(12-21-2016 07:04 AM)Jack Hoff Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 06:55 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  So far our bowls have been these matchups:

AAC #6 Houston vs. Mtn West #1 San Diego St
AAC #7 UCF vs. Sun Belt #2 Arkansas St
AAC #4 Tulsa vs. MAC #7 C Michigan
AAC #5 Memphis vs. C-USA #1 W Kentucky


As you can see, our 4th-7th place teams have played (and lost, save for Tulsa) vs the G4 1st, 1st, 2nd, and 7th teams).

This is what I was talking about right here...our middling teams, who aren't excited anyway have to play for the most part the best teams in the G4 who are giddy to be in a bowl and against a power conference team.


To me, this is a no win scenario: We win, and the nation says, "So, you beat a G4 team". We lose, (and we have) the nation laughs at us and says, "you can't beat a G4 team".

No win scenario.

Aresco need to fix this next bowl go around.

All bowls should be against P5 teams only.

You know, you are EXACTLY right. I won't even argue with you. If you take away the bowls that the AAC struck with G5 schools, the league would only have 2 bowls, Armed Forces and Birmingham. That means that your best two teams, Temple and USF, get to bowl against 6-6 SEC and Big 12 teams while Houston, UCF, Tulsa, Navy, and Memphis stay home.

Extrapolating this logic to C-USA, we would only have 1 bowl tie in vs. the P5. Our best team, WKU, would bowl and USM, La. Tech, Middle Tennessee, Old Dominion, and North Texas would stay home. Our best teams would sometimes get to beat a 6-6 team from the Big 10 or Pac 12 if we are having a great day.

On a serious note, you know that the AAC and C-USA are doing the best that they can in making these bowl agreements, right? We have no freaking leverage. The P5 wants nothing to do with us, therefore we invent bowls in order to be able to play each other (G5) schools.

In the "real world," where some of us still live, the AAC and C-USA together only produce about 3 bowl-worthy teams that warrant bowls that have even the slightest amount of significance. If our leagues hadn't created our own bowls, we would all be sitting at home watching the gap grow wider and wider.

Flame away...

(12-21-2016 12:39 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 12:30 PM)Bull Wrote:  Our bowl outcome is DEFINITELY being influenced by loss of coaches. Regular season much more legitimate indicator of our performance.

Did not seem to affect WKU all that much.

Good for them. You thought Houston performed just as they would have under Herman? How did UC do in the BCS bowl after BK left for ND? Come on man, you lose your coach and some assistants... not only does that rip out part of your management, it also hurts morale. These are kids.

(12-21-2016 12:30 PM)Bull Wrote:  Our bowl outcome is DEFINITELY being influenced by loss of coaches. Regular season much more legitimate indicator of our performance.

Um... WKU lost their coach. Memphis didn't. Please explain the extenuating circumstance that led to that debacle.

(12-21-2016 12:30 PM)Bull Wrote:  Our bowl outcome is DEFINITELY being influenced by loss of coaches. Regular season much more legitimate indicator of our performance.

Unfortunately, WKU lost their coach and still hung 50 on Memphis last night.

Coaches move around all the time, it's a fact of life. We need to win bowl games, because they are just a lot higher-profile than regular season games between G5 teams, and conference pride is more explicitly on the line.

We just need to start getting it done for crissakes, and I hope our Bulls are part of the solution next week.

(12-21-2016 06:55 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  So far our bowls have been these matchups:

AAC #6 Houston vs. Mtn West #1 San Diego St
AAC #7 UCF vs. Sun Belt #2 Arkansas St
AAC #4 Tulsa vs. MAC #7 C Michigan
AAC #5 Memphis vs. C-USA #1 W Kentucky


As you can see, our 4th-7th place teams have played (and lost, save for Tulsa) vs the G4 1st, 1st, 2nd, and 7th teams).

This is what I was talking about right here...our middling teams, who aren't excited anyway have to play for the most part the best teams in the G4 who are giddy to be in a bowl and against a power conference team.


To me, this is a no win scenario: We win, and the nation says, "So, you beat a G4 team". We lose, (and we have) the nation laughs at us and says, "you can't beat a G4 team".

No win scenario.

Aresco need to fix this next bowl go around.

Sorry, didn't see a power conference team in any of those 4 games.

(12-21-2016 01:48 PM)born in the burg Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 07:04 AM)Jack Hoff Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 06:55 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  So far our bowls have been these matchups:

AAC #6 Houston vs. Mtn West #1 San Diego St
AAC #7 UCF vs. Sun Belt #2 Arkansas St
AAC #4 Tulsa vs. MAC #7 C Michigan
AAC #5 Memphis vs. C-USA #1 W Kentucky


As you can see, our 4th-7th place teams have played (and lost, save for Tulsa) vs the G4 1st, 1st, 2nd, and 7th teams).

This is what I was talking about right here...our middling teams, who aren't excited anyway have to play for the most part the best teams in the G4 who are giddy to be in a bowl and against a power conference team.


To me, this is a no win scenario: We win, and the nation says, "So, you beat a G4 team". We lose, (and we have) the nation laughs at us and says, "you can't beat a G4 team".

No win scenario.

Aresco need to fix this next bowl go around.

All bowls should be against P5 teams only.

You know, you are EXACTLY right. I won't even argue with you. If you take away the bowls that the AAC struck with G5 schools, the league would only have 2 bowls, Armed Forces and Birmingham. That means that your best two teams, Temple and USF, get to bowl against 6-6 SEC and Big 12 teams while Houston, UCF, Tulsa, Navy, and Memphis stay home.

Extrapolating this logic to C-USA, we would only have 1 bowl tie in vs. the P5. Our best team, WKU, would bowl and USM, La. Tech, Middle Tennessee, Old Dominion, and North Texas would stay home. Our best teams would sometimes get to beat a 6-6 team from the Big 10 or Pac 12 if we are having a great day.

On a serious note, you know that the AAC and C-USA are doing the best that they can in making these bowl agreements, right? We have no freaking leverage. The P5 wants nothing to do with us, therefore we invent bowls in order to be able to play each other (G5) schools.

In the "real world," where some of us still live, the AAC and C-USA together only produce about 3 bowl-worthy teams that warrant bowls that have even the slightest amount of significance. If our leagues hadn't created our own bowls, we would all be sitting at home watching the gap grow wider and wider.

Flame away...

How about the fact that AAC has 4 tie-ins with other P6 teams? Armed Forces, Military, Birmingham, & St Pete

Unfortunately, this year BigXII couldn't come through with enough teams, so Navy gets backup tie-in opponent in the Armed Forces Bowl. (Conference runner-up vs conference runner-up, so I won't complain about the matchup too much. I honestly have no idea how Navy will play with all our injuries; with finals from 12th-20th only light workouts Saturday and Monday)
When ACC couldn't come up with a team for the St Pete bowl, MAC backup got in -- therefore when Aresco and the team were able to swing the deal for Las Vegas and a G4 champ, that was the one we left by the wayside - Our P6 SEC brothers got our leftovers in St Pete.