(01-01-2017 12:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 12:11 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  I agree with divisions but only after expansion.

North: Cincinnati, Temple, UConn, Memphis, East Carolina, VCU, DAYTON
South: South Florida, Central Florida, Southern Methodist, Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, WICHITA STATE

20 conference games, play everyone in the division twice, 1 mirrored game, and the other opposite opponents once. Divisions are somewhat balance and regional. 14 team conference will earn 4 to 7 tournaments bids every season.

I have the feeling of de ja vu... I wonder why?

Oh yeah... The original CUSA: Red, White, and Blue Basketball divisions.

Definition of Insanity--Doing the same thing over and over again the same way but expecting different results.

Let's NOT DO:
-CUSA
-Big East

They didn't work then, they aren't going to work now.

Except for the fact that C-USA actually received an average of four teams a year with higher seeds. If you want to actually send around 4 to 6 teams to the NCAA tournament and another two to three to NIT every year then you expand the league. Divisions work if you can protect your best teams and rivalry games.

C-USA V.1 was a better basketball league than the American. While Louisville was down for a good part of that time frame, the American is dealing with UConn, Temple, and Memphis playing below the recent reputations. Bringing in three good basketball programs helps fill in the gaps when teams have down years.

(01-01-2017 12:57 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 11:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 11:34 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Dumb ass idea. This is a relegation system. It's bull **** and bad for attendance. I would rather go Indy then put up with that shullbit

we have to do this to protect the good bball schools from getting dragged down by you crap ones...its already happening (see UCONN, Memphis, etc.)

I don't want to see UCF, ECU, Tulane, etc. twice a year and most of the time the RPI's are KILLERS for teams that annually make the ncaa like UC, UCONN, Memphis, etc.

sorry, but that's the price these teams should pay for sucking in hoops



Case in point: UC's RPI is up to #21. We play Tulane today. Even if we crush them, I hope our RPI doesn't drop down into the 30's.

Ucf is in first place right and rpi of 61. They need to let you out of the Diary Whip to watch some ucf games.

I realized that. My divisions were based what happens 'most years'. UCF is usually a dumpsterfire, so you got put in the crap division. Even in the crap division, you can still win the AAC, you can still be good enough to get an at large bid, etc.
The point in this is to keep the 'usual NCAA caliber' programs from playing the crap ones twice a year and KILLING OUR RPI's and NCAA seedings.

(12-31-2016 10:31 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  This should be how basketball splits out:

Add Wichita St...

"Div A"
UC
UCONN
SMU
Memphis
Temple
Wichita St

"Div B"
Tulsa
Houston
UCF
USF
Tulane
ECU

Teams play teams in their own division twice and teams from the other division once.

This way the good teams in the conference are protected a little more.

Discuss

So, if I break this down a bit further BC#1 it is apparent...

Legit NCAA Basketball Programs:
UC
UCONN
SMU
Memphis
Temple
Wichita St

Tweeners:
Houston
Tulsa
USF

Fahgettabout It!:
ECU
Tulane
UCF

^yup

I don't want to play the 'tweeners' or the 'fahgettabout its' twice a year...it KILLS our RPI

I speak for SMU, Temple, Memphis, UCONN, and Wichita St too

(01-01-2017 12:58 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 12:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 12:11 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  I agree with divisions but only after expansion.

North: Cincinnati, Temple, UConn, Memphis, East Carolina, VCU, DAYTON
South: South Florida, Central Florida, Southern Methodist, Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, WICHITA STATE

20 conference games, play everyone in the division twice, 1 mirrored game, and the other opposite opponents once. Divisions are somewhat balance and regional. 14 team conference will earn 4 to 7 tournaments bids every season.

I have the feeling of de ja vu... I wonder why?

Oh yeah... The original CUSA: Red, White, and Blue Basketball divisions.

Definition of Insanity--Doing the same thing over and over again the same way but expecting different results.

Let's NOT DO:
-CUSA
-Big East

They didn't work then, they aren't going to work now.

Except for the fact that C-USA actually received an average of four teams a year with higher seeds. If you want to actually send around 4 to 6 teams to the NCAA tournament and another two to three to NIT every year then you expand the league. Divisions work if you can protect your best teams and rivalry games.

C-USA V.1 was a better basketball league than the American. While Louisville was down for a good part of that time frame, the American is dealing with UConn, Temple, and Memphis playing below the recent reputations. Bringing in three good basketball programs helps fill in the gaps when teams have down years.

I don't disagree that CUSAv1.0 was a better basketball conference. And I don't disagree that we need a couple/few new majors in the conference to buck things up. What I disagree with is:
-Breaking it into (Basketball) Divisions... The Old BE and every other major conference since has shown you can manage up to 16 teams in a single conference without divisions. The old "Red, White, and Blue" divisions in CUSA prevented rivalries from developing since you didn't get to play through the whole conference on a yearly basis. In theory, adding 3 BB schools (1 to counter Navy FB, and 2 others) to get to 14 should be able to be done in a SINGLE division.

-Adding a large number of non-all sports members... The Old BE suffered from divergent interests between the all-sports and non-FB schools. Adding one...or even up to three...non-all sport members is as much as we should go.

-Adding non-like minded/like purpose schools... The heavy MAJORITY of AAC members are larger, public schools. We should look to add schools with a like-composition and like-purpose. Wichita State...OK. VCU...OK. But no to Dayton (they really fit in the BE) or other small, private, and especially parochial schools.

(01-01-2017 01:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 12:58 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 12:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 12:11 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  I agree with divisions but only after expansion.

North: Cincinnati, Temple, UConn, Memphis, East Carolina, VCU, DAYTON
South: South Florida, Central Florida, Southern Methodist, Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, WICHITA STATE

20 conference games, play everyone in the division twice, 1 mirrored game, and the other opposite opponents once. Divisions are somewhat balance and regional. 14 team conference will earn 4 to 7 tournaments bids every season.

I have the feeling of de ja vu... I wonder why?

Oh yeah... The original CUSA: Red, White, and Blue Basketball divisions.

Definition of Insanity--Doing the same thing over and over again the same way but expecting different results.

Let's NOT DO:
-CUSA
-Big East

They didn't work then, they aren't going to work now.

Except for the fact that C-USA actually received an average of four teams a year with higher seeds. If you want to actually send around 4 to 6 teams to the NCAA tournament and another two to three to NIT every year then you expand the league. Divisions work if you can protect your best teams and rivalry games.

C-USA V.1 was a better basketball league than the American. While Louisville was down for a good part of that time frame, the American is dealing with UConn, Temple, and Memphis playing below the recent reputations. Bringing in three good basketball programs helps fill in the gaps when teams have down years.

I don't disagree that CUSAv1.0 was a better basketball conference. And I don't disagree that we need a couple/few new majors in the conference to buck things up. What I disagree with is:
-Breaking it into (Basketball) Divisions... The Old BE and every other major conference since has shown you can manage up to 16 teams in a single conference without divisions. The old "Red, White, and Blue" divisions in CUSA prevented rivalries from developing since you didn't get to play through the whole conference on a yearly basis. In theory, adding 3 BB schools (1 to counter Navy FB, and 2 others) to get to 14 should be able to be done in a SINGLE division.

-Adding a large number of non-all sports members... The Old BE suffered from divergent interests between the all-sports and non-FB schools. Adding one...or even up to three...non-all sport members is as much as we should go.

-Adding non-like minded/like purpose schools... The heavy MAJORITY of AAC members are larger, public schools. We should look to add schools with a like-composition and like-purpose. Wichita State...OK. VCU...OK. But no to Dayton (they really fit in the BE) or other small, private, and especially parochial schools.

we need the divisions because the bottom third of this conference is beyond putrid and I don't want to play teams with RPI's 200-300+ twice every year...it's retarded. The divisions need put in place to basically protect the programs that actually give a crap about men's basketball.

In fact I'd be good with the AAC putting Tulane, ECU, UCF, USF, UH, and Tulsa in their own division and we play only three of them once a year on an every other year rotating basis. It won't happen, but still...

btw I'm not trolling on this topic...I'm serious

its totally unacceptable that UC (or memphis, uconn, temple or SMU) has to play teams like ECU and their clown coach who refuses to schedule, twice a year. If your program is repeatedly in the 250-300+ RPI range because your school doesn't give a crap about basketball, the rest of us that DO care about hoops and invest heavily in hoops shouldn't have to suffer.

I almost would rather go indy in football just to get back into the Big East over this issue.

Almost I said....almost.

latest NCAA projection by Lunardi:

Big East : 6 teams
AAC: 2 teams


that tells you all you need to know

(12-31-2016 10:31 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  This should be how basketball splits out:

Add Wichita St...

"Div A"



UC
UCONN
SMU
Memphis
Temple
Wichita St


"Div B"



Tulsa
Houston
UCF
USF
Tulane
ECU

Teams play teams in their own division twice and teams from the other division once.

This way the good teams in the conference are protected a little more.


Discuss

(01-01-2017 01:43 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  latest NCAA projection by Lunardi:

Big East : 6 teams
AAC: 2 teams


that tells you all you need to know

I couldn't agree more, Happy New Year

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(01-01-2017 01:43 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  latest NCAA projection by Lunardi:

Big East : 6 teams
AAC: 2 teams


that tells you all you need to know

We will likely get 3 out of 11 in the NCAAs. We are hovering around #7 ranked conference. Losing to usf, ecu, or Tulane would be a killer for any team on the bubble. That is the real downside of having as many bad programs because in basketball you will lose some.

There really isn't a great answer outside of adding Wichita State and I would even add 2 more. The bottom of the league needs to really step up. The top of the league like Memphis and UConn need to get back to their traditional self.

Or have no divisions and just schedule as if they were in the football divisions. Own division twice and opposite division once.


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glad UCF and UH seem to be making strides

ECU has to get a new coach

This would be a heck of a bball league:

Big East

Div A
UCONN
UC
Temple
S. Hall
Butler
Providence
Marquette

Div B
Gtown
Xavier
Nova
St. Johns
Wichita St
Creighton
Depaul

Permanent Cross over rivalries
UCONN/Gtown
UC/XU
Temple/Nova
SH/SJU
Butler/Wichita St
Marquette/Creighton
Prov/Depaul

(01-01-2017 01:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 10:31 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  This should be how basketball splits out:

Add Wichita St...

"Div A"
UC
UCONN
SMU
Memphis
Temple
Wichita St

"Div B"
Tulsa
Houston
UCF
USF
Tulane
ECU

Teams play teams in their own division twice and teams from the other division once.

This way the good teams in the conference are protected a little more.

Discuss

So, if I break this down a bit further BC#1 it is apparent...

Legit NCAA Basketball Programs:
UC
UCONN
SMU
Memphis
Temple
Wichita St

Tweeners:
Houston
Tulsa
USF

Fahgettabout It!:
ECU
Tulane
UCF

How does SMU get into the top level over Tulsa? Historically their program is shite compared to Tulsa and recently they haven't even achieved to the level of talent and coaching that they attained through sketchy means.

(01-01-2017 05:19 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 01:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 10:31 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  This should be how basketball splits out:

Add Wichita St...

"Div A"
UC
UCONN
SMU
Memphis
Temple
Wichita St

"Div B"
Tulsa
Houston
UCF
USF
Tulane
ECU

Teams play teams in their own division twice and teams from the other division once.

This way the good teams in the conference are protected a little more.

Discuss

So, if I break this down a bit further BC#1 it is apparent...

Legit NCAA Basketball Programs:
UC
UCONN
SMU
Memphis
Temple
Wichita St

Tweeners:
Houston
Tulsa
USF

Fahgettabout It!:
ECU
Tulane
UCF

How does SMU get into the top level over Tulsa? Historically their program is shite compared to Tulsa and recently they haven't even achieved to the level of talent and coaching that they attained through sketchy means.

Because SMU is better

(01-01-2017 11:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 11:34 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Dumb ass idea. This is a relegation system. It's bull **** and bad for attendance. I would rather go Indy then put up with that shullbit

we have to do this to protect the good bball schools from getting dragged down by you crap ones...its already happening (see UCONN, Memphis, etc.)

I don't want to see UCF, ECU, Tulane, etc. twice a year and most of the time the RPI's are KILLERS for teams that annually make the ncaa like UC, UCONN, Memphis, etc.

sorry, but that's the price these teams should pay for sucking in hoops



Case in point: UC's RPI is up to #21. We play Tulane today. Even if we crush them, I hope our RPI doesn't drop down into the 30's.

I know you are trolling but we have made the tourney in every conference we have been in. So you can blow that up someone else's ass. Memphis played in cusa for a lot of those years.

(01-01-2017 05:47 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 11:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 11:34 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Dumb ass idea. This is a relegation system. It's bull **** and bad for attendance. I would rather go Indy then put up with that shullbit

we have to do this to protect the good bball schools from getting dragged down by you crap ones...its already happening (see UCONN, Memphis, etc.)

I don't want to see UCF, ECU, Tulane, etc. twice a year and most of the time the RPI's are KILLERS for teams that annually make the ncaa like UC, UCONN, Memphis, etc.

sorry, but that's the price these teams should pay for sucking in hoops



Case in point: UC's RPI is up to #21. We play Tulane today. Even if we crush them, I hope our RPI doesn't drop down into the 30's.

I know you are trolling but we have made the tourney in every conference we have been in. So you can blow that up someone else's ass. Memphis played in cusa for a lot of those years.

no i'm no trolling...the AAC lower 1/3 sucks and the RPI's are killing us good teams

LOL you 'made the tourney in every conference you've been in' that's nice...ur program sucks and is small time



UCF NCAA History
0-4 in 4 appearances

THAT SUCKS

I like it. Keep the divisions for football.

Both UCs might be able to beat Wichita State.

(01-01-2017 01:17 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 12:57 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 11:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 11:34 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  Dumb ass idea. This is a relegation system. It's bull **** and bad for attendance. I would rather go Indy then put up with that shullbit

we have to do this to protect the good bball schools from getting dragged down by you crap ones...its already happening (see UCONN, Memphis, etc.)

I don't want to see UCF, ECU, Tulane, etc. twice a year and most of the time the RPI's are KILLERS for teams that annually make the ncaa like UC, UCONN, Memphis, etc.

sorry, but that's the price these teams should pay for sucking in hoops



Case in point: UC's RPI is up to #21. We play Tulane today. Even if we crush them, I hope our RPI doesn't drop down into the 30's.

Ucf is in first place right and rpi of 61. They need to let you out of the Diary Whip to watch some ucf games.

I realized that. My divisions were based what happens 'most years'. UCF is usually a dumpsterfire, so you got put in the crap division. Even in the crap division, you can still win the AAC, you can still be good enough to get an at large bid, etc.
The point in this is to keep the 'usual NCAA caliber' programs from playing the crap ones twice a year and KILLING OUR RPI's and NCAA seedings.

So you want us to kill our rpis for you and artificially inflate your own by keeping the "brands" together. What's the difference between that and p5 bull****. The last few years under Donnie sucked but we played well before that. You can kiss our collected rears on that idea. We all thought uc football was going to carry the conference as well right.