North
Stanford
Cal
Oregon
Oregon St.
Washington
Washington St.
Utah

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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
The PAC 12 should expand eastward, only so that they can gain access into the central time zone and be able to have more broadcast capabilities. If Texas doesn't bite, they could add any combination of Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, Houston, or Texas Tech. BYU, Baylor and SMU would not be considered due to their Private/Religious associations.
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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
Oklahoma would leave *alone* for the Big Ten, Pac-12 or SEC if they could... and all three of those conferences would take Oklahoma *alone* if they could.

The problem is that there simply is no situation where Oklahoma can proactively leave the Big 12 without taking Oklahoma State with them from a political standpoint... and OU isn't at a level where the Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC would want to take on Oklahoma State, too. In theory, OU could leave without OSU if they could convince the politicians that the Big 12 is going to die, but it's a catch-22 because the only way that the Big 12 dies (besides Texas bolting on its own) is if OU leaves. That means that OU can only leave without OSU if Texas decides to leave first... and Texas seems to be content with collecting its LHN paychecks as long as OU is still in the conference.

So, the problem with OU is that they essentially HAVE to be a package deal with Oklahoma State unless Texas is blowing up the Big 12 on its own... and the Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC aren't interested in expanding by *two* with Oklahoma State. (Expanding by two with Oklahoma and Kansas would be a different story - all 3 of those P5 leagues would certainly be very interested in that scenario.) In either event, OU can't be "proactive" on its own - they're dependent upon Texas leaving the Big 12 first and/or finding a league that's willing to take on Oklahoma State in a package deal.
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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
If someone -- T. Boone Pickens, perhaps -- could convince the SEC brass that Oklahoma State, by itself, is a school that could generate revenue for the conference, then OU could safely go to the PAC-12 or B1G with political cover.

Frankly, the SEC is the only conference that could absorb the Cowboys program and still generate revenue.

That's the only way OU is moving alone.
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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
I do not see many options. I don't see them going east(Big XII collapse aside). That leaves Western schools.

If BYU is automatically eliminated, then the only logical conclusion is Hawai'i, after that there are thin options outside of New Mexico, and that is a stretch...

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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
Go back to the PCC days, invite Idaho and Montana (sarcasm). Although I do chuckle when I think to how that used to be a thing.
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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
The Pac 12 needs "population" to sell their network to subscribers.

Pac 12 South
Texas
Houston
SMU
Oklahoma
Arizona
Arizona State
Southern Cal
UCLA

Pac 12 North
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
California
Utah
Colorado
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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
(01-03-2017 02:13 PM)chess Wrote:  The Pac 12 needs "population" to sell their network to subscribers.

Pac 12 South
Texas
Houston
SMU
Oklahoma
Arizona
Arizona State
Southern Cal
UCLA

Pac 12 North
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
California
Utah
Colorado

I agree they do need population. I am sure the haters will come out, but I like this. If they can't poach Big12 teams look at NM, Nevada, UNLV, or Tulsa to make 16.
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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
(01-03-2017 12:44 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(01-03-2017 11:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  Pac 12 should stick with 12!. Its the best number.

I kinda disagree. I think we need to get back to having more smaller conferences. Playing a round robin schedule is the way to do it.

9 out of 11 still gets nearly everyone on the schedule each year with the rest pretty frequent.

And you do get everyone in basketball.

Also helps in non-rev sports getting enough schools to compete.
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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
(01-03-2017 12:44 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(01-03-2017 11:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  Pac 12 should stick with 12!. Its the best number.

I kinda disagree. I think we need to get back to having more smaller conferences. Playing a round robin schedule is the way to do it.

I prefer smaller conferences, too. Unfortunately, getting smaller isn't an option. Conferences can only add schools, they can't subtract them. Unless somebody leaves voluntarily, they are yours forever.

Without Texas and Oklahoma, I doubt the PAC could come up with the votes to add anybody.
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(01-03-2017 01:31 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Oklahoma would leave *alone* for the Big Ten, Pac-12 or SEC if they could... and all three of those conferences would take Oklahoma *alone* if they could.

The problem is that there simply is no situation where Oklahoma can proactively leave the Big 12 without taking Oklahoma State with them from a political standpoint... and OU isn't at a level where the Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC would want to take on Oklahoma State, too. In theory, OU could leave without OSU if they could convince the politicians that the Big 12 is going to die, but it's a catch-22 because the only way that the Big 12 dies (besides Texas bolting on its own) is if OU leaves. That means that OU can only leave without OSU if Texas decides to leave first... and Texas seems to be content with collecting its LHN paychecks as long as OU is still in the conference.

So, the problem with OU is that they essentially HAVE to be a package deal with Oklahoma State unless Texas is blowing up the Big 12 on its own... and the Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC aren't interested in expanding by *two* with Oklahoma State. (Expanding by two with Oklahoma and Kansas would be a different story - all 3 of those P5 leagues would certainly be very interested in that scenario.) In either event, OU can't be "proactive" on its own - they're dependent upon Texas leaving the Big 12 first and/or finding a league that's willing to take on Oklahoma State in a package deal.

Given the blowback on NU, I'm not sure the Big 10 would invite OU. Given 2011, its not certain the Pac 12 would have the votes to invite OU. The Mountain Time Zone schools don't want their exposure in California diminished.
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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
None of the Big 12 wants the west coast. They are looking eastward to join a conference from the Big 12 stand point.

San Diego State and Boise State is still the PAC 12's radar.
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The Pac 12 ought to make a move for Oklahoma and Oklahoma St and then make overtures that they want into Texas and approach Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and Houston to gauge their interest.

Hopefully the ruse is successful and they draw the Longhorns out. Best case scenario is they get away with only having to expand 16 with Texas and Texas Tech. There's also the chance that Texas insists on bringing 3 instate schools and they get stuck with 18 or that Texas refuses, even at the risk of losing instate rivals and they have to settle with getting into Texas with 2 less than ideal schools.
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RE: Expansion: What the PAC 12 should do...
Let's look at this from a realistic perspective. The conference network has been a disaster so far with no reason to believe it will improve. People on the West coast are just different than people in the rust belt and East coast. Nothing is going to change that. No UNLV, no Boise, no New Mexico, etc.... are going to do much of anything for the conference. None really make any sense unless you count Hawaii as part of Asian expansion.

The one and only thing that could help increase TV numbers in the existing footprint is BYU. But BYU will never be offered membership.

On the bright side the West coast is really good at utilizing technology and media so the product is available on many platforms including regional networks for each school or state. Even on Sling I get like 6 PACN channels. Essentially they are ahead of the game with streaming but that does not have any financial benefits right now.

What would really help PACN is to have some rabid fanbases. I'm talking 10k people at a women's basketball game rabid. 20k people for a mens BB game rabid. 90k people at football games rabid. Those are what the PAC is missing, real fanbases. Those people are what can force Direc TV to make a deal.

The only rabid fan bases nearby are in the Big 12. Who happens to not have a network but wants one badly.

So the only way to drastically increase viewer numbers in the existing footprint is to put BYU content on the PACN. But since the existing members won't ever add BYU then the next best thing is for the Big 12 to add BYU. Then the final piece of the puzzle is some really valuable content for a conference network in the Eastern time zone. Content that has good TV ratings. Welcome UConn to the Big 12.

So at this point the Big 12 has just added content consisting of around 14 home FB games with games like (BYU/Texas, BYU/OU, 40 BB games with games like (BYU/KU, BYU/UConn), 40 WBB games including (Baylor/UConn and UConn/BYU). Plus other stuff for networks like volleyball, lacrosse, soccer, hockey, etc... and a CCG. Plus many of the t-3 deals will be coming up soon.

At this point the PAC 12 and Big 12 make a deal to share the network combining the technology of the west coast with the ugly retarded overweight rabid fans in TexOKansiowagina and beyond who will rip the dish off the trailer of they dont' get to watch the game. The added benefit of BYU in the West along with Central and Eastern time zone content boosts viewership as the top conference in 2/3 of the country and direct tv has no choice but to pay up. Conference has viewers from LA to NY and with no middleman (FOX/ESPN) they profit much like everyone else is doing these days with conference networks.

The next best alternative for the PAC is to offer membership to 5 the old Big 8 members and 1 more of TT/TCU/Houston/Rice. Go to 3 divisions. In that scenario OU is the the top dog in FB and KU in BB and little brothers get to come along. Best scenario from a political standpoint so Bren can say he tried everything but had no choice but to put OU in a better situation.
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(01-03-2017 05:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  None of the Big 12 wants the west coast. They are looking eastward to join a conference from the Big 12 stand point.

San Diego State and Boise State is still the PAC 12's radar.

Stanford, Cal, Washington, and UCLA will never, ever, ever be full members of a conference with Boise. Wrestling is one thing, full membership is totally different. Academically elite might turn up thier noses at the Taco Tech's, OSU, ans KSU's of the world but Boise is well below that much closer to community college level academics and endowment below 100 million.
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(01-03-2017 03:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-03-2017 01:31 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Oklahoma would leave *alone* for the Big Ten, Pac-12 or SEC if they could... and all three of those conferences would take Oklahoma *alone* if they could.

The problem is that there simply is no situation where Oklahoma can proactively leave the Big 12 without taking Oklahoma State with them from a political standpoint... and OU isn't at a level where the Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC would want to take on Oklahoma State, too. In theory, OU could leave without OSU if they could convince the politicians that the Big 12 is going to die, but it's a catch-22 because the only way that the Big 12 dies (besides Texas bolting on its own) is if OU leaves. That means that OU can only leave without OSU if Texas decides to leave first... and Texas seems to be content with collecting its LHN paychecks as long as OU is still in the conference.

So, the problem with OU is that they essentially HAVE to be a package deal with Oklahoma State unless Texas is blowing up the Big 12 on its own... and the Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC aren't interested in expanding by *two* with Oklahoma State. (Expanding by two with Oklahoma and Kansas would be a different story - all 3 of those P5 leagues would certainly be very interested in that scenario.) In either event, OU can't be "proactive" on its own - they're dependent upon Texas leaving the Big 12 first and/or finding a league that's willing to take on Oklahoma State in a package deal.

Given the blowback on NU, I'm not sure the Big 10 would invite OU. Given 2011, its not certain the Pac 12 would have the votes to invite OU. The Mountain Time Zone schools don't want their exposure in California diminished.

Nebraska would welcome Oklahoma.
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