(12-22-2016 01:05 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  I'll be surprised if Tubby's here for his entire contract - either by way of his decision or other factors. I don't think he would've been hired to begin with if it hadn't been for the safe hire perspective and the powers-that-be's certain thoughts around imminent B12 inclusion.

I agree. Tubby is a great guy, solid coach and at this point, no-nonsense. However, I cannot see how he'll be able to elevate this program at this point. Right now, the program is in desperate need for some excitement. I will be honest: Tubby would've been a great replacement for Cal in that CJP lucked into some of the best/deepest high school Memphis talent in a long time.

Imagine if Tubby had JJ, Adonis, Chris Crawford, Tarik Black under his tutelage. Tubby isn't going to be a great recruiter, but JJ, Adonis, Crawford and Tarik were pretty much a lock to be Tigers no matter who was the coach and Tubby would've done much better than CJP with that roster.

I am a Tiger thru and thru. But I also have a family. I'll deal with the following:

1) being downtown (with pocket knife and tazer)
2) paying high prices for concessions
3) downtown parking prices

But I'm only doing these things to see a decent game. Who wants to see Incarnate Word?! Our schedule is pathetic!

(12-22-2016 05:18 PM)gusrob Wrote:  I am a Tiger thru and thru. But I also have a family. I'll deal with the following:

1) being downtown (with pocket knife and tazer)
2) paying high prices for concessions
3) downtown parking prices

But I'm only doing these things to see a decent game. Who wants to see Incarnate Word?! Our schedule is pathetic!

How are you able to go through security at the FedExForum doors with a pocket knife and tazer?

He's not.

(12-22-2016 07:05 AM)Hoots Wrote:  I don't believe it will take "years and years" to undo the damage of the previous...ahem...administration. Winning is the best recruiting tool there is. Pocket a few more games like we saw at Oklahoma and the seats will fill up.

I agree ... ! Winning in the short-run is definitely the key. But I also think that a good 2017 recruiting class would do a lot to generate excitement and support for the program going into next year ... !!!

(12-22-2016 05:43 PM)HobosHeroesStCornerClowns Wrote:  

(12-22-2016 05:18 PM)gusrob Wrote:  I am a Tiger thru and thru. But I also have a family. I'll deal with the following:

1) being downtown (with pocket knife and tazer)
2) paying high prices for concessions
3) downtown parking prices

But I'm only doing these things to see a decent game. Who wants to see Incarnate Word?! Our schedule is pathetic!

How are you able to go through security at the FedExForum doors with a pocket knife and tazer?

Downtown Memphis is very safe relative to the amount of people. I'm there fairly often and have never felt threatened.

I can point to one game in particular when a lot of the fans said "screw it"

That beatdown to UConn at home in the first round of the AAC tourney

Hardly anyone went to Raleigh for the NCAA that year when the year before we had quite a few fans at Auburn Hills

Just look at attendance since the 2014 season

(12-22-2016 05:43 PM)HobosHeroesStCornerClowns Wrote:  

(12-22-2016 05:18 PM)gusrob Wrote:  I am a Tiger thru and thru. But I also have a family. I'll deal with the following:

1) being downtown (with pocket knife and tazer)
2) paying high prices for concessions
3) downtown parking prices

But I'm only doing these things to see a decent game. Who wants to see Incarnate Word?! Our schedule is pathetic!

How are you able to go through security at the FedExForum doors with a pocket knife and tazer?

Same way inmates get drugs into prison. The technical term is "kiestering."

I personally would never go to such lengths but to each his own

Attendance is tied to performance but also in response to the opponent quality. Right now our program strength (lack of it) & poor OOC schedule have combined in the perfect storm to greatly affect interest in the program & attendance. It's just that simple.

(12-23-2016 11:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Attendance is tied to performance but also in response to the opponent quality. Right now our program strength (lack of it) & poor OOC schedule have combined in the perfect storm to greatly affect interest in the program & attendance. It's just that simple.

The perfect storm is getting a big out of Memphis and have a Memphis starting 5 make a run next year.

That would fill the stadium completely if marketed correctly.

(12-23-2016 11:12 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-23-2016 11:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Attendance is tied to performance but also in response to the opponent quality. Right now our program strength (lack of it) & poor OOC schedule have combined in the perfect storm to greatly affect interest in the program & attendance. It's just that simple.

The perfect storm is getting a big out of Memphis and have a Memphis starting 5 make a run next year.

That would fill the stadium completely if marketed correctly.

Really need a break like this...a hometown heroes type team to win the AAC and make a deep run. Heck, just a splash recruit would pump some life in the program. Don't see it happening though.

(12-23-2016 11:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Attendance is tied to performance but also in response to the opponent quality. Right now our program strength (lack of it) & poor OOC schedule have combined in the perfect storm to greatly affect interest in the program & attendance. It's just that simple.

Josh Pastner caused ALL of that.

We weren't as good and it wasn't worth it for teams like Gonzaga to play us home and home anymore when they can play other teams with better rpis

I had a feeling this will the bottoming out year. It will rise from here

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FYI, Tubby was over in the Carolinas yesterday and visited Devon Dotson and Trey Wertz, 2018 backcourt teammates for Providence HS in Charlotte. He also made a visit to Zion Williamson, a consensus top 3 recruit for 2018.

Obviously he faces stiff competition and long odds, but it's good to see this activity.

http://247sports.com/Player/Zion-Williamson-85997

http://247sports.com/Player/Devon-Dotson-86263

http://247sports.com/Player/Trey-Wertz-46035831

(12-23-2016 10:14 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(12-22-2016 05:43 PM)HobosHeroesStCornerClowns Wrote:  

(12-22-2016 05:18 PM)gusrob Wrote:  I am a Tiger thru and thru. But I also have a family. I'll deal with the following:

1) being downtown (with pocket knife and tazer)
2) paying high prices for concessions
3) downtown parking prices

But I'm only doing these things to see a decent game. Who wants to see Incarnate Word?! Our schedule is pathetic!

How are you able to go through security at the FedExForum doors with a pocket knife and tazer?

Same way inmates get drugs into prison. The technical term is "kiestering."

I personally would never go to such lengths but to each his own

Imagine if the taser goes off while hidden. People would say that poor guy had the worst seizure imaginable.

"1) being downtown (with pocket knife and tazer)
2) paying high prices for concessions
3) downtown parking prices"

And add:

4) liability of taser misfire
5) possible cavity search

(12-23-2016 11:40 AM)fsquid Wrote:  I had a feeling this will the bottoming out year. It will rise from here

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Agreed

(12-21-2016 11:49 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 11:22 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  It's going to take years and years and years to repair the damage. People's viewing habits have changed after Josh. People simply gave up and found other things to do. Even if the diehards are still there, they are having a harder time convincing wives etc. to care. Younger fans have been lost. This is what happens when a program is left in the hands of a child who has no idea what he is doing.

Plus you have a coach now who thinks it's not part of his job responsibility to "recruit" fans.

Probably going to regret this, but...What are you talking about?

(12-21-2016 10:50 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I am an OOTer and I've been reading the men's BB attendance figures on GoTigersGo and am seeing at least 3 games with attendance under 8k. So, my question is this:

Are these figures announced attendance in terms of tickets sold OR is it actual people in the seats (due to the Grizzly clause)?

If these are tickets sold (rather than butts in the seats), this is not good, not good at all. I know that our early home schedule is not the greatest, but these figures just really seem to take the wind out of the sails of the program. I was in Memphis for CJP's first two years and attendance figures held up pretty well....had no idea if things are this bad right now attendance-wise.

Tickets sold and it will not get any better any time soon. While not making NCAA last two years had some effect. The success of the Griz have had a bigger effect.

Right now this is Grizzlies town and until that changes we will not see the massive numbers of the past.

This can change by either Tigers making deep runs into the NCAA or the Gris begin to miss the playoffs.

I do not see them missing the playoff any time soon.

(12-23-2016 01:53 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 10:50 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I am an OOTer and I've been reading the men's BB attendance figures on GoTigersGo and am seeing at least 3 games with attendance under 8k. So, my question is this:

Are these figures announced attendance in terms of tickets sold OR is it actual people in the seats (due to the Grizzly clause)?

If these are tickets sold (rather than butts in the seats), this is not good, not good at all. I know that our early home schedule is not the greatest, but these figures just really seem to take the wind out of the sails of the program. I was in Memphis for CJP's first two years and attendance figures held up pretty well....had no idea if things are this bad right now attendance-wise.

Tickets sold and it will not get any better any time soon. While not making NCAA last two years had some effect. The success of the Griz have had a bigger effect.

Right now this is Grizzlies town and until that changes we will not see the massive numbers of the past.

This can change by either Tigers making deep runs into the NCAA or the Gris begin to miss the playoffs.

I do not see them missing the playoff any time soon.

The Grizz have nothing to do with it. 2 different fan bases

Back in 13-14 both teams were getting 15K plus most nights

In fact you could blame Tiger football's success more than the Griz IMO

The main culprit is JOSH PASTNER.

(12-22-2016 07:05 AM)Hoots Wrote:  I don't believe it will take "years and years" to undo the damage of the previous...ahem...administration. Winning is the best recruiting tool there is. Pocket a few more games like we saw at Oklahoma and the seats will fill up.

Right now the city of Memphis is a Grizzlies Basketball town. They own basketball in this town presently. As long as they continue to make it to second rounds of playoff they will continue to own town. When they stop making it to playoff then you will see their attendance drop and our increase. Unless Tigers begin to make very deep runs into post season.