(12-29-2016 06:44 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  If Okie and Okie St. moved to the SEC, I could see Texas going to the ACC in a ND-deal where their football is independent. Kansas and UConn would probably be the two schools moving to the B1G. The Pac-12 probably maintains status quo.

Texas might be better off staying with whatever remains in the Big 12 leftovers if 3-4 schools get picked off. There probably would not be enough quality football teams to add to form a financially competitive P5 league. So scheduling 6-7 OCC games would be in the best interest of the leftover conference to improve strength of schedule as well as retain rivalries.

If Bedlam goes to the SEC, the BIG XII should pick off the western divisions of the: AAC, CUSA and SBC. (Descending order of attraction/likelihood)

I doubt any of this is true but I'll play.

I do not believe the SEC would want 2 schools out of 1 state, they have kind of been pushing the idea of getting into as many new markets as possible.

So if there is any shread of truth here, I think the additions would be OSU and Kansas to the SEC.

OU then has the ability to go to the B1G or the PAC. If its the B1G, I think its OU and UCONN. If its the PAC, I think its OU, KSU, Texas, and Texas Tech

(12-29-2016 10:54 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 06:44 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  If Okie and Okie St. moved to the SEC, I could see Texas going to the ACC in a ND-deal where their football is independent. Kansas and UConn would probably be the two schools moving to the B1G. The Pac-12 probably maintains status quo.

Texas might be better off staying with whatever remains in the Big 12 leftovers if 3-4 schools get picked off. There probably would not be enough quality football teams to add to form a financially competitive P5 league. So scheduling 6-7 OCC games would be in the best interest of the leftover conference to improve strength of schedule as well as retain rivalries.

Texas will go the ACC in the same way as ND.
The B12 without Texas,OU and o st is a joke.They will not be P5.Likely a merger between the whats left B12 and AAC.The left overs will go to MWC.

(12-29-2016 11:18 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  I doubt any of this is true but I'll play.

I do not believe the SEC would want 2 schools out of 1 state, they have kind of been pushing the idea of getting into as many new markets as possible.

So if there is any shread of truth here, I think the additions would be OSU and Kansas to the SEC.

OU then has the ability to go to the B1G or the PAC. If its the B1G, I think its OU and UCONN. If its the PAC, I think its OU, KSU, Texas, and Texas Tech

While it doesn't seem logical prima facia it nevertheless poses a real possibility for these reasons:

1. The SEC wants the DFW market.
2. The largest draws in the state of Texas are in rough order: Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, L.S.U., Texas Tech and Arkansas. If the SEC lands Oklahoma we don't need Texas ever.
3. If the ACC is not on the market, and likely they are not, and the Big 12 is the only conference out of which additions can be made, then why not take the #2 & #4 money makers out of that conference? Oklahoma and OSU seem to be tied via politics so why not take the #4 Big 12 revenue producer to cement getting all of Texas, a large national brand, and to double dip annually in DFW with both part of the RRSO, and a scheduled game for the Cowboys against anyone who will play them there, perhaps an SEC game?

I totally agree that taking two schools from a small market doesn't appear to make sense. But Texas is a large football crazy state and DFW is its biggest prize. And that may ultimately make cents in a plethora of ways.

Would I rather have Kansas and Oklahoma? Sure. But Oklahoma is still the prize.

(12-29-2016 10:22 AM)f1do Wrote:  https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/814331483494158337

Yes, this is Greg Swaim and even he admits it is just rumors. But says Oklahoma and Oklahoma State could move to the SEC shifting Alabama and Auburn to the SEC East.

Shifting Alabama and Auburn to the SEC East will fix SEC's biggest problem.

(12-29-2016 08:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 03:44 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 03:29 PM)westwolf Wrote:  Uconn and Iowa St are not wanted by the B1G.

What other school can they pick up in the East?? ACC schools are off limits.

What other school can they reasonably pick up in the West, as a solo addition?? As I said, it doesn't seem feasible that they could get just Kansas without K-State. And for that same reason, seems like Iowa federal and state politicians would call in all favors to push Iowa St in.

I guess you could propose that the Big Ten take Kansas and K-State. I don't prefer that, myself.

"ACC schools are off limits"--why? GOR. See Maryland. The following ACC schools would give both testicles to join the Big Ten:
Cuse
BC
Pitt
Louisville
Florida St
Miami
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Virginia Tech
Clemson
NC St
Virginia and Wake would give their left testicle to join.
Cheers!

The ACC GoR was not in place when Maryland left. Maryland leaving was probably what got the GoR passed. The pending GoR may have been a factor in Maryland leaving when they did.

Syracuse and Pitt were not in a big hurry to leave the oBE. If they really wanted the B1G they could have held out and refused the ACC. Obviously, they did not.

BREAKING NEWS: South Carolina hasn't been in the ACC for 45 years.

North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia Tech and possibly Wake all had the opportunity to go to the B1G, testicles intact, when Maryland did and chose to stay in the ACC. It may have been a different story if the ACC had collapsed but that didn't happen.

NC State has no interest in the B1G. SEC maybe, B1G no. I can't say for sure but I would put Clemson, Virginia Tech and FSU in that same category. I'm not saying they would reject a B1G invite, just that they are not looking for one.

I would also note that all of the schools on this list (except that pesky South Carolina) signed not one, but two ACC GoRs. They also voted unanimously to raise the exit fee to $50+ million. Not the actions of schools that are willing to give up body parts to join a new conference.

(12-29-2016 07:55 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Meh

Realignment slots are the most valuable thing in college athletics. I refuse to believe the SEC leadership is willing to give one of these up and all its potential for a 2nd team in a small market state that brings you virtually nothing if you already have OU.

I'd sooner bet on Kansas or WVU coming with OU than okie state

I agree. Oklahoma State ranks below Texas and Kansas on the candidate list. Probably tied with WVU, with the tie breaker going to WV if Oklahoma is in.

(12-29-2016 08:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 03:44 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 03:29 PM)westwolf Wrote:  Uconn and Iowa St are not wanted by the B1G.

What other school can they pick up in the East?? ACC schools are off limits.

What other school can they reasonably pick up in the West, as a solo addition?? As I said, it doesn't seem feasible that they could get just Kansas without K-State. And for that same reason, seems like Iowa federal and state politicians would call in all favors to push Iowa St in.

I guess you could propose that the Big Ten take Kansas and K-State. I don't prefer that, myself.

"ACC schools are off limits"--why? GOR. See Maryland. The following ACC schools would give both testicles to join the Big Ten:
Cuse
BC
Pitt
Louisville
Florida St
Miami
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Virginia Tech
Clemson
NC St
Virginia and Wake would give their left testicle to join.
Cheers!

Objection. Mistatement of facts already in evidence.

There was no GOR (until 2036) when Maryland left the ACC.

Now, the ACC schools are bound by the GOR and the exit fees.

If all of these schools wanted to leave the ACC and go to the Big Ten, why didn't they when no GOR bound up their TV rights for 20 years?

Answer: See Wolfman's post above, especially his last sentence. These schools did not want to leave the ACC to join the Big Ten.

I don't see OU ever going to the sec unless the sec also invited Ok state so that reason only would be why the sec would invite the pair. If OU wants to go solo somewhere they would join the big 10 with Kansas if that was an option. If the big 10 isn't an option with Kansas and the sec isn't an option with ok state, than I think ou stays in the big 12 unless the PAC 12 changes its mind and invites ou and ok state. The other thing to consider is there is a huge risk for the sec and PAC 12 to allow ou and Kansas join the big 10, i.e. Where does Texas go? If they follow ou and ku. To the big 10 that is huge trouble for the other leagues.

(12-30-2016 10:33 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Now, the ACC schools are bound by the GOR and the exit fees.

until a court rules on the legality of said punitive clauses ...

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION

OU/OK State would be a huge addition for the SEC. As JR said, that would firmly establish the DFW market for them, and create a new western division including Texas A&M, Oklahoma, OK State, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi and Mississippi State.

With the Big 12 dropping to 8, and the league firmly on life support at that point, who knows what would happen or how the schools would respond. Would Kansas look to get out? The B1G, SEC, ACC and PAC-12 would surely add them due to basketball and academic prestige.

(12-29-2016 07:55 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I refuse to believe the SEC leadership is willing to give one of these up and all its potential for a 2nd team in a small market state

I think JR nailed it in post #45.

(12-29-2016 07:55 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I'd sooner bet on Kansas

KU and OU to the SEC would be perfect. But alas, politics won't allow it.

(12-29-2016 08:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  "ACC schools are off limits"--why? GOR. See Maryland.

You've already been bashed by other posters for this statement. I agree with their assessment.

(12-29-2016 08:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The following ACC schools would give both testicles to join the Big Ten:
Cuse
BC
Pitt
Louisville
Florida St
Miami
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Virginia Tech
Clemson
NC St
Virginia and Wake would give their left testicle to join.

Pitt and GA Tech are very strong research schools, that would fit well with the top research schools in Big Ten, and FL St, UVA, VA Tech, and NC St are still decent fits though not quite as research powerhouses.

I believe the Big Ten would choose Virginia as its top choice. But I don't think Virginia is as interested as you think they are.


I'd actually take Pitt, and I think they should've been added to the Big Ten at the same time as Penn St. But I don't run things.

(12-30-2016 12:04 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  With the Big 12 dropping to 8, and the league firmly on life support at that point, who knows what would happen or how the schools would respond. Would Kansas look to get out? The B1G, SEC, ACC and PAC-12 would surely add them due to basketball and academic prestige.

Even if all the Big 8 schools left, I still think the Big 12 could survive centered around Texas as a P conf. You start by getting the SWC band back together, and then you have WV, Cincy, maybe UConn, maybe Temple, maybe USF/UCF. At least get back to 10, ideally 12.

(12-30-2016 12:04 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Would Kansas look to get out? The B1G, SEC, ACC and PAC-12 would surely add them due to basketball and academic prestige.

TEXAS OR BUST

The ONLY way Oklahoma State ever joins the SEC, in my opinion, is if OU is already headed to another conference. If the SEC has a choice, they take OU, hands down. I don't see them - or any other power conference - ever taking both.

The ideal football combo would be Texas + OU.
There are other interesting combos, such as
OU + Kansas
Texas + West Virginia
Even Texas + Texas Tech

(12-30-2016 12:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Even if all the Big 8 schools left, I still think the Big 12 could survive centered around Texas as a P conf. You start by getting the SWC band back together, and then you have WV, Cincy, maybe UConn, maybe Temple, maybe USF/UCF. At least get back to 10, ideally 12.

did you stop to ask what texas wants ...
the swc blew up ...
remember ...
if at first you don't succeed ...

TRY, TRY AGAIN

(12-30-2016 11:26 AM)green Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 10:33 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Now, the ACC schools are bound by the GOR and the exit fees.

until a court rules on the legality of said punitive clauses ...

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION

Grant of Rights isn't punitive, Green. It happens all the time in music. It just says if your band (or conference) signs a conference as a group, the rights stay with the group, not one or two individuals who might decide to leave the band (or conference). Very reasonable when you think about the alternative.

(12-30-2016 12:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 11:26 AM)green Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 10:33 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Now, the ACC schools are bound by the GOR and the exit fees.

until a court rules on the legality of said punitive clauses ...

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION

Grant of Rights isn't punitive, Green.

has a court ruled as it pertains to team sports ...

HOLDING PATTERN

(12-30-2016 12:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I don't see them - or any other power conference - ever taking both.

...................... You gotta be kidding, right??

Of all possible people ... a VT fan is the one doubting that a P conf would take a second school in a state??

(12-30-2016 12:17 PM)green Wrote:  did you stop to ask what texas wants ...

By far and wide, it wants the status quo -- that's how it makes the most money. It would lose money going to any other conference, assuming that any other conference would not allow it to keep all the money it makes from the LHN.