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Losing Bowl Games by 3, 4, & 5 points!!!03-banghead
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Western Michigan...please salvage the MAC in the Cotton Bowl.
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Coaching too conservative in terms of game management. Toledo had chance to go for win, but took the sure thing FG, which of course is not a sure thing. Ohio punts when they should have gone, and didn't emu kick a field goal when they were on the 2yard line?
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The typical MAC choke jobs
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We still have Miami to pull an upset. They have a chance to send a message on Monday, to whet our appetites for New Years. :)

Beating Miss State would be sweet.
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(12-24-2016 03:20 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  We still have Miami to pull an upset. They have a chance to send a message on Monday, to whet our appetites for New Years. :)

Beating Miss State would be sweet.

I hadn't looked. Which MAC teams were favorites in their games, if any?

Bowl enthusiasm could help in the Miami game. MU is happy to be playing. I'm guessing Miss State is "meh."
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Miami & CMU had the biggest spreads against them -- each at about 2 TDs.

Toledo started off as a 1pt favorite for a hot second, but it flipped over to App State by a small margin once the market started going.

After the lines got settled in for a day or so -- there were no MAC favorites.

I don't frown Too much upon the bowls. I would think CMU's performance is the solid one to frown upon. The others were fights coming down to it. EMU & Ohio beat the spreads, while Toledo lost in the same fashion as Vegas predicted in an evenly matched game with App State having the edge.

Miami & WMU can do some push-back. If both were to win, beating Mississippi State and Wisconsin -- I don't think anybody will be criticizing the MAC.
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I'm not reading too much into the 14 point spread against Miami, most bettors probably just see a 5-7 SEC team and assume they'll beat down a 6-6 MAC school that lost to Eastern Illinois. At the end of the day Mississippi State lost to South Alabama and gave up 35 to UMass, and while they're a different team now than those first two games, how different are we from the first six weeks? Better yet, how motivated will they be? A team that was ranked first at one point two years ago and played in the Orange Bowl is suddenly in their worst season since Mullen took over, and with a losing record ensured, I doubt they think of this as a big-time game.
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(12-24-2016 04:09 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I'm not reading too much into the 14 point spread against Miami, most bettors probably just see a 5-7 SEC team and assume they'll beat down a 6-6 MAC school that lost to Eastern Illinois. At the end of the day Mississippi State lost to South Alabama and gave up 35 to UMass, and while they're a different team now than those first two games, how different are we from the first six weeks? Better yet, how motivated will they be? A team that was ranked first at one point two years ago and played in the Orange Bowl is suddenly in their worst season since Mullen took over, and with a losing record ensured, I doubt they think of this as a big-time game.

A Miami win is very realistic. Good luck and make some money!
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If I bet this year on bowls, which I almost did, I would have chosen to bet on:

- CMU to lose ATS to Tulsa [would have won]
- WMU to lose ATS to Wisconsin [may still bet]

I wouldn't touch the Toledo, EMU, or Ohio games with a ten-foot pole, as they could easily be close. I figured they'd err on the side of losing but so did the spread.

With Miami vs Miss State -- that's a tough one. If Miss State was favored by 17.5 or more, I'd bet on Miami if I was really wanting to make another bet. I can just as easily see Miami making it a close game as I could seeing them losing by 21. I think if I analyzed both teams deeply, I'd get a better consensus (or maybe not).
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(12-24-2016 07:46 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  If I bet this year on bowls, which I almost did, I would have chosen to bet on:

- CMU to lose ATS to Tulsa [would have won]
- WMU to lose ATS to Wisconsin [may still bet]

I wouldn't touch the Toledo, EMU, or Ohio games with a ten-foot pole, as they could easily be close. I figured they'd err on the side of losing but so did the spread.

With Miami vs Miss State -- that's a tough one. If Miss State was favored by 17.5 or more, I'd bet on Miami if I was really wanting to make another bet. I can just as easily see Miami making it a close game as I could seeing them losing by 21. I think if I analyzed both teams deeply, I'd get a better consensus (or maybe not).

It seems to me that you've got a really inconsistent team in Mississippi State. If you get the team that beat Texas A&M, soundly, Miami (OH) will be in trouble. If you get the team that lost to (and was outplayed comprehensively by) South Alabama, you're looking good.

One thing to watch out for.....Mississippi State's offense. Mississippi State will probably score a pantload. Last half of the season....they went 3-3 (losing to @Alabama, Arkansas, and @Kentucky), but they scored an average of 39 points per game. Miami has to figure out a way to stop their offense. If its a shootout, I think you guys are in trouble. If you can shorten the game by keeping it close longer and by getting some defensive stops early, then you've got a shot.

If USA can beat Miss State, Miami can too. But I'd watch the tape of that game to see what USA did... They dominated time of possession. USA's defense gambled against the run (we jammed the line just about every play) and Miss State didn't burn us too badly on passes. They mitigated Mississippi State's ridonkulous size advantage by throwing it down the field (and taking advantage of Miss State's idiotic decision to not blitz our QB). If Miami (OH) is primarily a running team on offense (Mississippi State averages 300+ lbs, with speed, on both the offensive and defensive lines) and tries to play a zone/prevent style defense (rule number one with Miss State - don't give them yards, they'll make you pay for that), I think you guys will be in trouble quickly.

Best of luck.
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(12-24-2016 01:08 PM)brovol Wrote:  Coaching too conservative in terms of game management. Toledo had chance to go for win, but took the sure thing FG, which of course is not a sure thing. Ohio punts when they should have gone, and didn't emu kick a field goal when they were on the 2yard line?

I wonder how that undefeated record looks to the committee know? 03-nutkick Anyway good luck WMU because a blowout loss could be very hurtful to the Mac Conference reputation going forward insofar as ever having a team with a great record getting respect. It's all on your guys know05-stirthepot
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(12-26-2016 07:07 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(12-24-2016 01:08 PM)brovol Wrote:  Coaching too conservative in terms of game management. Toledo had chance to go for win, but took the sure thing FG, which of course is not a sure thing. Ohio punts when they should have gone, and didn't emu kick a field goal when they were on the 2yard line?

I wonder how that undefeated record looks to the committee know? 03-nutkick Anyway good luck WMU because a blowout loss could be very hurtful to the Mac Conference reputation going forward insofar as ever having a team with a great record getting respect. It's all on your guys know05-stirthepot

I see the point you're trying to make, but when you call us the MAC Conference you lose some of your credibility.

This bowl season has been the Murphy's Law scenario for the MAC. I know that it's a lame excuse, but I really do think that WMU making the Cotton Bowl pushing our teams up a tie-in (yeah I know they don't exactly work in a rigid structure anymore) is making a difference with all of these close games. I'm pretty sure if our matchups were WMU-App State, Toledo-Troy, Ohio-Old Dominion, and so on (plus we would've played an overrated Colorado State team in Boise) the results would be quite different and we'd be singing a much different tune. Oh well, that's what you get when you send your team to Arlington.
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(12-26-2016 07:50 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(12-26-2016 07:07 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(12-24-2016 01:08 PM)brovol Wrote:  Coaching too conservative in terms of game management. Toledo had chance to go for win, but took the sure thing FG, which of course is not a sure thing. Ohio punts when they should have gone, and didn't emu kick a field goal when they were on the 2yard line?

I wonder how that undefeated record looks to the committee know? 03-nutkick Anyway good luck WMU because a blowout loss could be very hurtful to the Mac Conference reputation going forward insofar as ever having a team with a great record getting respect. It's all on your guys know05-stirthepot

I see the point you're trying to make, but when you call us the MAC Conference you lose some of your credibility.

This bowl season has been the Murphy's Law scenario for the MAC. I know that it's a lame excuse, but I really do think that WMU making the Cotton Bowl pushing our teams up a tie-in (yeah I know they don't exactly work in a rigid structure anymore) is making a difference with all of these close games. I'm pretty sure if our matchups were WMU-App State, Toledo-Troy, Ohio-Old Dominion, and so on (plus we would've played an overrated Colorado State team in Boise) the results would be quite different and we'd be singing a much different tune. Oh well, that's what you get when you send your team to Arlington.
That is a very good point, but I have to wonder what effect and 0 fer bowl season would have on the next Mac team that post an incredible record, especially if it's a blowout. I would equate it to a boxer with a 25-0 record yet had never faced a ranked opponent getting knocked out in the 2nd round. That would be devastating to that fighters reputation. Here's hoping for the best. Goodluck WMU, you'll have the entire conference on your backs07-coffee3
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(12-26-2016 08:03 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(12-26-2016 07:50 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(12-26-2016 07:07 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(12-24-2016 01:08 PM)brovol Wrote:  Coaching too conservative in terms of game management. Toledo had chance to go for win, but took the sure thing FG, which of course is not a sure thing. Ohio punts when they should have gone, and didn't emu kick a field goal when they were on the 2yard line?

I wonder how that undefeated record looks to the committee know? 03-nutkick Anyway good luck WMU because a blowout loss could be very hurtful to the Mac Conference reputation going forward insofar as ever having a team with a great record getting respect. It's all on your guys know05-stirthepot

I see the point you're trying to make, but when you call us the MAC Conference you lose some of your credibility.

This bowl season has been the Murphy's Law scenario for the MAC. I know that it's a lame excuse, but I really do think that WMU making the Cotton Bowl pushing our teams up a tie-in (yeah I know they don't exactly work in a rigid structure anymore) is making a difference with all of these close games. I'm pretty sure if our matchups were WMU-App State, Toledo-Troy, Ohio-Old Dominion, and so on (plus we would've played an overrated Colorado State team in Boise) the results would be quite different and we'd be singing a much different tune. Oh well, that's what you get when you send your team to Arlington.
That is a very good point, but I have to wonder what effect and 0 fer bowl season would have on the next Mac team that post an incredible record, especially if it's a blowout. I would equate it to a boxer with a 25-0 record yet had never faced a ranked opponent getting knocked out in the 2nd round. That would be devastating to that fighters reputation. Here's hoping for the best. Goodluck WMU, you'll have the entire conference on your backs07-coffee3

You're way overstating it. Each season pretty much stands on its own. The OOC wins of each season are far more important than the score of a game the previous season. But if you're right and next year's committee values the bowl season from previous year, I guess the MAC and our fellow G5 brothers in the AAC are screwed before we start the season based on this year's bowl performances.
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(12-26-2016 08:23 PM)axeme Wrote:  
(12-26-2016 08:03 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(12-26-2016 07:50 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(12-26-2016 07:07 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(12-24-2016 01:08 PM)brovol Wrote:  Coaching too conservative in terms of game management. Toledo had chance to go for win, but took the sure thing FG, which of course is not a sure thing. Ohio punts when they should have gone, and didn't emu kick a field goal when they were on the 2yard line?

I wonder how that undefeated record looks to the committee know? 03-nutkick Anyway good luck WMU because a blowout loss could be very hurtful to the Mac Conference reputation going forward insofar as ever having a team with a great record getting respect. It's all on your guys know05-stirthepot

I see the point you're trying to make, but when you call us the MAC Conference you lose some of your credibility.

This bowl season has been the Murphy's Law scenario for the MAC. I know that it's a lame excuse, but I really do think that WMU making the Cotton Bowl pushing our teams up a tie-in (yeah I know they don't exactly work in a rigid structure anymore) is making a difference with all of these close games. I'm pretty sure if our matchups were WMU-App State, Toledo-Troy, Ohio-Old Dominion, and so on (plus we would've played an overrated Colorado State team in Boise) the results would be quite different and we'd be singing a much different tune. Oh well, that's what you get when you send your team to Arlington.
That is a very good point, but I have to wonder what effect and 0 fer bowl season would have on the next Mac team that post an incredible record, especially if it's a blowout. I would equate it to a boxer with a 25-0 record yet had never faced a ranked opponent getting knocked out in the 2nd round. That would be devastating to that fighters reputation. Here's hoping for the best. Goodluck WMU, you'll have the entire conference on your backs07-coffee3

You're way overstating it. Each season pretty much stands on its own. The OOC wins of each season are far more important than the score of a game the previous season. But if you're right and next year's committee values the bowl season from previous year, I guess the MAC and our fellow G5 brothers in the AAC are screwed before we start the season based on this year's bowl performances.

Well the AAC still has a chance to finish 3-4 with 2 P5 wins, but has any other conference gone 0 fer in recent history.?
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(12-23-2016 11:34 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  Losing Bowl Games by 3, 4, 5 and 1 point!!!03-banghead

Updated.:(
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(12-26-2016 08:29 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(12-26-2016 08:23 PM)axeme Wrote:  
(12-26-2016 08:03 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(12-26-2016 07:50 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(12-26-2016 07:07 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  I wonder how that undefeated record looks to the committee know? 03-nutkick Anyway good luck WMU because a blowout loss could be very hurtful to the Mac Conference reputation going forward insofar as ever having a team with a great record getting respect. It's all on your guys know05-stirthepot

I see the point you're trying to make, but when you call us the MAC Conference you lose some of your credibility.

This bowl season has been the Murphy's Law scenario for the MAC. I know that it's a lame excuse, but I really do think that WMU making the Cotton Bowl pushing our teams up a tie-in (yeah I know they don't exactly work in a rigid structure anymore) is making a difference with all of these close games. I'm pretty sure if our matchups were WMU-App State, Toledo-Troy, Ohio-Old Dominion, and so on (plus we would've played an overrated Colorado State team in Boise) the results would be quite different and we'd be singing a much different tune. Oh well, that's what you get when you send your team to Arlington.
That is a very good point, but I have to wonder what effect and 0 fer bowl season would have on the next Mac team that post an incredible record, especially if it's a blowout. I would equate it to a boxer with a 25-0 record yet had never faced a ranked opponent getting knocked out in the 2nd round. That would be devastating to that fighters reputation. Here's hoping for the best. Goodluck WMU, you'll have the entire conference on your backs07-coffee3

You're way overstating it. Each season pretty much stands on its own. The OOC wins of each season are far more important than the score of a game the previous season. But if you're right and next year's committee values the bowl season from previous year, I guess the MAC and our fellow G5 brothers in the AAC are screwed before we start the season based on this year's bowl performances.

Well the AAC still has a chance to finish 3-4 with 2 P5 wins, but has any other conference gone 0 fer in recent history.?

Yes.
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(12-26-2016 07:07 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(12-24-2016 01:08 PM)brovol Wrote:  Coaching too conservative in terms of game management. Toledo had chance to go for win, but took the sure thing FG, which of course is not a sure thing. Ohio punts when they should have gone, and didn't emu kick a field goal when they were on the 2yard line?

I wonder how that undefeated record looks to the committee know? 03-nutkick Anyway good luck WMU because a blowout loss could be very hurtful to the Mac Conference reputation going forward insofar as ever having a team with a great record getting respect. It's all on your guys know05-stirthepot

The exact same as it did before.

Our closest "competitor" for the NY6 spot down the stretch was Navy, who now boasts an ugly 5 losses.

So who else? Conference champs Temple, SDSU, WKU, and App State each have 3 losses, which would be absurd to pass an undefeated team.
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(12-26-2016 08:29 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(12-26-2016 08:23 PM)axeme Wrote:  You're way overstating it. Each season pretty much stands on its own. The OOC wins of each season are far more important than the score of a game the previous season. But if you're right and next year's committee values the bowl season from previous year, I guess the MAC and our fellow G5 brothers in the AAC are screwed before we start the season based on this year's bowl performances.

Well the AAC still has a chance to finish 3-4 with 2 P5 wins, but has any other conference gone 0 fer in recent history.?

The fact you don't know offhand when it was a whopping three years ago says how big of an impact it had.
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