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It would be short-term revenue at best. That's fine with Frazier as I'm sure he's hoping to not be here forever. Long-term it greases the skids to FCS.
12-29-2016 11:27 AM
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NIU (and the MAC) may already be trending toward FCS. This may be tough for some to grasp but the divide is not just P5 / G5 but more like P5 / AAC & MWC / everyone else. NIU is not in a position to get into a financial spending war to keep up with everyone else. For a school is that is tight on resources it is not realistic to expect him to suddenly start writing big checks to hang in the game.
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(12-29-2016 11:39 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  NIU (and the MAC) may already be trending toward FCS. This may be tough for some to grasp but the divide is not just P5 / G5 but more like P5 / AAC & MWC / everyone else. NIU is not in a position to get into a financial spending war to keep up with everyone else. For a school is that is tight on resources it is not realistic to expect him to suddenly start writing big checks to hang in the game.

You just don't gain anything by that playoff. You're admitting that you are in a lower division, and those fans that still go to games or watch the games pick up on that, and lose interest. So you get the disadvantage of essentially being considered a lower level, without the lower costs of fewer scholarships. Anyway, it's a useless idea without the AAC and MWC, and they rightly wouldn't go for it.
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(12-29-2016 09:11 AM)golf4501 Wrote:  If this happens it's the final nail in the coffin for those non-P5 schools in FBS. You're essentially creating a sub category below P5 (which technically already exists, but this cements it) in doing this. I don't think this is a positive move if you have aspirations to eventually move up and compete at the highest level. I agree 100% with the ADs in the article that are saying the same thing.

It would be nice if Sean spent his time with things like the Master Plan and growing NIU. I just don't see how spearheading this effort does that.

Yep that's a death trap. Sean is using this to promote himself and not concentrating on building a better NIU.
12-29-2016 11:44 AM
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There was talk at the beginning of the football season, after Houston beat Oklahoma, if they went undefeated, they would have a chance at a playoff spot. Why would the AAC sign on for a minor league playoff?
12-29-2016 11:48 AM
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The divide between P5 and G5 is widening and the separation between the two will eventually be a reality. AAC and anyone else that denies the difference is dillusional. More than half of the AAC tried to jump ship earlier this year. However I believe the Big12 will be done when the tv contract runs out so the landscape will change.

Every other division does have a playoff and I like the FCS format. There's been a ton of complaints that the current bowl system is meaningless and this would give it more meaning. I do have concerns about how this would be implemented because I don't want to see all the remaining bowl eligible teams get totally left out. Plus traveling to multiple bowl locations would be difficult for most. I think I would prefer a home field advantage for games like this, at least the early rounds. There are currently about 64 G5 teams and limiting this to 8 teams will not be enough. Bowl games would have to continue for the rest of the teams.

There has to be a reason Sean went on record with this. He's not dumb and is usually calculated with his comments. Maybe it's to get his name out there but he has had a relationship with Brett McMurphy and its not by accident that he went on record with this.
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(12-29-2016 11:43 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(12-29-2016 11:39 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  NIU (and the MAC) may already be trending toward FCS. This may be tough for some to grasp but the divide is not just P5 / G5 but more like P5 / AAC & MWC / everyone else. NIU is not in a position to get into a financial spending war to keep up with everyone else. For a school is that is tight on resources it is not realistic to expect him to suddenly start writing big checks to hang in the game.

You just don't gain anything by that playoff. You're admitting that you are in a lower division, and those fans that still go to games or watch the games pick up on that, and lose interest. So you get the disadvantage of essentially being considered a lower level, without the lower costs of fewer scholarships. Anyway, it's a useless idea without the AAC and MWC, and they rightly wouldn't go for it.

I agree. Having listened to the webcast, the one thing I do not understand with his thinking is that he wants to continue to play P5 teams and be included at the highest level (ie playoff, Access Bowl, playoff money, etc.) yet wants to augment that with this G5 playoff. I am not sure how you double dip both sides as it would seem doing this would just cut you out of the current playoff deal over time.

I will say that listening to him though does not paint a very good picture for the long term financial prospects of the program. I kept getting the sense that NIU is going to have to make some tough decisions at some point unless they can get their program to be more self sustainable. Two days from now the State will officially be without a budget again and maybe that is creating more pressure on him. The school is hurting for money, enrollment is steadily declining and athletic attendance is at an all time low. Meanwhile the cost to keep a seat at the table keep climbing.
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Nothing he said was wrong. We all wish it was different, but it's an honest view of the state. A team for the MAC has zero chance to enter the national championship conversation at this point, and it's not very close.
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Does this not make anyone else hate the MAC even more?
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It won't happen. No G5 school really believes this is a good idea. It's a desperate idea that hopefully will spark real conversation about a real College Football Playoff that includes everyone that's deserving......
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A Houston Cougar fan posted started a thread that was deleted telling Frazier to shut up and leave beating P5 teams to them. That's part of the problem. Teams like Houston think they are on par with the P5. Maybe one day they'll get an invite but for now schools like Texas totally played them. I don't see the P5 making any exceptions to include G5 teams.
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Frazier has disappointed to the extreme. I'm ready for him to move on
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(12-29-2016 11:25 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  (Frazier) said there is a corporate interest in sponsoring something like this. His vision is to leverage existing bowls and tie in more corporate sponsors and networks to generate more revenue.

Maybe to get corporate sponsors and big-time gamblers interested in this football playoff, hold it in Las Vegas.....the five conference winners, best of three non-ND independents (BYU, Army, UMass) gets one spot, and the two best G5 conference runners-up (as determined by computers, MD and DPN) comprise the eight-team playoff. Since the name Vegas 16 is already taken, call it the Vegas Eight.

For those of you folks thinking Frazier is on to something here, do you remember the excitement from the end of last basketball season?
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Frazier is starting to remind me of that boy who gets his first shoot em up game and doesn't discriminate between the bad guy and good guys and starts shooting
Civilians and anything the moves because it's fun. He has absolutely no vision and goal, at least not ones that are not Frazier centric and self serving
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I think it's a good idea but the following things would need to happen:

1. The G5 would have to forgo their New Years Day 6 slot. Having a championship tournament without your best team does not make sense. It would be really hard to include that team in the G5 playoff anyway since they have a game on New Years Day. You would have to put the whole G5 playoff in January.

2. The money has to be right, which is tricky due to item 1 above. A tournement that results in a net loss of revenue for the G5 does not make sense.

3. The top G5 team should still be allowed to qualify for the P5 playoff if they meet the criteria. This violates item 1 above but it may never happen anyway and if it does I believe everyone would gladly make an exception.
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(12-29-2016 02:30 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  I think it's a good idea but the following things would need to happen:

1. The G5 would have to forgo their New Years Day 6 slot. Having a championship tournament without your best team does not make sense. It would be really hard to include that team in the G5 playoff anyway since they have a game on New Years Day. You would have to put the whole G5 playoff in January.

2. The money has to be right, which is tricky due to item 1 above. A tournement tha
t results in a net loss of revenue for the G5 does not make sense.

3. The top G5 team should still be allowed to qualify for the P5 playoff if they meet the criteria. This violates item 1 above but it may never happen anyway and if it does I believe everyone would gladly make an exception.

Wow. How you think that's a good idea is baffling. I'm sure WMU would rather play in G5/FCS playoff That no one cares about than play Wisconsin. And on number #3, non P5 are not allowed playoff access by the mafia aka cfp committee. The only goal should be an expanded playoff that includes G5 rep
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(12-29-2016 10:18 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(12-29-2016 10:02 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  "I don’t think it’s a coincidence the MAC AD is all for a G5 playoff while the AAC commish is like hell no. The MAC proved this year it has no playoff hopes, and the AAC is trying to make it the Power 6 for a reason." - Tom Fornelli, CBS college football

It's very disappointing that our AD is a voice for this split. Talk about settling for mediocrity.

That quote is right on. The MAC has far more to gain from this than the AAC or MWC. I don't see a scenario where either of those conferences agree to send their champion to something like this when both leagues are locked into better games already.

I think he is trying to make the best of the hand he was dealt and it is clear the MAC is a sinking ship in FBS. I don't doubt that he would like to get NIU a better seat at the table but that is clearly not going to happen with NIU in the MAC.

Spot on. Without the AAC and the MWC, we're left with the MAC, CUSA and the Sun Belt. Hello FCS.
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(12-29-2016 03:16 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  
(12-29-2016 10:18 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(12-29-2016 10:02 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  "I don’t think it’s a coincidence the MAC AD is all for a G5 playoff while the AAC commish is like hell no. The MAC proved this year it has no playoff hopes, and the AAC is trying to make it the Power 6 for a reason." - Tom Fornelli, CBS college football

It's very disappointing that our AD is a voice for this split. Talk about settling for mediocrity.

That quote is right on. The MAC has far more to gain from this than the AAC or MWC. I don't see a scenario where either of those conferences agree to send their champion to something like this when both leagues are locked into better games already.

I think he is trying to make the best of the hand he was dealt and it is clear the MAC is a sinking ship in FBS. I don't doubt that he would like to get NIU a better seat at the table but that is clearly not going to happen with NIU in the MAC.

Spot on. Without the AAC and the MWC, we're left with the MAC, CUSA and the Sun Belt. Hello FCS.

I am confused, "hello FCS?" Yet if this ever went through it would absolutely assure NIU is FCS.

One thing we learned this year, just because the AAC says its beautiful does not mean it is beautiful. The MAC had the most playoff worthy team of any G5 conference and that includes the AAC and MWC. That is all we need to know about that. And if the AAC thought even the severely overhyped Houston team in the preseason ever had a chance to make a playoff spot, they need to wake up from that dream because the corrupt and criminal powers that be would have never allowed. As it turned out Houston was just awful, but even if they were as good as WMU turned out to be, they would not have even gotten a sniff.
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This is better for 95% of the G5. Worse for just a handful of teams. WMU would
Say this is terrible as of today. But any other time in their entire existence they'd be behind this idea. Same with Temple, Memphis, western Kentucky...etc. theyre all just the hot streak G5er of the moment. Historically speaking, only BYU, Boise and maybe Houston could make any real claim to this continually keeping them out of a NY6 bowl. Most every other program should realize that they'll have maybe 2 or 3 seasons out of 50 that they may be ranked in the top 15. Probably even less.
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(12-29-2016 03:58 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  This is better for 95% of the G5. Worse for just a handful of teams. WMU would
Say this is terrible as of today. But any other time in their entire existence they'd be behind this idea. Same with Temple, Memphis, western Kentucky...etc. theyre all just the hot streak G5er of the moment. Historically speaking, only BYU, Boise and maybe Houston could make any real claim to this continually keeping them out of a NY6 bowl. Most every other program should realize that they'll have maybe 2 or 3 seasons out of 50 that they may be ranked in the top 15. Probably even less.

Boise and Houston would have the same limited opportunity now that the MAC has pretty much caught up in terms of quality of teams. Houston is one season away from NIU's situation. Voluntarily agreeing to go to FCS level makes no sense to me, never will. The healthiest thing for college football would be an 8 team playoff with 1 G5 rep, that would get huge ratings. People love the cinderalla story as evident by the very good ratings NIU/FSU brought in. Unfortunately the powers that be, the criminal committee has the power and will keep this broke system in place forever. I am glad ratings are dropping for college football, hopefully that sends a message.
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