(12-28-2016 03:18 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 01:54 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I don't think Temple is a football laughing stock anymore. There's a lot more talent in PA/NJ than most people think, but fighting for it with the B1G/ACC is tough and there's not as much high quality talent that falls through the cracks like there is in FL/TX/CA. Then you're selling an empty NFL stadium in a pro sports town. Temple has made good coaching hires, and that has overcome the odds, but I still think that it's a very difficult job regardless. There's just nothing about the Temple job that says that it's one of the best jobs in the conference, even if the team has performed well recently.

Coaching is still the biggest factor in any program's success -- look at Texas sucking and Florida struggling recently. But there are a lot of objective or relatively objective factors about various programs that can be used to rank them, where you'd assume that if we took the same default coach and plugged him into any one job would have a certain level of success relative to what he'd have in another job.

Agreed but how I factor the best coaching jobs is making all things equal & seeing what job a coach prefers if all were open at the same time.

For example no way Geoff Collins picks the Temple job over Houston, USF, or UCF last year if they offered him

I agree with that, never said I wasn't. Just thought you had Temple too low.

My rankings would be the following
1. UCF
2. Houston
3. USF
4. UC
5. Memphis
6. Temple
7. SMU
8. ECU
9. Navy
10. UConn
11. Tulsa
12. Tulane

(12-28-2016 04:26 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 03:18 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 01:54 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I don't think Temple is a football laughing stock anymore. There's a lot more talent in PA/NJ than most people think, but fighting for it with the B1G/ACC is tough and there's not as much high quality talent that falls through the cracks like there is in FL/TX/CA. Then you're selling an empty NFL stadium in a pro sports town. Temple has made good coaching hires, and that has overcome the odds, but I still think that it's a very difficult job regardless. There's just nothing about the Temple job that says that it's one of the best jobs in the conference, even if the team has performed well recently.

Coaching is still the biggest factor in any program's success -- look at Texas sucking and Florida struggling recently. But there are a lot of objective or relatively objective factors about various programs that can be used to rank them, where you'd assume that if we took the same default coach and plugged him into any one job would have a certain level of success relative to what he'd have in another job.

Agreed but how I factor the best coaching jobs is making all things equal & seeing what job a coach prefers if all were open at the same time.

For example no way Geoff Collins picks the Temple job over Houston, USF, or UCF last year if they offered him

I agree with that, never said I wasn't. Just thought you had Temple too low.

My rankings would be the following
1. UCF
2. Houston
3. USF
4. UC
5. Memphis
6. Temple
7. SMU
8. ECU
9. Navy
10. UConn
11. Tulsa
12. Tulane

I respect Temple and hope they stay as a winning Program. I think it's good for the Sport of College Football to have a good Program in a market like Philly

Based on conference and bowl performance, and that no one likes to coach a loser in postseason,

1. Tulsa
2. USF
3. Temple
4. Houston
5. Memphis
6. Navy
7. UCF
8. SMU
9. ECU
10. UConn
11. Cincy
12. Tulane

(12-28-2016 04:03 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 03:46 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 10:21 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Tier 1
Houston, UCF, USF, Cincinnati

Tier 2
East Carolina, SMU, Memphis, Tulsa

Tier 3
Tulane, Temple, UConn, Navy

The 1st Tier is based on recruiting, location, facilities, and fan support. Those teams are petty much at the top of any ranking on those.

The 2nd Tier has a little something working against them, but they're jobs where you can do well. ECU has their great fan support, SMU is in a great location and pays well, etc.

The 3rd Tier programs have challenges - geography, recruiting, etc. Navy is tough because your player pool is so limited; the others are all capable of moving up a tier based on being successful...there's no reason Tulane can't be as good as Tulsa has been for example. Temple is a struggle selling an empty stadium in a pro sports town, but obviously Rhule made it work.

Can't be tier 1 if you don't have your own stadium. I'm being serious.

Is Miami a Tier I ACC job?

No. FSU and Clemson are. Miami is tier 2.