Run had to end at some point.

NDSU did not win the national championship in 2010. Lost to E Washington in the quarter-finals, in Cheney, when the ref lied.

Then the five following seasons, 2011-2015, NDSU got three home playoff games per season, won every game, and then won every game in Frisco.

This year was the same, until this loss.



JMU has an incredible QB, and a very good RB. Everyone was propping up the RB, and he is good, but it was by far and wide the ability of their QB to run around and play razzle-dazzle basketball that won them the game. No defense can consistently stop both that and a good RB. You have to hope the QB will be human and miss more throws than not, while on the run. JMU's QB is special.


I'm not sure if I will be rooting for JMU to win the natty.

If Youngstown wins, then I will likely root for YSU. And then Pelini will get a P5 job.
If E Washington wins, there's no way I can root for the dirty eagles. In that case, go JMU!

Go Eastern Washington. Washington is my birth state.

(12-17-2016 10:03 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Back when it was uncertain as to whether or not UMass would leave the MAC or become full members two years ago, there was a lot of talk if they chose the latter that JMU would be added to put the conference at an even number, with BG moving to the MAC West. Never came to fruition, but in the unlikely case that one of our teams is poached in the near future I'm sure they're still on our short list. But we won't add them and someone else at this point if everything stays the same, we've basically made a commitment to stay at 12 teams for the foreseeable future.

It was going to be JMU+UMass as a combo to the MAC.

The MAC commissioner said he would entertain expansion beyond 12 if a school or a group of schools could help the MAC.

1) Marshall because of proximity and attendance.
2) Temple because its in Pennsylvania and contiguous.
3) UConn if they need to a place to park their football.

Something where it helps the MAC solidify its stature among G5 conferences.

Quote:Six MAC teams are in bowl games, led by MAC champion Western Michigan in the Jan. 2 Cotton Bowl as the top-ranked team in the group of five Division I conferences traditionally not in the running for the four-team College Football Playoffs.

That bowl game alone is expected to land the MAC anywhere from $4 million to $6 million dollars. The MAC pools all of its bowl dollars, then redistributes that money equally throughout the league, after covering basic expenses for its bowl teams.

It is a very lucrative payday to say the least, and why the G5 leagues (American, Mountain West, C-USA, Sun Belt and MAC) covet having a team land in this bowl slot. It is the second time for the league, which had Northern Illinois in the 2012 Orange Bowl.

"Our expectation is to be competing for this spot on a regular basis,'' MAC commissioner Jon Steinbrecher said. "We want to be in that game with some regularity."

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/..._bowl.html

If the goal for the MAC is to be in the access bowl every 2, 3, 4 years then it doesn't make sense to expand unless the schools in question could help you.

Temple could help the MAC the most because they would both make the MAC stronger and the AAC weaker with their addition. If the AAC falls apart at some point the MAC would look at adding them.

Army could be viable in a package for the MAC if they feel like they need to be in a conference. The MAC could bump its bowls some with Army in the fold. Then of course the MAC East is too competitive of a football division so Army could have some success there.

ODU is already in the MAC for wrestling and the Virginia Beach location could be nice for a MAC sponsored bowl. I don't see them as a first target but in a package deal maybe.

JMU had a chance to join the MAC with a group with Old Dominion and UMass, back when Temple was a football-only member and the MAC was looking to even out its numbers and make a strong push to expand into a high-population region that completely lacked G5 football.

The invites were made. UMass accepted, but JMU stalled and stalled while milking their fans' excitement for big donations, and ODU didn't want to go without JMU since it would be a pretty big geographical outlier by itself. Eventually, while JMU's leaders were dragging their feet, the big re-alignment happened and C-USA gave an invite to ODU who accepted since they didn't want to wait any longer and had doubts about JMU's commitment to make a move.

I heard the MAC was interested in Richmond and Stony Brook as well. Even VCU's name came up.

(12-17-2016 12:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I heard the MAC was interested in Richmond and Stony Brook as well. Even VCU's name came up.

That's a whole different idea, would the MAC be smart to add some public schools without FB.

VCU
Wichita St.
Milwaukee
Illinois-Chicago

16 in basketball to push the MAC to a multibid conference. Squash the MVC, Horizon and A10 in the process.

Another MAC idea since we are on the topic.

Step1: Wichita State goes to the AAC, damaging the MVC and making it a less attractive place for Missouri State.

Step2: The MAC invites Missouri St, Illinois St, IL-Chicago and Milwaukee as non-FB members. Give the MAC 16 in basketball and more inventory for Olympic sports. Those schools then have a more secure future as a members of a G5 conference.

Try to make the MAC into more of a Chicago based conference for basketball recruiting. Become the A10 of the Midwest.

(12-17-2016 12:16 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 11:10 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 10:23 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  inb4 people start placing JMU in every FBS conference from the Sun Belt to the Pac 12

JMU seems to have already turned down an open spot in the Sunbelt, the MWC and AAC and P5 aren't taking an FCS call-up ...

... so time for a knock down, drag out fight over whether they are going to the MAC (who don't want to expand to 14 if JMU is #13), and CUSA (who certainly don't want to go to 16).

Sun Belt and JMU is over and done. SBC is not inviting again after that charade.

It certainly wasn't a charade. JMU cares about Academics and doesn't want to be grouped with Sun Belt schools that don't care a lick about Academics. I know you'll disagree but it is the truth.

(12-17-2016 12:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I heard the MAC was interested in Richmond and Stony Brook as well. Even VCU's name came up.

The MAC might be interested but I highly doubt those 2 schools want to be there unless they can hop to another conference rather quickly.

(12-17-2016 12:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I heard the MAC was interested in Richmond and Stony Brook as well. Even VCU's name came up.

No clue about Stony Brook, I suppose it's possible, but ABSOLUTELY no way about Richmond or VCU.

Richmond has never shown a lick of interest in moving to FBS and they can't expand their FCS-capacity stadium without angering the neighborhoods around them. They'd be more likely to join the Patriot in all sports or the Patriot in football and the Big East in everything else. VCU is not leaving the A-10 unless it's for a better basketball conference, and the MAC isn't. Hell, they might not leave for the AAC. The Big East is the only option that likely interests them, at least presuming the A-10 doesn't fall apart, in which case the AAC becomes more attractive.

Not sure who your source is but I'm guessing he or she is lying on the ground surrounded by bottles that say XXX on them.

(12-17-2016 12:28 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Run had to end at some point.

NDSU did not win the national championship in 2010. Lost to E Washington in the quarter-finals, in Cheney, when the ref lied.

Then the five following seasons, 2011-2015, NDSU got three home playoff games per season, won every game, and then won every game in Frisco.

This year was the same, until this loss.

This was the first time I'd seen an NDST playoff game, but I can see what the opponents were up against the past five years. First, that small hangar-like dome gets LOUD.

Second, the refs were tilted WAY towards NDST. Called every little tick-tack thing they could on JMU and let NDST get away with lots of holding, late hits, etc.

If the refereeing was that way the past five years, I get it.

Mary Hardin-Baylor won Division III over Wisconsin-Oshkosh. First time since 2004 that Mt. Union or Wisconsin-Whitewater didn't win the title. There was a streak where 9 out of 10 years they met each other for the title. Going back 21 years, one or the other has been in the title game every year but 1999, 2004 and this year. The only other year one didn't win the title was 2003 where Mt. Union lost the title game.

(12-17-2016 02:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  This was the first time I'd seen an NDST playoff game, but I can see what the opponents were up against the past five years.

Yes, it's a very difficult place to play.

It's a large dome, completely different in design than the Idaho/Idaho St style of buildings.

And the refs were very fair, as they have been in every playoff game in Fargo this year and the last five seasons.

(12-17-2016 02:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  First time since 2004 that Mt. Union or Wisconsin-Whitewater didn't win the title.

And yet a UW-system school was in the NC game.

UW-system schools should be kicked out of DIII.

Mary Hardin-Baylor was nothing but an all female school at one time.

(12-17-2016 06:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the Dakota schools could get a waiver from the NCAA? I bet the Big 10 and Big 12 will sponsor them for FBS status. Same could be said for James Madison, Jacksonville State and Eastern Washington.

What do you smoke on a daily basis to come up with this delusional crap?

(12-17-2016 04:05 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(12-17-2016 06:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the Dakota schools could get a waiver from the NCAA? I bet the Big 10 and Big 12 will sponsor them for FBS status. Same could be said for James Madison, Jacksonville State and Eastern Washington.

What do you smoke on a daily basis to come up with this delusional crap?

Are you afraid that your team will lose to those schools?

Since expanding the MAC with eastern seaboard schools seems to be fair game on this board what about this thought:

The MAC adds UMass, UConn, Temple, and Dayton.

The newbies bring enough basketball prowess to make it a two bid league. Dayton could either be a non-football add offset by adding Army as a football only or the Flyers could be pushed to invest in FBS football.

If including Dayton in the mix is a hang up perhaps there's another program out there that could be a steady BB program but also have the finances to play FBS.

(12-17-2016 02:05 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-17-2016 12:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I heard the MAC was interested in Richmond and Stony Brook as well. Even VCU's name came up.

No clue about Stony Brook, I suppose it's possible, but ABSOLUTELY no way about Richmond or VCU.

Richmond has never shown a lick of interest in moving to FBS and they can't expand their FCS-capacity stadium without angering the neighborhoods around them. They'd be more likely to join the Patriot in all sports or the Patriot in football and the Big East in everything else. VCU is not leaving the A-10 unless it's for a better basketball conference, and the MAC isn't. Hell, they might not leave for the AAC. The Big East is the only option that likely interests them, at least presuming the A-10 doesn't fall apart, in which case the AAC becomes more attractive.

Not sure who your source is but I'm guessing he or she is lying on the ground surrounded by bottles that say XXX on them.

It was around the time that VCU was thinking about buying the city's stadium for football and all that. At the time, they were thinking of adding football. The MAC at the time wanted to expand with some football and some good basketball schools to try and get a multi-bid league. VCU could have helped in that idea. It might have gotten Temple and UMass. all in as well.

(12-17-2016 06:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the Dakota schools could get a waiver from the NCAA? I bet the Big 10 and Big 12 will sponsor them for FBS status. Same could be said for James Madison, Jacksonville State and Eastern Washington.

Oh good Lord!