Just speaking about the principle of the matter, but why is FBS college football unique in that it is essentially impossible for certain teams to win the championship? No pro sports league has such limitations, given how the teams are on a relatively even financial playing field and there are only thirty or so franchises. No other college sport that I know of features this quality, even in basketball a 16-seed SWAC school that plays Kentucky in the first round has a theoretical chance of winning it all. What makes the FBS so dramatically different that makes this an absolute necessity for the good of the sport and the colleges involved? What makes it different in that the best alternative to that is to use a committee to determine the teams worthy of being in a playoff? And what makes the FBS so different that every other level of college football has a playoff involving all conference champs yet they do not?

Because life isn't fair and the wealthy but unqualified can go as far as they want. And the P5 is a cartel. There are too many FBS teams lured by the promise of TV money. The G5 schools should go ahead with their own playoff and the P5 teams should only be able to count 2 wins against them towards a bowl.

Because of greed and money. There is no other sport on any level worldwide, high school, college or pro that you can't tell your team win all your games and you are the champion. See Western Michigan this year they are undefeated but no chance of winning the title.

I don't want to hear strength of schedule ,,, you have to play who is in your conference.

They just want this 4 team playoff to be the Alabama/ Ohio St Invitational

You don't think its a recruiting advantage to be able to tell a recruit ( don't even consider school XYZ they will never be invited to the playoff)

It is a total BS system

(12-29-2016 10:13 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  Because life isn't fair and the wealthy but unqualified can go as far as they want. And the P5 is a cartel. There are too many FBS teams lured by the promise of TV money. The G5 schools should go ahead with their own playoff and the P5 teams should only be able to count 2 wins against them towards a bowl.

The fact that college football isn't a merit based sport is nothing new or anything that should be rehashed.

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Because math.
Let's say you make $25 million a year more than I do and we are competitors.
You have a choice.
Choice 1 you gain a million. I gain $100,000
Choice 2 you gain $2 million but I gain $2 million as well and I get a chance to match my best product against your best product in public.

You will choose option 1 because it increases your competitive advantage.

Its because of the tug of war between the NCAA and the "Power Schools"

NCAA controlled the TV rights for 3 decades in FB unlike the other sports. It angered the power schools and kept a right and proper playoff forming with all the then major confernces.

ESPN then assumed control, forcing consolidation with every confernce needing a mega football school to ensure a mega TV deal. This left conferences on the outside.

CFP takes the crappy committee idea from college basketball as ESPN wants to serve the interests of the very few largest programs.

If a playoff and FBS rules on moving up were in place by 1970 maybe an 8 conference playoff would exist today.

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money and power

Everyone knows the answer. relative to the NFL an 11-5 Wildcard card team should not play a road game at an 8-8 or 9-7 division champ.

There's actually a logical reason:
1) there's too few games
2) there's too big of a difference in the quality of the teams (there's 3 conferences that have no business being in the same division as the SEC and Big 10)

Combined, it means it is impossible to come up with a solution that allows everyone a chance without heavily incentivizing weak schedules. People want to see games like Ohio State-Oklahoma, LSU-Wisconsin, and Florida-Florida State, and they won't do anything to provide an incentive for schools to cancel those types of series.

(12-30-2016 06:59 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  There's actually a logical reason:
1) there's too few games
2) there's too big of a difference in the quality of the teams (there's 3 conferences that have no business being in the same division as the SEC and Big 10)

Combined, it means it is impossible to come up with a solution that allows everyone a chance without heavily incentivizing weak schedules. People want to see games like Ohio State-Oklahoma, LSU-Wisconsin, and Florida-Florida State, and they won't do anything to provide an incentive for schools to cancel those types of series.

How is that different from college basketball?

(12-30-2016 09:05 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 06:59 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  There's actually a logical reason:
1) there's too few games
2) there's too big of a difference in the quality of the teams (there's 3 conferences that have no business being in the same division as the SEC and Big 10)

Combined, it means it is impossible to come up with a solution that allows everyone a chance without heavily incentivizing weak schedules. People want to see games like Ohio State-Oklahoma, LSU-Wisconsin, and Florida-Florida State, and they won't do anything to provide an incentive for schools to cancel those types of series.

How is that different from college basketball?

Because Northeast Bumblescum State has absolutely no business playing Duke in the first round of the NCAA tournament or even being there at all just because they won the MidAtlantic Sisters of the Poor Conference with a 14-19 record after upsetting the top team in the conference tournament. They are not one of the best teams in the country or even their local county and don't deserve to compete for the title.

The ONLY reason NEBSU is there is TO MAKE THE NCAA MONEY.

The NCAA wants a dog and pony show tournament that is all drama and cinderellas and gets great ratings. They don't care if the most deserving teams reach the FF because their tournament isn't about who is the best. It's about getting as much ratings as possible to maximize the NCAAs profit.

And that's why the P5 will NEVER give back control of the CFB post season to the NCAA.

(12-29-2016 11:39 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  money and power

This.

The NCAA was able to get the basketball postseason out of the hands of the NIT back in the day, but they were never able to wrestle the football postseason away from the bowls.

(12-30-2016 09:40 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  The NCAA wants a dog and pony show tournament that is all drama and cinderellas and gets great ratings. They don't care if the most deserving teams reach the FF because their tournament isn't about who is the best. It's about getting as much ratings as possible to maximize the NCAAs profit.

And that's why the P5 will NEVER give back control of the CFB post season to the NCAA.

If the tournament was JUST the D1 conference champs, I'd agree with you. But there are at-large bids to make sure that the most deserving teams make the final four. The low level champions in the tournament essentially serve as first round byes for the top seeds.

(12-30-2016 09:40 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 09:05 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 06:59 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  There's actually a logical reason:
1) there's too few games
2) there's too big of a difference in the quality of the teams (there's 3 conferences that have no business being in the same division as the SEC and Big 10)

Combined, it means it is impossible to come up with a solution that allows everyone a chance without heavily incentivizing weak schedules. People want to see games like Ohio State-Oklahoma, LSU-Wisconsin, and Florida-Florida State, and they won't do anything to provide an incentive for schools to cancel those types of series.

How is that different from college basketball?

Because Northeast Bumblescum State has absolutely no business playing Duke in the first round of the NCAA tournament or even being there at all just because they won the MidAtlantic Sisters of the Poor Conference with a 14-19 record after upsetting the top team in the conference tournament. They are not one of the best teams in the country or even their local county and don't deserve to compete for the title.

The ONLY reason NEBSU is there is TO MAKE THE NCAA MONEY.

The NCAA wants a dog and pony show tournament that is all drama and cinderellas and gets great ratings. They don't care if the most deserving teams reach the FF because their tournament isn't about who is the best. It's about getting as much ratings as possible to maximize the NCAAs profit.

And that's why the P5 will NEVER give back control of the CFB post season to the NCAA.

In basketball, the most deserving teams ARE in the tournament, because there are freaking 64+ teams in it. So the NCAA makes money and every team has a chance.

The simple answer, and IMO the best answer, is that it is unique because there are 128 teams and a 12 game schedule, in a sport where you can't play more than once a week over a four month stretch.

How many AD's would be willing to reduce the number of regular season games to accommodate a 16 team tournament?

How many coaches of legitimate contenders want to risk losing a top player to injury playing a team that doesn't belong in the tournament, but won its weak conference?

The ultimate answer to your questions is that college football is, indeed, unique.

Just go back to the old bowl system and let press vote for the champ. It worked for over 50 years. Big 1G champ played the PAC champ in the Rose Bowl, Big 8 champ played in the Orange Bowl, SEC champ played in the Sugar Bowl, SWC champ played in the Cotton Bowl. There would be the same amount of arguing about this as there is with the system we have now. At least the bowls were played by teams that wanted to be there.

Because its a cartel and not a sport. It is akin to the WWE...an entertainment conglomerate and not a sport.

Preserving the status quo is its main objective and it does it very well.

Such an exciting game has such a boring and predictable championship structure due to it.

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(12-30-2016 06:59 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  There's actually a logical reason:
1) there's too few games
2) there's too big of a difference in the quality of the teams (there's 3 conferences that have no business being in the same division as the SEC and Big 10)

Combined, it means it is impossible to come up with a solution that allows everyone a chance without heavily incentivizing weak schedules. People want to see games like Ohio State-Oklahoma, LSU-Wisconsin, and Florida-Florida State, and they won't do anything to provide an incentive for schools to cancel those types of series.

Both of your statements are baloney.

FCS plays 15/16 games
How is that different than the NCAA Basketball?

There is an easy solution - 20 team playoff, 10 auto-bids, 10 at-large. Solves all the issues.

No ACTUAL reason not to do it.

(12-30-2016 11:38 AM)ken d Wrote:  The simple answer, and IMO the best answer, is that it is unique because there are 128 teams and a 12 game schedule, in a sport where you can't play more than once a week over a four month stretch.

How many AD's would be willing to reduce the number of regular season games to accommodate a 16 team tournament?

How many coaches of legitimate contenders want to risk losing a top player to injury playing a team that doesn't belong in the tournament, but won its weak conference?

The ultimate answer to your questions is that college football is, indeed, unique.

More invalid excuses. FCS and DII do it.

(12-30-2016 09:40 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Because Northeast Bumblescum State has absolutely no business playing Duke in the first round of the NCAA tournament or even being there at all just because they won the MidAtlantic Sisters of the Poor Conference with a 14-19 record after upsetting the top team in the conference tournament. They are not one of the best teams in the country or even their local county and don't deserve to compete for the title.

The ONLY reason NEBSU is there is TO MAKE THE NCAA MONEY.

The NCAA wants a dog and pony show tournament that is all drama and cinderellas and gets great ratings. They don't care if the most deserving teams reach the FF because their tournament isn't about who is the best. It's about getting as much ratings as possible to maximize the NCAAs profit.

And that's why the P5 will NEVER give back control of the CFB post season to the NCAA.

Sounds like typical P5 shilling to me.

More like, they want a playoff to determine who their champion is. That's such a weird concept everyone else has come up with it except competitions like figure skating and gymnastics (where it still exists to a degree, even if it is apples to oranges).

The only reason awful teams that have no business going there make it is because each conference determines how they hand out their auto-bid and most choose a tournament, meaning the 8 seed from the SWAC can sneak in after winning 5 games (3 against D-I) all season. Even if the SWAC champion has a minimal chance at a win, they still won their conference and deserve a chance to play just like any other sports organization on the planet except ones that play round robin like soccer leagues.