(01-06-2017 09:35 AM)Jacque Wrote:  The idea of earning it is laughable!

There are any number of P5 schools that are riding on the coattails and have done nothing to EARN that right. They were just fortunate to have joined these conferences prior to the explosion in money and are living off that money that they did not EARN.

Even without the dollars generated by TV contracts, there are several CUSA teams that would perform better than many P5 teams. And joining a P5 league would enable those teams to do even better because they would be able to recruit better athletes due to additional exposure.

I content that WKU and La Tech are better football teams now (which is all that should matter) than WF, Purdue, Illinois, Kansas, Iowa State, Vandy, Rutgers and BC, all of whom are cashing giant checks that they did not EARN.

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PJ Fleck reportedly going to Minnesota.

(01-06-2017 09:54 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  PJ Fleck reportedly going to Minnesota.

Yup. Just another reason moving up in the world as a program is so difficult.

(01-03-2017 03:30 AM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  I have to ask Fitbud, why are you even on this forum?

Because we don't have moderators who are worth anything? He's only here to put us down, and that is apparently okay.

(01-06-2017 04:10 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-03-2017 03:30 AM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  I have to ask Fitbud, why are you even on this forum?

Because we don't have moderators who are worth anything? He's only here to put us down, and that is apparently okay.

And a fan of "PAC 12 University".... wherever the hell that is...

Quote:1. There are teams that are "worthy" now, but the P5 conferences don't want to expand. They don't want more competition in recruiting, much less on the field. They are much happier running their little monopoly right now and keeping their competition (us) down. This is not a meritocracy, which is unfortunate because Kansas, Iowa State, etc would have been replaced by G5 teams years ago if it were.

But that is factually incorrect because every single P5 school has expanded repeatedly over the passed 20 years.

Quote:2. But why do they have the facilities and the teams? Because they were good 50, 60, 70 years ago and started a monopoly. They were able to build themselves up in tradition, money, facilities, etc. because no one else had them, either. But considering that the P5 now have these things, plus the fact that the G5 teams get next to zero coverage in the media, means that G5 schools who want to make it to that level have a much steeper hill to climb because they have to compete with schools that get money and recruits now because they had a good team before our parents were born.

P5 schools get the lions share of the attention and the money because they have been doing it longer at a high level. How on earth can you justify G5 schools a piece of the action that they did nothing to contribute to?

Quote:3. College basketball is pretty popular, especially come March. And why does no one want to see us? Because they know nothing about us because no one will talk about us. We're lucky to get one? No, we deserve it every bit as much as the P5 teams do. From an official NCAA standpoint, we're all FBS. P5 vs G5 is not an official distinction.

You have to understand that these sports are driven by the casual fan and not the die hards. The casual fan doesn't want to spend time figuring out what conference La. Tech is from or where Western Kentucky is located. They just want to see names they recognize play against each other. You might not think it's fair but that's the reality.

Quote:4. ...because they have a monopoly and don't give us a chance to compete.

Factually incorrect. If they had a monopoly, there wouldn't be a G5 and they wouldn't let them compete. The opposite is true. G5 schools have the same opportunity to compete for TV funds and to play in bowl games and the NCAA tournament.

Quote:5. BUT THAT'S THE POINT! WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE THINGS. But the P5 don't want to give us a chance. Hell, the whole "P5" term is only a few years old. Before the BCS and the short-lived predecessors to it, that distinction wasn't made, at least not formally. Again, from an official NCAA standpoint, we are all FBS teams.

I cannot argue with someone who starts from a position where they believe that you should be given other people's money. That's just ridiculous. That's never going to happen. no P5 school is going to build you a stadium or field a team for you. It's complete fantasy. Why would you even waste brain sells arguing that you would be a P5 if they just gave you their money. It's beyond me.

Quote:Here's the thing. You say we "need to earn it." Thing is, no one gives us a chance to earn it. We have to work 10000% harder than the P5 schools do.

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That's life. Look, these schools invested in their programs way back when it wasn't profitable. Their ship came in and now they are making the money. They deserve it. You aren't going to be given anything. You are lucky they give you what you have now.

If you want what they have, invest in women's basketball or soccer or something else and maybe 50 years down the road, you're conference will be the best and then you can dictate who gets what.

Most of these p5 school have been playing football and basketball for 100 years. They deserve what they have. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have college sports.

(01-04-2017 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Once again. Yes, you may be able to win a game here and there against the bottom of the barrel p5 school but it is nothing compared to doing it week in and week out.


Come on man. Why cant you guys just be happen being G5 there is nothing wrong with that league.

I cannot think of another situation where they let the champion of a lesser league play a game against a top team of the power league.


That's like letting Alabama play if the NFL playoffs.


You guys really have nothing to complain about.

Ok, I know this is none of my business but you are not being very honest about some of this. If WKU had gotten busted doing half of what Penn St.,North Carolina,or Miami had done they would be out of football or basketball for two years. Meanwhile we just ignore the absolute abominations that went down at these programs. Just C'MON MAN. SMDH.

1. I'm assuming you meant "every P5 conference." And yes, they have expanded. But who did they take in? For the most part, other P5 schools just moved to other conferences. There were a few exceptions, but not many. The Big XII had the opportunity to take in very deserving G5 schools, but decided they didn't want the extra competition (Mike Gundy said that out loud).

2. You're missing the point. P5 schools are good now because they had good teams years ago and now they've just been riding on that success. They don't have to work for their name or success anymore.

3. "The schools they recognize." That's the point. If we got even some of the same coverage that the Privileged 5 do, they would recognize us, too. Plus, everyone, especially casuals, love an underdog or Cinderella story. Coastal Carolina did that in the CWS last year. Football doesn't give us that opportunity.

4. That is a laughable statement. We can't compete as long as the media treats us as second class citizens not worthy of even mentioning. Even during G5 games, they spend halftime talking about the P5. If they talked about us half as much as they do the P5, then we could talk about having the same opportunities.

5. At NO POINT has anyone said that the P5 should just give us money. That's not what we're saying. We're saying that if we had the same opportunities to make the amount of money the P5 does, we could compete with anyone.

Quote:If you want what they have, invest in women's basketball or soccer or something else and maybe 50 years down the road, you're conference will be the best and then you can dictate who gets what.

Oh yeah? The Louisiana Tech Lady Techsters are one of the most storied and successful women's basketball programs in NCAA history. We have been on some down years recently, but we still have the 3rd winningest program, one of only four in the nation to win over 1000 games. The Lady Techsters have 3 national titles (including the first ever NCAA Women's Tournament) and attended every NCAA tournament until 2007. We maintained a rivalry with Pat Summit's Lady Vols and gave them plenty of grief over the years.

Did that give our school any respect? Nope.

Quote:Most of these p5 school have been playing football and basketball for 100 years.

So have Louisiana Tech, UTEP, North Texas, Rice, Southern Miss, WKU, Marshall, and Middle Tennessee (football, anyway). Same story could be told in other G5 conferences. Hell, the Ivy League practically invented the sport, did they not?

Here's what we're asking for. Just give us some respect. Let the media actually acknowledge our existence and talk about our conferences regularly, even if they still talk about the P5 more. Give us that, and over time, we'd be just as good. Thing is, the P5 (and the media) don't want that. They don't want more competition. They're perfectly happy restricting that competition.

And PLEASE tell me Kansas, Iowa State, Oregon State, etc are better than SDSU, Houston, USF, etc. La Tech and WKU would cream Kansas.

(01-07-2017 03:41 PM)FUB Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Once again. Yes, you may be able to win a game here and there against the bottom of the barrel p5 school but it is nothing compared to doing it week in and week out.


Come on man. Why cant you guys just be happen being G5 there is nothing wrong with that league.

I cannot think of another situation where they let the champion of a lesser league play a game against a top team of the power league.


That's like letting Alabama play if the NFL playoffs.


You guys really have nothing to complain about.

Ok, I know this is none of my business but you are not being very honest about some of this. If WKU had gotten busted doing half of what Penn St.,North Carolina,or Miami had done they would be out of football or basketball for two years. Meanwhile we just ignore the absolute abominations that went down at these programs. Just C'MON MAN. SMDH.

Not sure how this is the fault of the P5. Blame that on the NCAA.

(01-07-2017 04:50 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  1. I'm assuming you meant "every P5 conference." And yes, they have expanded. But who did they take in? For the most part, other P5 schools just moved to other conferences. There were a few exceptions, but not many. The Big XII had the opportunity to take in very deserving G5 schools, but decided they didn't want the extra competition (Mike Gundy said that out loud).

2. You're missing the point. P5 schools are good now because they had good teams years ago and now they've just been riding on that success. They don't have to work for their name or success anymore.

3. "The schools they recognize." That's the point. If we got even some of the same coverage that the Privileged 5 do, they would recognize us, too. Plus, everyone, especially casuals, love an underdog or Cinderella story. Coastal Carolina did that in the CWS last year. Football doesn't give us that opportunity.

4. That is a laughable statement. We can't compete as long as the media treats us as second class citizens not worthy of even mentioning. Even during G5 games, they spend halftime talking about the P5. If they talked about us half as much as they do the P5, then we could talk about having the same opportunities.

5. At NO POINT has anyone said that the P5 should just give us money. That's not what we're saying. We're saying that if we had the same opportunities to make the amount of money the P5 does, we could compete with anyone.

Quote:If you want what they have, invest in women's basketball or soccer or something else and maybe 50 years down the road, you're conference will be the best and then you can dictate who gets what.

Oh yeah? The Louisiana Tech Lady Techsters are one of the most storied and successful women's basketball programs in NCAA history. We have been on some down years recently, but we still have the 3rd winningest program, one of only four in the nation to win over 1000 games. The Lady Techsters have 3 national titles (including the first ever NCAA Women's Tournament) and attended every NCAA tournament until 2007. We maintained a rivalry with Pat Summit's Lady Vols and gave them plenty of grief over the years.

Did that give our school any respect? Nope.

Quote:Most of these p5 school have been playing football and basketball for 100 years.

So have Louisiana Tech, UTEP, North Texas, Rice, Southern Miss, WKU, Marshall, and Middle Tennessee (football, anyway). Same story could be told in other G5 conferences. Hell, the Ivy League practically invented the sport, did they not?

Here's what we're asking for. Just give us some respect. Let the media actually acknowledge our existence and talk about our conferences regularly, even if they still talk about the P5 more. Give us that, and over time, we'd be just as good. Thing is, the P5 (and the media) don't want that. They don't want more competition. They're perfectly happy restricting that competition.

And PLEASE tell me Kansas, Iowa State, Oregon State, etc are better than SDSU, Houston, USF, etc. La Tech and WKU would cream Kansas.

The bottom line is that money talks. If you want respect, pay for channels that support your conference and don't watch or pay for channels that support P5 schools. Talk won't do anything for our conference. The best we can do is invest in our facilities and put out good teams.

Kansas and Iowa St. have had great basketball programs for years and have state of the art basketball arenas. Does your place even hold 10 thousand?

(01-07-2017 05:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 03:41 PM)FUB Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Once again. Yes, you may be able to win a game here and there against the bottom of the barrel p5 school but it is nothing compared to doing it week in and week out.


Come on man. Why cant you guys just be happen being G5 there is nothing wrong with that league.

I cannot think of another situation where they let the champion of a lesser league play a game against a top team of the power league.


That's like letting Alabama play if the NFL playoffs.


You guys really have nothing to complain about.

Ok, I know this is none of my business but you are not being very honest about some of this. If WKU had gotten busted doing half of what Penn St.,North Carolina,or Miami had done they would be out of football or basketball for two years. Meanwhile we just ignore the absolute abominations that went down at these programs. Just C'MON MAN. SMDH.

Not sure how this is the fault of the P5. Blame that on the NCAA.

Damn ,you can't be that sorry ,I assume your being intentionally obtuse . Either way avoiding the point won't make it any less true.