Pick your preference:

Looks like the PAC 12 will have to take over the "others"

You didn't make this an easy choice JR lol.

I'd like to keep both South Carolina and Missouri to be honest. They have both shown they can compete at high top 10 levels recently and I see no reason why they cant get back to that point in the near future.


Texas would bring excellent ratings, solid sports all around and so on but can we trust them?

I love the option of Oklahoma and Virginia Tech. It'll make the East stronger at the top instantly, the West will be an even tougher gauntlet the champ will truly be #1 most seasons.

Both will make the basketball side better.

Win/Win for me.

Is there an option to where the ACC gets ND & Auburn?

(12-18-2016 04:09 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  You didn't make this an easy choice JR lol.

I'd like to keep both South Carolina and Missouri to be honest. They have both shown they can compete at high top 10 levels recently and I see no reason why they cant get back to that point in the near future.


Texas would bring excellent ratings, solid sports all around and so on but can we trust them?

I love the option of Oklahoma and Virginia Tech. It'll make the East stronger at the top instantly, the West will be an even tougher gauntlet the champ will truly be #1 most seasons.

Both will make the basketball side better.

Win/Win for me.

I wanted to list a few options that others have suggested. But most of all I wanted folks to see that the more you add, the more complicated it could become. I kind of like the simplicity of 15, could easily live with 16, but don't see 18 as an option for all 4 conferences. If we or the Big 10 went to 18 I don't necessarily see the PAC or ACC doing the same.

I voted for Kansas to the SEC to help our basketball profile (not to mention academic profile), but I realize I am probably 1 out of 14 among our schools that are looking basketball-first. Both options that delivered Kansas to the SEC also delivered Oklahoma, who would help basketball as well, though I realize football is obviously what would bring them here. Of those two, I picked the first option on the list, as I just liked that setup better. Guess I wouldn't mind throwing our neighbors WVU a bone and seeing them land in the ACC rather than into the netherworld as the other option appears to be.

(12-19-2016 06:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-18-2016 04:09 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  You didn't make this an easy choice JR lol.

I'd like to keep both South Carolina and Missouri to be honest. They have both shown they can compete at high top 10 levels recently and I see no reason why they cant get back to that point in the near future.


Texas would bring excellent ratings, solid sports all around and so on but can we trust them?

I love the option of Oklahoma and Virginia Tech. It'll make the East stronger at the top instantly, the West will be an even tougher gauntlet the champ will truly be #1 most seasons.

Both will make the basketball side better.

Win/Win for me.

I wanted to list a few options that others have suggested. But most of all I wanted folks to see that the more you add, the more complicated it could become. I kind of like the simplicity of 15, could easily live with 16, but don't see 18 as an option for all 4 conferences. If we or the Big 10 went to 18 I don't necessarily see the PAC or ACC doing the same.

If the PAC goes to 18 and the other three hold at 15 (even if Notre Dame stays semi-independent, which I believe they will) it still gives enough votes in the Big 12 to dissolve.

(12-19-2016 06:37 PM)Blue Dynasty Wrote:  I voted for Kansas to the SEC to help our basketball profile (not to mention academic profile), but I realize I am probably 1 out of 14 among our schools that are looking basketball-first. Both options that delivered Kansas to the SEC also delivered Oklahoma, who would help basketball as well, though I realize football is obviously what would bring them here. Of those two, I picked the first option on the list, as I just liked that setup better. Guess I wouldn't mind throwing our neighbors WVU a bone and seeing them land in the ACC rather than into the netherworld as the other option appears to be.

Maybe with the decline in FBS attendance and all the fury over concussions, etc. the SEC needs to be thinking about the future. Basketball is a very big alternative.

(12-19-2016 09:49 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 06:37 PM)Blue Dynasty Wrote:  I voted for Kansas to the SEC to help our basketball profile (not to mention academic profile), but I realize I am probably 1 out of 14 among our schools that are looking basketball-first. Both options that delivered Kansas to the SEC also delivered Oklahoma, who would help basketball as well, though I realize football is obviously what would bring them here. Of those two, I picked the first option on the list, as I just liked that setup better. Guess I wouldn't mind throwing our neighbors WVU a bone and seeing them land in the ACC rather than into the netherworld as the other option appears to be.

Maybe with the decline in FBS attendance and all the fury over concussions, etc. the SEC needs to be thinking about the future. Basketball is a very big alternative.

Basketball and Soccer both have a high number of concussions. Just not as many as football. The safest sport by far is Baseball. There's a lot of upside in college baseball. Nothings' numbers have plummeted with the Millennials like that of basketball. The NBA has little to no appeal to them and college hoops are sagging with them as well. Even gymnastics has its share of the concussed.

I don't know where we are headed with all of this, but basketball is not going to be the solution.

And by the way Medic, if Missouri's attendance hadn't nosedived by 20% this past year the SEC would have set another record. As a conference we were down by about 3/4's of 1%. Missouri alone cost us between 1.5% to 1.75% of a decline.

If I could pick anyone for the SEC to take to get to 16 it would be Florida State and Oklahoma. But that's just fantasy.

If we must take two from the Big 12, as long as OU is one of them, the second could be Kansas, Texas, T.C.U., Oklahoma State, Iowa State or West Virginia and I wouldn't gripe too much.

If I put on a Big 10 hat, a PAC hat, and an SEC hat and tried to work this all out I would come up with something like the following as a compromise:

SEC takes Oklahoma and Oklahoma State

Big 10 takes Kansas and Iowa State

The PAC takes Texas and Texas Tech, T.C.U., Kansas State,

The ACC takes West Virginia and gets N.D. all in.

Everyone gets something and settles on #2. The PAC gets all of Texas and connects the states Colorado and Kansas again.

Now that won't happen either. The SEC will find little value in OSU. The Big 10 will find little value in ISU. The PAC will find little value in two additional Texas schools or Kansas State. And while the ACC would find value in West Virginia they may not want it.

That's why I think while some day one of the conference may go to 16, the 15 school scenario will be the likeliest in about 7 years provided all 4 conferences are involved. Otherwise the SEC or Big 10 could go to 18 with Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Iowa State (Big 10) or Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and West Virginia or Oklahoma State or Texas Tech (SEC).

If we move to conferences of 16 there will be three. The Big 10 might get Kansas and Texas, the SEC Oklahoma and either a second Texas school or OSU, and the ACC WVU & N.D. If that happens don't look for the PAC to take anyone unless it's Texas Tech and a second Texas school and then they will move to 14 before they ever consider moving to 16, IMO.

But, if the move is to 15 it is easy. Kansas to the B1G, OU to the SEC, N.D. to the ACC, Texas and Texas Tech and a buddy to the PAC. There are money schools for everyone without having to dilute the overall value.

Question:
Once there are four conferences, what next ?
Do you get a better TV money or do you see a big jump in fans, tv viewers , a final split from other conferences.
I guess the question I have is what are you dudes over here really after becouse I think maybe what I see y,all keep talking about might really work for your four conferences and would be the best thing for the rest of college football in the long run
Y,all might really be on to something ?

scrap any option with WVU to the ACC. That will never happen.

(12-20-2016 09:33 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  scrap any option with WVU to the ACC. That will never happen.

Why? If there is one show stopper in chat rooms it is the random poster saying that something will never happen. It might not. There were some old issues with a few schools and then there is the academics. But then there is also a decent appeal for the Eers with the TV ratings and the fact that they actually reconnect the ACC footprint (now that Maryland is gone). And ultimately the ACC will do what ESPN wants them to do with regard to WVU. So, there is a lot of room for business to happen. Just a few years ago Louisville would never happen......academics! And, look where we are today.

(12-20-2016 04:36 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Question:
Once there are four conferences, what next ?
Do you get a better TV money or do you see a big jump in fans, tv viewers , a final split from other conferences.
I guess the question I have is what are you dudes over here really after becouse I think maybe what I see y,all keep talking about might really work for your four conferences and would be the best thing for the rest of college football in the long run
Y,all might really be on to something ?

IMO, you get separation from the other G5 which will likely move to a G4 as well, become their own division, have their own playoff system, and get contracts for Tuesday, Friday, and early & late Saturday football slots.

I do think it would be beneficial for both in the long run.

For the newly formed P4 the playoffs could expand with conference semis and the champs would be the 4 in the CFP. I think that would be good for fans to finally rid themselves of committees, arbitrary bowl assignments, and media bias and it would be good for the kids that play because they would either win or lose it on the field and not in the smoke filled room of big names doing the bidding for TV advertising rates for ESPN.

(12-19-2016 09:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 09:49 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-19-2016 06:37 PM)Blue Dynasty Wrote:  I voted for Kansas to the SEC to help our basketball profile (not to mention academic profile), but I realize I am probably 1 out of 14 among our schools that are looking basketball-first. Both options that delivered Kansas to the SEC also delivered Oklahoma, who would help basketball as well, though I realize football is obviously what would bring them here. Of those two, I picked the first option on the list, as I just liked that setup better. Guess I wouldn't mind throwing our neighbors WVU a bone and seeing them land in the ACC rather than into the netherworld as the other option appears to be.

Maybe with the decline in FBS attendance and all the fury over concussions, etc. the SEC needs to be thinking about the future. Basketball is a very big alternative.

Basketball and Soccer both have a high number of concussions. Just not as many as football. The safest sport by far is Baseball. There's a lot of upside in college baseball. Nothings' numbers have plummeted with the Millennials like that of basketball. The NBA has little to no appeal to them and college hoops are sagging with them as well. Even gymnastics has its share of the concussed.

I don't know where we are headed with all of this, but basketball is not going to be the solution.

And by the way Medic, if Missouri's attendance hadn't nosedived by 20% this past year the SEC would have set another record. As a conference we were down by about 3/4's of 1%. Missouri alone cost us between 1.5% to 1.75% of a decline.

That is true. The drop caught me by surprise. Lowest since 2002, and largest single one year drop in school history. The university suffered a lot of turmoil nationally. Missouri folks are pretty hard-core when it comes to player protests and such, and they do tend to return the favor. I would be interested in the numbers involving visiting school fans that traveled to Missouri to determine if the adverse attention caused a drop. I sure hope this improves next year.

(12-20-2016 12:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 04:36 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Question:
Once there are four conferences, what next ?
Do you get a better TV money or do you see a big jump in fans, tv viewers , a final split from other conferences.
I guess the question I have is what are you dudes over here really after becouse I think maybe what I see y,all keep talking about might really work for your four conferences and would be the best thing for the rest of college football in the long run
Y,all might really be on to something ?

IMO, you get separation from the other G5 which will likely move to a G4 as well, become their own division, have their own playoff system, and get contracts for Tuesday, Friday, and early & late Saturday football slots.

I do think it would be beneficial for both in the long run.

For the newly formed P4 the playoffs could expand with conference semis and the champs would be the 4 in the CFP. I think that would be good for fans to finally rid themselves of committees, arbitrary bowl assignments, and media bias and it would be good for the kids that play because they would either win or lose it on the field and not in the smoke filled room of big names doing the bidding for TV advertising rates for ESPN.

In order to completely eliminated the committee, you would have to have designated semis (i.e PAC-Big 10 always in the Rose, ACC/SEC always in the Sugar). That might result in 1 vs. 2 in the semi's. I think that would be an acceptable outcome, but others might not, so I'm not sure the committee ever goes away fully.

There is the scenario we talked about a while back where the networks compromise a little with each other. Slight adaptation though...

SEC takes Texas and Kansas

B1G takes Oklahoma and Iowa State

ACC takes Notre Dame and West Virginia

PAC takes Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, and Oklahoma State

I included both TT and OSU as my thinking is these schools need protection in order for the big brothers to move without political interference.

BTW, this is also the 8 necessary to dissolve now. Only Kansas State and Baylor are left out.

WVU to the ACC could only happen if they did a massive overhaul on academics and with ruthless with curbing bad fan behavior. If that were to happen ... sure. In fact I readily admit they're a ready made rival for a lot of teams in the ACC already. But barring those two fixes, the opposition from the core of the ACC will be impossible to overcome.