Is there any concern that either of these guys jump in the draft after this year? I hate to bring up next year, but if they stay I think 17/18 would be by far Mick's most talented team yet.

I don't see it, but you never know what goes through the individuals' minds. Anything is possible.

i'd be really surprised if either of them did after this season.

Players are allowed to test it now and go to some of the draft camps. If they don't get good feedback, they can come back. One of the XU players did that in the past couple of years and came back. If Evans and Washington continue to tear it up, they might try that route also.

I dont see either going after this year

I don't see either going after next year. My bet is neither gets drafted. Kilpatrick was a much much better scorer, a first team all american, and it still took him several years in the d-league to finally get onto an nba team.

Evans will get drafted but not this year.

You don't find too many 6'6" guys that can dribble and shoot like he can. He is still young and may still grow an inch or two.

He will create some bad matchups even in the NBA.

I think Evans will play in the league at some point (probably not next year, but nothing surprises me anymore).

For SK, his biggest hurdle was his age. After prep school and redshirting a year, it seems like there weren't many teams willing to take a chance on a rookie in his mid-20s when you have talented 18 & 19 year olds you can mold.

Hats off to SK, though, who proved perseverance and hard work (when combined with talent) can provide results regardless of how young or old you are.

(12-21-2016 07:49 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Players are allowed to test it now and go to some of the draft camps. If they don't get good feedback, they can come back. One of the XU players did that in the past couple of years and came back. If Evans and Washington continue to tear it up, they might try that route also.

Sumner, Blueitt and Reynolds looked at going pro last year. Reynolds signed an agent but sumner and blueitt both came back. It seemed to help bluiett but sumner has looked timid with nba scouts in the stands.

I could see both Washington and Evans putting their names in but not signing agents. I think they will both be back though.

(12-21-2016 08:26 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  I think Evans will play in the league at some point (probably not next year, but nothing surprises me anymore).

For SK, his biggest hurdle was his age. After prep school and redshirting a year, it seems like there weren't many teams willing to take a chance on a rookie in his mid-20s when you have talented 18 & 19 year olds you can mold.

Hats off to SK, though, who proved perseverance and hard work (when combined with talent) can provide results regardless of how young or old you are.

Admittedly, I don't follow the NBA closely. But I was always puzzled by the concern about SK's age. I suspect NBA careers aren't as short as those of NFL players but SK having some physical and mental maturity have proven to be assets to the Nets. Without a debilitating injury, couldn't he could play 4-5 more years at a minimum? I just look at the failure rate of NBA players who come from high school or a year of college and that seems like the riskier proposition.

(12-21-2016 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 08:26 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  I think Evans will play in the league at some point (probably not next year, but nothing surprises me anymore).

For SK, his biggest hurdle was his age. After prep school and redshirting a year, it seems like there weren't many teams willing to take a chance on a rookie in his mid-20s when you have talented 18 & 19 year olds you can mold.

Hats off to SK, though, who proved perseverance and hard work (when combined with talent) can provide results regardless of how young or old you are.

Admittedly, I don't follow the NBA closely. But I was always puzzled by the concern about SK's age. I suspect NBA careers aren't as short as those of NFL players but SK having some physical and mental maturity have proven to be assets to the Nets. Without a debilitating injury, couldn't he could play 4-5 more years at a minimum? I just look at the failure rate of NBA players who come from high school or a year of college and that seems like the riskier proposition.

But if you can get a player with similar talent levels as SK when he is 19 or 20 then you could have that player contribute a lot longer in your program.

Just like in business. If you have two candidates with similar capabilities and one is 40 and the other 60, chances are that you will hire the 40 year old for less than the 60 year old and have that employee for many years to come rather than a couple of years for the older prospect.

(12-21-2016 09:05 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 08:26 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  I think Evans will play in the league at some point (probably not next year, but nothing surprises me anymore).

For SK, his biggest hurdle was his age. After prep school and redshirting a year, it seems like there weren't many teams willing to take a chance on a rookie in his mid-20s when you have talented 18 & 19 year olds you can mold.

Hats off to SK, though, who proved perseverance and hard work (when combined with talent) can provide results regardless of how young or old you are.

Admittedly, I don't follow the NBA closely. But I was always puzzled by the concern about SK's age. I suspect NBA careers aren't as short as those of NFL players but SK having some physical and mental maturity have proven to be assets to the Nets. Without a debilitating injury, couldn't he could play 4-5 more years at a minimum? I just look at the failure rate of NBA players who come from high school or a year of college and that seems like the riskier proposition.

But if you can get a player with similar talent levels as SK when he is 19 or 20 then you could have that player contribute a lot longer in your program.

Just like in business. If you have two candidates with similar capabilities and one is 40 and the other 60, chances are that you will hire the 40 year old for less than the 60 year old and have that employee for many years to come rather than a couple of years for the older prospect.

I think you're describing textbook age discrimination.

(12-21-2016 09:11 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 09:05 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 08:26 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  I think Evans will play in the league at some point (probably not next year, but nothing surprises me anymore).

For SK, his biggest hurdle was his age. After prep school and redshirting a year, it seems like there weren't many teams willing to take a chance on a rookie in his mid-20s when you have talented 18 & 19 year olds you can mold.

Hats off to SK, though, who proved perseverance and hard work (when combined with talent) can provide results regardless of how young or old you are.

Admittedly, I don't follow the NBA closely. But I was always puzzled by the concern about SK's age. I suspect NBA careers aren't as short as those of NFL players but SK having some physical and mental maturity have proven to be assets to the Nets. Without a debilitating injury, couldn't he could play 4-5 more years at a minimum? I just look at the failure rate of NBA players who come from high school or a year of college and that seems like the riskier proposition.

But if you can get a player with similar talent levels as SK when he is 19 or 20 then you could have that player contribute a lot longer in your program.

Just like in business. If you have two candidates with similar capabilities and one is 40 and the other 60, chances are that you will hire the 40 year old for less than the 60 year old and have that employee for many years to come rather than a couple of years for the older prospect.

I think you're describing textbook age discrimination.

That is always going to exist

(12-21-2016 09:11 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 09:05 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 08:26 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  I think Evans will play in the league at some point (probably not next year, but nothing surprises me anymore).

For SK, his biggest hurdle was his age. After prep school and redshirting a year, it seems like there weren't many teams willing to take a chance on a rookie in his mid-20s when you have talented 18 & 19 year olds you can mold.

Hats off to SK, though, who proved perseverance and hard work (when combined with talent) can provide results regardless of how young or old you are.

Admittedly, I don't follow the NBA closely. But I was always puzzled by the concern about SK's age. I suspect NBA careers aren't as short as those of NFL players but SK having some physical and mental maturity have proven to be assets to the Nets. Without a debilitating injury, couldn't he could play 4-5 more years at a minimum? I just look at the failure rate of NBA players who come from high school or a year of college and that seems like the riskier proposition.

But if you can get a player with similar talent levels as SK when he is 19 or 20 then you could have that player contribute a lot longer in your program.

Just like in business. If you have two candidates with similar capabilities and one is 40 and the other 60, chances are that you will hire the 40 year old for less than the 60 year old and have that employee for many years to come rather than a couple of years for the older prospect.

I think you're describing textbook age discrimination.

Happens every day in every industry.

Do you think older actresses actually forgot how to act? They don't get hired because they don't look as good as they used to and don't sell as many tickets. How about baseball player that cannot carry the numbers they used to. Technically you could make a case for age discrimination when they are released because they team will probably replace him with a younger, cheaper model.

You can go on and on with different cases in every industry.

Right or wrong it won't ever change.

(12-21-2016 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 08:26 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  I think Evans will play in the league at some point (probably not next year, but nothing surprises me anymore).

For SK, his biggest hurdle was his age. After prep school and redshirting a year, it seems like there weren't many teams willing to take a chance on a rookie in his mid-20s when you have talented 18 & 19 year olds you can mold.

Hats off to SK, though, who proved perseverance and hard work (when combined with talent) can provide results regardless of how young or old you are.

Admittedly, I don't follow the NBA closely. But I was always puzzled by the concern about SK's age. I suspect NBA careers aren't as short as those of NFL players but SK having some physical and mental maturity have proven to be assets to the Nets. Without a debilitating injury, couldn't he could play 4-5 more years at a minimum? I just look at the failure rate of NBA players who come from high school or a year of college and that seems like the riskier proposition.

SK's issues were not all about age. He had 2 other things that worked against him:

1) He is only 6'4". That would tower over me, but it is short for a 2 guard in the NBA. Even today, when Sean is guarding a big 2 (e.g., 6'9"), the other team runs a clear out and posts Sean up. Being 6'4" doesn't effect his scoring -- it hurts his defense.

2) Coming out of school, Sean's ball handling was weak. In the NBA, you HAVE to be able to create your own shot. Over the last 2 years, Sean has worked very long hours on his ball skills and he has, for the most part, erased that deficit.

(12-21-2016 09:35 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 09:11 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 09:05 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 08:26 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  I think Evans will play in the league at some point (probably not next year, but nothing surprises me anymore).

For SK, his biggest hurdle was his age. After prep school and redshirting a year, it seems like there weren't many teams willing to take a chance on a rookie in his mid-20s when you have talented 18 & 19 year olds you can mold.

Hats off to SK, though, who proved perseverance and hard work (when combined with talent) can provide results regardless of how young or old you are.

Admittedly, I don't follow the NBA closely. But I was always puzzled by the concern about SK's age. I suspect NBA careers aren't as short as those of NFL players but SK having some physical and mental maturity have proven to be assets to the Nets. Without a debilitating injury, couldn't he could play 4-5 more years at a minimum? I just look at the failure rate of NBA players who come from high school or a year of college and that seems like the riskier proposition.

But if you can get a player with similar talent levels as SK when he is 19 or 20 then you could have that player contribute a lot longer in your program.

Just like in business. If you have two candidates with similar capabilities and one is 40 and the other 60, chances are that you will hire the 40 year old for less than the 60 year old and have that employee for many years to come rather than a couple of years for the older prospect.

I think you're describing textbook age discrimination.

Happens every day in every industry.

Do you think older actresses actually forgot how to act? They don't get hired because they don't look as good as they used to and don't sell as many tickets. How about baseball player that cannot carry the numbers they used to. Technically you could make a case for age discrimination when they are released because they team will probably replace him with a younger, cheaper model.

You can go on and on with different cases in every industry.

Right or wrong it won't ever change.

Right it is very big in the IT industry. They like getting the younger guys once you are over 45 or 50 it is hard to get a job or keep it.

I think both stand to gain more by not declaring this season.
Washington still needs to work on his defense and his footwork and come next year, I believe he'll be one of the best power forwards(what he projects as at the next level) in the draft. Evans needs to become more aggressive and note by that, I don't mean force things, he just needs to be more confident. Evans had the handle, the defense, the shooting but he also needs to work on his ability to score going different directions.


The good news is, their faults are things that can be fixed in time for the 18 draft and that draft unlike this one, isn't nearly as deep imo.
There's a decent chance they both go as first rounders, that would be huge for them and for the program. Add to that the fact that if Cane Broom is as good as people make him out to be, the spotlight will likely be this team in March.

Makes way too much sense to stay IMO.

Both need at least another year. Unless you are a first round pick, not worth the risk. With foreign players being drafted a good bit too, you need to be a top 15 player in NCAA to declare early. Too many do it and regret it. I just think both need at least one more year.

(12-21-2016 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 08:26 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  I think Evans will play in the league at some point (probably not next year, but nothing surprises me anymore).

For SK, his biggest hurdle was his age. After prep school and redshirting a year, it seems like there weren't many teams willing to take a chance on a rookie in his mid-20s when you have talented 18 & 19 year olds you can mold.

Hats off to SK, though, who proved perseverance and hard work (when combined with talent) can provide results regardless of how young or old you are.

Admittedly, I don't follow the NBA closely. But I was always puzzled by the concern about SK's age. I suspect NBA careers aren't as short as those of NFL players but SK having some physical and mental maturity have proven to be assets to the Nets. Without a debilitating injury, couldn't he could play 4-5 more years at a minimum? I just look at the failure rate of NBA players who come from high school or a year of college and that seems like the riskier proposition.

When it comes to prospects, i feel that it's all about contracts and retention. i think the fact that a prospect is being considered by a team implies they are projecting some form of success. i guess the overly simplified example would be that you are choosing between two certified used cars, that will perform roughly the same until about 100,000 mile mark at which point they will start to deteriorate. The first car starts with 30,000 miles, the second car has 12,000 miles. if they cost roughly the same, which one do you purchase? i realize it's an oversimplification and that a lot of other factors are in play but teams are trying to maximize the value of their contracts by paying players for their peak years, including the ascension to those years, and limiting the pay for years when they start to decline. SK was 24 (iirc) when he went pro. if you draft an 19-20 year old who has the same trajectory, you'll get 4-5 years more of peak production, in theory.

(12-21-2016 11:33 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  Both need at least another year. Unless you are a first round pick, not worth the risk. With foreign players being drafted a good bit too, you need to be a top 15 player in NCAA to declare early. Too many do it and regret it. I just think both need at least one more year.

Agreed.

To be honest, both guys need some polishing. Evans still needs to get stronger taking the ball to the rim. KW needs to become more physical to play at the next level. It's one thing to drop 24 and grab 10 against some school with a hyphenated name, but the Butler game is an example of a game that he did not fare as well.