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RE: Evans/Washington NBA?
The SK age concern was not related to how long they'll have him. It's because a younger player has more room for development. SK was pretty much a completed product when he came out. He still should've been drafted because the completed product is a pretty damn good one. Evans age will work in his advantage as he is young for his grade.

I don't see it with Kyle. He'll have the same 5th year senior concerns as SK without SKs talent. I think he's a gunner and the NBA isn't looking for an end of the bench guy to come in and fire at will. He needs to be a much better defensive player to make a roster, I actually think Gary is a better fit at the next level.
 
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RE: Evans/Washington NBA?
Draft Express has a 2018 mock that has Evans getting drafted 32 (as a junior). Neither Kyle or Gary are projected to get drafted as seniors. This is updated 12/5.
 
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(12-21-2016 12:25 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  The SK age concern was not related to how long they'll have him. It's because a younger player has more room for development. SK was pretty much a completed product when he came out. He still should've been drafted because the completed product is a pretty damn good one. Evans age will work in his advantage as he is young for his grade.

I don't see it with Kyle. He'll have the same 5th year senior concerns as SK without SKs talent. I think he's a gunner and the NBA isn't looking for an end of the bench guy to come in and fire at will. He needs to be a much better defensive player to make a roster, I actually think Gary is a better fit at the next level.

1) i don't think the NBA is about player development. it's a superstar league and you fit pieces in where you can. There are so many veterans out there that for a significant group of teams the draft is immaterial. There was a point in time where teams were trading draft picks for cap space. A number of teams draft foreign players to stash them in Europe or other leagues so they don't have to have them on their roster. i'm not saying development doesn't matter, i'm saying it matters less.

2) i disagree about Washington. Stretch 4s are a thing these days. He needs to be more consistent but his long range ability will serve him better. He needs to be a better defender and rebounder. The age thing will hurt him but not as much as it hurt SK just because Washington has decent size for his position.

3) i don't see Gary playing in the L. He'll earn his keep overseas.
 
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If we make deep run this year I could see Washington going pro. Its either now or NEVER when you going on 25. His age go hurt him like it did with sk. Scouts look at him like he's doing nothing special playing good against guys 3-4yrs younger than you. He would need to start DOMINATING and hit over 40% from 3 in march to have punchers chance
 
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(12-21-2016 04:45 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Its either now or NEVER when you going on 25. His age go hurt him like it did with sk. Scouts look at him like he's doing nothing special playing good against guys 3-4yrs younger than you.

100% agree. If you have an opportunity and you're already an upper class man who redshirted you need to go. I just don't think he's that caliber of an all around player.
 
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Evans whenever he decides to leave would be GUARANTEED 1st rd pick. 6'6 can shoot, pass, handle, play defense, rebounds, and #1 what scouts like he can jump out gym. He could potentially be our 1st lottery pick since Demarr johnson
 
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(12-21-2016 04:48 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 04:45 PM)bulldog23 Wrote:  Its either now or NEVER when you going on 25. His age go hurt him like it did with sk. Scouts look at him like he's doing nothing special playing good against guys 3-4yrs younger than you.

100% agree. If you have an opportunity and you're already an upper class man who redshirted you need to go. I just don't think he's that caliber of an all around player.

He has the tools. Just need win big enough in march and hit over 40% from deep. Nba teams don't give a damn about floor spacers being able to rebound. With cronin has his coach he gets benefit of doubt that he's a plus rebounder and defender
 
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SK couldn't dribble or pass to save his life as a JR. The work his put in to play at level he plays is something I've NEVER seen in sports. He without a doubt is going win Most Improved Player
 
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Evans guaranteed first round pick? Not by a longshot. He needs to consistently show he can step up against the better teams at div. 1 whether it's at home or on the road. Not nearly aggressive enough right now that he would warrant a 1st round pick. Way to many foreign guys. Washington has some nice skills, but his conditioning right now looks a little behind unless he is playing hurt which may also be the case. He'll get a shot, but both of these guys have to demonstrate they can bring it every night in college before they will get a serious look nba wise. Neither has off the chart skills where they will look past that.
 
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(12-21-2016 07:49 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Players are allowed to test it now and go to some of the draft camps. If they don't get good feedback, they can come back. One of the XU players did that in the past couple of years and came back. If Evans and Washington continue to tear it up, they might try that route also.

Neither Evans nor Washington is tearing it up. Have you ever watched an NBA game? Only about 50 new players a year will make an NBA roster, and at least half of them are from Europe, South America or elsewhere. Neither Evans nor Washington is among the top 25 college players in America. Any NBA scout would tell them they need improvement in several facets of the game.
 
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(12-21-2016 06:30 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 07:49 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Players are allowed to test it now and go to some of the draft camps. If they don't get good feedback, they can come back. One of the XU players did that in the past couple of years and came back. If Evans and Washington continue to tear it up, they might try that route also.

Neither Evans nor Washington is tearing it up. Have you ever watched an NBA game? Only about 50 new players a year will make an NBA roster, and at least half of them are from Europe, South America or elsewhere. Neither Evans nor Washington is among the top 25 college players in America. Any NBA scout would tell them they need improvement in several facets of the game.

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(12-21-2016 06:30 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 07:49 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  Players are allowed to test it now and go to some of the draft camps. If they don't get good feedback, they can come back. One of the XU players did that in the past couple of years and came back. If Evans and Washington continue to tear it up, they might try that route also.

Neither Evans nor Washington is tearing it up. Have you ever watched an NBA game? Only about 50 new players a year will make an NBA roster, and at least half of them are from Europe, South America or elsewhere. Neither Evans nor Washington is among the top 25 college players in America. Any NBA scout would tell them they need improvement in several facets of the game.

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Might not be true anymore because you have to be a paying member to view it, but kenpom's numbers had Washington as the 7th best player in college basketball a couple weeks ago. The other names around him were names you'd expect. Washington's been insanely efficient, his biggest weakness is getting in foul trouble which keeps him off the floor.
 
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Not comparing style of play, but Danny Fortson seemed to get his points and rebounds almost equally well against high quality competition. Seems to me both Evans and Washington need some big performances when the spotlight is shining brightly: X or UCONN would be great games for that to happen for them personally and for the good of the team. Short of that, they are both high potential and fun to watch but will be wearing the red and black for another year.
 
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Why don't we revisit this after we win the National Championships this season.
 
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According to KenPom's offensive efficiency rankings, Jacob Evans is 57th overall in the individual player rankings, and he's the only Bearcat in the top 100

When you just consider players that have a 20% Possession %*, Evans is 13th in offensive efficiency.

Mark's point holds true, though. Washington started off unbelievable. The Butler and Rhode Island games killed his mojo tho (in advanced stats).


Percentage of possessions used (%Poss): A measure of personal possessions used while the player is on the court. Simply assigns credit or blame to a player when his actions end a possession, either by making a shot, missing a shot that isn’t rebounded by the offense, or committing a turnover.
 
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(12-22-2016 01:00 PM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  According to KenPom's offensive efficiency rankings, Jacob Evans is 57th overall in the individual player rankings, and he's the only Bearcat in the top 100

When you just consider players that have a 20% Possession %*, Evans is 13th in offensive efficiency.

Mark's point holds true, though. Washington started off unbelievable. The Butler and Rhode Island games killed his mojo tho (in advanced stats).


Percentage of possessions used (%Poss): A measure of personal possessions used while the player is on the court. Simply assigns credit or blame to a player when his actions end a possession, either by making a shot, missing a shot that isn’t rebounded by the offense, or committing a turnover.

The only reason I noticed that about Washington was this post from early December (after the Rhode Island / ISU games, but before Butler). http://kenpom.com/blog/the-kpoy-is-not-playing-ball/

Where are you viewing kenpom's offensive efficiency stats? Are you a subscriber?
 
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Correct; here's a screenshot of each guy from toda


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(12-22-2016 01:21 PM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  Correct; here's a screenshot of each guy from toda

Thanks for posting.
 
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(12-22-2016 11:47 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  Why don't we revisit this after we win the National Championships this season.

Do that and all five starters have my blessing to go immediately to the league!
 
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