(12-29-2016 11:50 AM)lance99 Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 10:02 AM)ken d Wrote:  I'm reasonably sure that if the SBC, CUSA and MAC want to do this, both the P5 conferences and the remaining two G5 conferences would allow them to withdraw from the CFP contract. In effect, it would put the highest level of college football at 89 members (90 if they invite BYU to join them). That's about the right size.

I don't think the P5 would object even if the G3 wanted to stage an 8 team playoff. What isn't clear is whether the P5 would then let the AAC and MWC keep the entire payout now earmarked for the G5 and independents, or whether they would insist on splitting the shares forfeited by the G3.

But if there are only 3 of the current G5 who want to split from the CFP, how interested would any network be to stage such a playoff? I suppose they could encourage schools from the MVFC and Colonial conferences, and perhaps some far west teams, to join this group. But how excited would the schools who recently decided to move up to FBS (which is most of CUSA and SBC) be about essentially returning to the equivalent of FCS?

I think this is a case of the G3 conferences wanting to be viewed as peers of the AAC and MWC, just like those two want to be viewed as peers of the P5. For so many reasons, a G5 playoff is a dream to some of its members and a nightmare to others. It's not likely to happen.

Please put the Crack Pipe down

No G5 Conference is going for that and you know it.

Spoken like a true AAC Fanboy that is scared of the other G5 Conferences

I am trying to understand this post, but can't

This idea is basically setting up the NIT for football.

Keep playing, survive as long as you can, and hope for better access. Even the access slot (the de-factor G5 Championship) gives the G5 conference champs something to play for and make the season interesting.

(12-29-2016 11:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 11:41 AM)LaTechBanjo Wrote:  Nonsense. They sign up for the access bowl KNOWING there will be a G5 team in it.

They signed up for a four team playoff with the top four teams. The G5 access slot has nothing to do with it.

To make sure I'm following:

Access bowl is worthless because of G5.

ESPN just decided to be nice and take a loss on advertising and producing the access bowl even though it's worthless.

Thus, G5 playoff spot would be equally worthless.

Is that what you're arguing?

(12-29-2016 11:30 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  As a fan of a school who won 6 FCS football championships before moving up to FBS, I would rather my team takes the chance even if it is ever so small to win the FBS National Championship with the system we have in place today than settle for what most Southern United States college football fans would see as a peewee football title.

Let me get this straight...

Knowing that there is a zero percent chance for GSU to win a national championship you'd still rather be in FBS than being perceived as playing peewee football? Pretty sure the average southern college football fan still considers GSU peewee.

Wow, G5 fans have battered woman syndrome. We are so used to fighting for scraps and taking orders from big brother that most just don't know better. Aren't you tired of groveling over the crumbs the P5 throws us to keep us quiet? Doesn't your school want to have the opportunity to play for a championship? This playoff would make for a 3 tier division I. FCS, G5, P5. All are DI, all could freely schedule each other and still do home and homes. If any of you played high school football, would you rather of competed at the top level knowing you would never make the playoffs or play at the level your school was at knowing you could make a run in the playoffs?

(12-29-2016 12:23 PM)Shox Wrote:  If any of you played high school football, would you rather of competed at the top level knowing you would never make the playoffs or play at the level your school was at knowing you could make a run in the playoffs?

The only reason we can't make the playoffs is because there are no playoffs.

Would you rather the state have a committee to choose the top 4 HS teams instead of having a playoff?

(12-29-2016 12:14 PM)LaTechBanjo Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 11:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 11:41 AM)LaTechBanjo Wrote:  Nonsense. They sign up for the access bowl KNOWING there will be a G5 team in it.

They signed up for a four team playoff with the top four teams. The G5 access slot has nothing to do with it.

To make sure I'm following:

Access bowl is worthless because of G5.

ESPN just decided to be nice and take a loss on advertising and producing the access bowl even though it's worthless.

Thus, G5 playoff spot would be equally worthless.

Is that what you're arguing?

Exactly. The access bowl involving the G5 team has actually outdrawn several other CFP games in the ratings. There is no reason ESPN wouldn't want that bowl. Like I said earlier, two G5's just played in Las Vegas and pulled 3.5 million viewers. Its clear there is value in pairing a couple of high performing G5's in a bowl.

(12-29-2016 12:23 PM)Shox Wrote:  Wow, G5 fans have battered woman syndrome. We are so used to fighting for scraps and taking orders from big brother that most just don't know better. Aren't you tired of groveling over the crumbs the P5 throws us to keep us quiet? Doesn't your school want to have the opportunity to play for a championship? This playoff would make for a 3 tier division I. FCS, G5, P5. All are DI, all could freely schedule each other and still do home and homes. If any of you played high school football, would you rather of competed at the top level knowing you would never make the playoffs or play at the level your school was at knowing you could make a run in the playoffs?

I'd wager that the P5 cease playing FCS games entirely if 3 divisions become a reality.

(12-29-2016 12:23 PM)Shox Wrote:  Wow, G5 fans have battered woman syndrome. We are so used to fighting for scraps and taking orders from big brother that most just don't know better. Aren't you tired of groveling over the crumbs the P5 throws us to keep us quiet? Doesn't your school want to have the opportunity to play for a championship? This playoff would make for a 3 tier division I. FCS, G5, P5. All are DI, all could freely schedule each other and still do home and homes. If any of you played high school football, would you rather of competed at the top level knowing you would never make the playoffs or play at the level your school was at knowing you could make a run in the playoffs?

If I'm reading you correctly, you seem to be suggesting that the answer to your question is you would rather play where you thought you could make a run in the playoffs. Yet, a lot of FCS schools have made the other choice, electing to move up in class despite having very little chance of competing for a championship. No FBS team has made the choice to drop down except Idaho, and that wasn't for competitive reasons.

Clearly, most colleges aren't playing football for the chance of winning a championship.

(12-29-2016 12:32 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 12:23 PM)Shox Wrote:  Wow, G5 fans have battered woman syndrome. We are so used to fighting for scraps and taking orders from big brother that most just don't know better. Aren't you tired of groveling over the crumbs the P5 throws us to keep us quiet? Doesn't your school want to have the opportunity to play for a championship? This playoff would make for a 3 tier division I. FCS, G5, P5. All are DI, all could freely schedule each other and still do home and homes. If any of you played high school football, would you rather of competed at the top level knowing you would never make the playoffs or play at the level your school was at knowing you could make a run in the playoffs?

I'd wager that the P5 cease playing FCS games entirely if 3 divisions become a reality.

They need the FCS games because they want the income from 7 or 8 home games, and if they just schedule other FBS schools they can't get that every year.

(12-29-2016 12:23 PM)Shox Wrote:  All are DI, all could freely schedule each other and still do home and homes.

Thats what they told FCS schools in the original IA-IAA split. Howd that work out for the IAA schools?

(12-29-2016 12:23 PM)Shox Wrote:  If any of you played high school football, would you rather of competed at the top level knowing you would never make the playoffs or play at the level your school was at knowing you could make a run in the playoffs?

In North Carolina we crown 8 state champions in football. Rather ridiculous IMO

(12-29-2016 12:37 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 12:32 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 12:23 PM)Shox Wrote:  Wow, G5 fans have battered woman syndrome. We are so used to fighting for scraps and taking orders from big brother that most just don't know better. Aren't you tired of groveling over the crumbs the P5 throws us to keep us quiet? Doesn't your school want to have the opportunity to play for a championship? This playoff would make for a 3 tier division I. FCS, G5, P5. All are DI, all could freely schedule each other and still do home and homes. If any of you played high school football, would you rather of competed at the top level knowing you would never make the playoffs or play at the level your school was at knowing you could make a run in the playoffs?

I'd wager that the P5 cease playing FCS games entirely if 3 divisions become a reality.

They need the FCS games because they want the income from 7 or 8 home games, and if they just schedule other FBS schools they can't get that every year.

G5 would be the new FCS and over time G5 schools would never host P5 schools. See the IA-IAA split

(12-29-2016 12:23 PM)Shox Wrote:  Wow, G5 fans have battered woman syndrome. We are so used to fighting for scraps and taking orders from big brother that most just don't know better. Aren't you tired of groveling over the crumbs the P5 throws us to keep us quiet? Doesn't your school want to have the opportunity to play for a championship? This playoff would make for a 3 tier division I. FCS, G5, P5. All are DI, all could freely schedule each other and still do home and homes. If any of you played high school football, would you rather of competed at the top level knowing you would never make the playoffs or play at the level your school was at knowing you could make a run in the playoffs?

It's not groveling, it's fighting back rather than giving up.

BYU, American and Mountain West leadership should say not only no but hell no..

Why would any program relegate themselves, their program, fans and alumni to some "2nd tier status".

Much of what goes into reaching the CFP is beyond one season, it's a process that takes years, decades to chip away at the good ol' boy prejudice system that exists to benefit the Ohio State and Alabamas of college football.

To decide to just play amongst yourselves because of the CFP glass ceiling is knee jerk over-reaction. Maybe The Big 12 should join in since they have been left out of two of the first three play-offs and never been to the CFP championship game.

It's ideas like this that created many of the problems that already exist in college football.
CJ

(12-29-2016 12:42 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 12:23 PM)Shox Wrote:  Wow, G5 fans have battered woman syndrome. We are so used to fighting for scraps and taking orders from big brother that most just don't know better. Aren't you tired of groveling over the crumbs the P5 throws us to keep us quiet? Doesn't your school want to have the opportunity to play for a championship? This playoff would make for a 3 tier division I. FCS, G5, P5. All are DI, all could freely schedule each other and still do home and homes. If any of you played high school football, would you rather of competed at the top level knowing you would never make the playoffs or play at the level your school was at knowing you could make a run in the playoffs?

It's not groveling, it's fighting back rather than giving up.

fighting back =

The G5 will always get what scraps the P5 chooses to throw its way. It's not fighting back when you don't have any leverage or ability to make change.

No way, but would like to see the play-offs expanded from 4 to 8 teams where the highest rated team from the group of 5 gets in, the conference champions of the P5 get in then the next 2 highest rated P5 teams get in. Know many don't like the very last bit, but the P5 control things so it is what it is.

(12-29-2016 12:39 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 12:37 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 12:32 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 12:23 PM)Shox Wrote:  Wow, G5 fans have battered woman syndrome. We are so used to fighting for scraps and taking orders from big brother that most just don't know better. Aren't you tired of groveling over the crumbs the P5 throws us to keep us quiet? Doesn't your school want to have the opportunity to play for a championship? This playoff would make for a 3 tier division I. FCS, G5, P5. All are DI, all could freely schedule each other and still do home and homes. If any of you played high school football, would you rather of competed at the top level knowing you would never make the playoffs or play at the level your school was at knowing you could make a run in the playoffs?

I'd wager that the P5 cease playing FCS games entirely if 3 divisions become a reality.

They need the FCS games because they want the income from 7 or 8 home games, and if they just schedule other FBS schools they can't get that every year.

G5 would be the new FCS and over time G5 schools would never host P5 schools. See the IA-IAA split

That's not gonna happen.

Frazier and others need to move this effort in a different direction.

The first goal should be to have an 8 team playoff with 1 spot guaranteed for the top G5 champ.

Until that happens the G5 should get approval for a playoff among themselves for the honor of gaining the bid to the access bowl that is currently available. It should be continued when the guaranteed playoff spot happens down the road.

Three of the current G5 bowls could be used for this. Having 5 conferences complicates the heck out of it though.

(12-29-2016 12:42 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 12:23 PM)Shox Wrote:  Wow, G5 fans have battered woman syndrome. We are so used to fighting for scraps and taking orders from big brother that most just don't know better. Aren't you tired of groveling over the crumbs the P5 throws us to keep us quiet? Doesn't your school want to have the opportunity to play for a championship? This playoff would make for a 3 tier division I. FCS, G5, P5. All are DI, all could freely schedule each other and still do home and homes. If any of you played high school football, would you rather of competed at the top level knowing you would never make the playoffs or play at the level your school was at knowing you could make a run in the playoffs?

It's not groveling, it's fighting back rather than giving up.

Listen, I hear you. In a perfect world, a 16 team FBS playoff where there are 10 autobids and 6 at large would be perfect. However, it will never happen. Alabama is not going to agree to play NIU in a first round game. They won't want to risk the injury's and open themselves up to being upset by NIU. Right now, they basically have a locked in playoff spot, win the SEC and your in the Final Four. Why would they or any P5 school vote to change that? Why not let the NCAA run it like they do in FCS. Make it open to everyone, including P5 if they want to opt in. Even if it is a glorified NIT at first, it will catch on. If anything, it creates more controversy which is always good for College Football. It would help get rid of a few of these worthless bowls in the process. The Ivy League and SWAC don't participate in the FCS playoffs, with the SWAC having its own bowl game. In D2, there are several bowl games for teams that don't make the playoffs.

It blows my mind, that a school like Memphis has never won a national championship in any sport. How many other schools are there that have never won a DI championship? I am guessing all of the Sun Belt for sure. Akron won in Soccer and has a hell of a program, don't you want to see Football have the chance to win one? A G5 national championship could totally change the trajectory of a program, like that.

(12-29-2016 12:14 PM)LaTechBanjo Wrote:  Is that what you're arguing?

Now:
- Six bowl games played around NYD
- five P5 v P5, one P5 v G5 (so 1 of 12 slots for G5)
- two of the games are semi-finals of a playoff bracket, guaranteed matchups between top 4


I think this is the most likely for an expansion to 8-team playoff:
- Six bowl games played around NYD
- five P5 v P5, one P5 v G5 (so 1 of 12 slots for G5)
- two of the games are semi-finals of a playoff bracket

- bracket is top 8 teams
- the quarter-finals of the bracket happen on campus (games: 8@1, 7@2, 6@3, 5@4), at some point between CCG weekend and the NY6 bowls
- the winners of those games play in two of the NY6 bowls, like they do now
- so the main difference is: the semi-final games could have teams from top 8 instead of strictly top 4



That's what you're looking at, or some small deviation from that. Conference auto-bids is a non-starter. G5 auto-bid is a non-starter.

(12-29-2016 01:28 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Until that happens the G5 should get approval for a playoff among themselves for the honor of gaining the bid to the access bowl that is currently available.

As interesting an idea as this is, I just don't see how this is feasible.

Even if you just took the top 2 ranked G5 champions, you'd have to squeeze at least one more game in between CCG weekend and the NY6 bowl. If four teams, then two more games. While the P5 team that is the opponent in the bowl doesn't play another game in that time (and possibly didn't play a CCG either).