THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

Even if we lose something in the very short term, we need to okay the subs more. It will pay dividends later in the game.

Giving up a little against Monmouth earlier would have quite possibly given more energy later. Missed free throws and execution are often fatigue. So, sub a little more even if it costs a few point early.

Think message.

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

At large chances pretty much gone now with only 2 OOC games left vs decent teams.

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

Good stuff--thanks.

(12-15-2016 09:29 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

At large chances pretty much gone now with only 2 OOC games left vs decent teams.

Unlikely yes...impossible not even close

(12-15-2016 09:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:29 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

At large chances pretty much gone now with only 2 OOC games left vs decent teams.

Unlikely yes...impossible not even close

Say we split OK/USC and win rest of high RPI OOC games. Our OOC SOS will still be 200 plus maybe 250 plus. Can't tell you how many 20-22 win P5 teams got rejected by committee for that very thing-and Chairman would state that on Selection Sunday shows which I formerly watched with much anticipation.

What are the stats concerning attendance?

(12-16-2016 01:29 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  What are the stats concerning attendance?

Good question.
According to Wikipedia page the average attendance is ~8,850 through the first six games but I doubt that is accurate. It says highest attendance so far was the CBU exhibition game, 9,676 people.
I was at the Sav State game and it felt like less than <5k to me.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_...tball_team

Empty seats already look poorly on the inter web games on ESPN3.
Is that due to the poor schedule?
Does the no chance at NCAA at large berth issue keep the fans away during conference season?
Are we already seeing signs of fan apathy now based on lack of interest?
Can this team get a single Top 50 win all season? (Iowa is 87 in Sagarin, UAB is now 5-5 and 115, SC is #24)

Just from an observation , they need to refocus and relax and just play. They seem tight in moments.

(12-15-2016 09:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:29 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

At large chances pretty much gone now with only 2 OOC games left vs decent teams.

Unlikely yes...impossible not even close

Sure. The Tigers win out and get to the AAC final. Yeah, at-large is there.

Otherwise, beating teams worse and losing to better teams (maybe stealing two) isn't close to enough.

RPI forecast has Memphis going 18-13 with and RPI of 130.

Not even close to NIT worthy.

(12-16-2016 09:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:29 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

At large chances pretty much gone now with only 2 OOC games left vs decent teams.

Unlikely yes...impossible not even close

Sure. The Tigers win out and get to the AAC final. Yeah, at-large is there.

Otherwise, beating teams worse and losing to better teams (maybe stealing two) isn't close to enough.

Lose 3 or less games in league and don't go out in the first round of the AAC tourney and we are a strong bubble team even if we split USCe and Oklahoma. That would leave us at 26-8 with around 100 SOS which would put us around a 40 RPI. If we win out our RPI would be in the 20's easily, that would be similar to Bartons 2nd year here and we would likely get a 4/5 seed.

(12-16-2016 09:50 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:29 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

At large chances pretty much gone now with only 2 OOC games left vs decent teams.

Unlikely yes...impossible not even close

Sure. The Tigers win out and get to the AAC final. Yeah, at-large is there.

Otherwise, beating teams worse and losing to better teams (maybe stealing two) isn't close to enough.

Lose 3 or less games in league and don't go out in the first round of the AAC tourney and we are a strong bubble team even if we split USCe and Oklahoma. That would leave us at 26-8 with around 100 SOS which would put us around a 40 RPI. If we win out our RPI would be in the 20's easily.

Ok?

But like that is even a remote possibility.

(12-16-2016 09:56 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:50 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:29 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  At large chances pretty much gone now with only 2 OOC games left vs decent teams.

Unlikely yes...impossible not even close

Sure. The Tigers win out and get to the AAC final. Yeah, at-large is there.

Otherwise, beating teams worse and losing to better teams (maybe stealing two) isn't close to enough.

Lose 3 or less games in league and don't go out in the first round of the AAC tourney and we are a strong bubble team even if we split USCe and Oklahoma. That would leave us at 26-8 with around 100 SOS which would put us around a 40 RPI. If we win out our RPI would be in the 20's easily.

Ok?

But like that is even a remote possibility.

Nope not even a .1% chance we win out and it would take great improvement to win the league.

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

Analysis is spot on. Great job. As an irrelevant ?? who is KL in best individual season stats unless you meant Larry Kenon who had maybe the best season ever as a Tiger 20+pts and 16.7 rpg in 1973. Can you imagine him with this team playing along side Dedric? Really need some help next year but DL will likely be gone with a break out season like he's having. Again, kudos on the excellent post.

(12-16-2016 09:50 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:29 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

At large chances pretty much gone now with only 2 OOC games left vs decent teams.

Unlikely yes...impossible not even close

Sure. The Tigers win out and get to the AAC final. Yeah, at-large is there.

Otherwise, beating teams worse and losing to better teams (maybe stealing two) isn't close to enough.

Lose 3 or less games in league and don't go out in the first round of the AAC tourney and we are a strong bubble team even if we split USCe and Oklahoma. That would leave us at 26-8 with around 100 SOS which would put us around a 40 RPI. If we win out our RPI would be in the 20's easily, that would be similar to Bartons 2nd year here and we would likely get a 4/5 seed.

Don't want to spoil your daydream but this team ain't winning out or losing just 3 games in AAC. Too many deficiencies.

(12-16-2016 12:38 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

Analysis is spot on. Great job. As an irrelevant ?? who is KL in best individual season stats unless you meant Larry Kenon who had maybe the best season ever as a Tiger 20+pts and 16.7 rpg in 1973. Can you imagine him with this team playing along side Dedric? Really need some help next year but DL will likely be gone with a break out season like he's having. Again, kudos on the excellent post.

A wild guess...

(12-16-2016 12:38 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

Analysis is spot on. Great job. As an irrelevant ?? who is KL in best individual season stats unless you meant Larry Kenon who had maybe the best season ever as a Tiger 20+pts and 16.7 rpg in 1973. Can you imagine him with this team playing along side Dedric? Really need some help next year but DL will likely be gone with a break out season like he's having. Again, kudos on the excellent post.

Some kid that played in the early 80's.... He signed with Memphis cause he liked the shoes we wore or something like that.

(12-16-2016 12:38 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  THE GOOD
Assists per game - Team ranked #4th at 20.1 assists per game.
Blocked shots per game - Team ranked #19th at 6 blocks per game.
Rebounds/g - Team ranked #24th at 41.2 rebounds per game (34th OReb/g at 13.6)
Turnovers/g - Team ranked #25th at 11.1 turnovers per game
2 PT FG% - Team ranked 29th at 55.5% or 242/436
Rebound Margin - Team ranked #36th at 6.7 rebound margin per game. (Tied w Kensucky)

THE NOT SO BAD
FG% - Team ranked #66th at 47.4% field goal percentage.
Opp 3PT FG% - Team ranked 74th at 31.3% three point field goal percentage allowed by our defense
FG% Def - Team ranked #83rd at 44.7% field goal percentage defense
Our effective FG% team rank is 106th at 52.2%

THE UGLY
3PT FGM/g - Team Rank #275 at 6.2 FGM per game
3PT FG% - Team Rank #314th (out of 347) at 30.1% Three Point FG percentage.
That puts us in the bottom 10% of teams in the country w 62/206 3FGM/3FGA
% Points from 3 Pointers - 22.7% #318 team rank
FT% - Team Rank #324 at 61.7% Free Throw percentage (Worse than 90% of American Jr. High School teams)

ANALYSIS
Statistics are only valuable if they come with analysis and perspective.
The Tigers are 7-3 after coming through a terribly weak schedule (ranked 316th by Sagarin). We probably lost the games we should have lost against better competition.

Oklahoma is 6-3 and ranked 40th by Sagarin and feels like another loss especially because it's on the road (on CBS no less). In Sagarin We are ranked 93rd just behind Ole Miss (92), Monmouth (82), and Providence (51).

The Tigers are unselfish, pass very well, rebound & block well and surprisingly hold onto the basketball with relatively few turnovers (remember against AD ashamedly weak competition). Our guards push tempo and run well, and we may have one of the best players in the country (All American 2nd Team? Where's the marketing dept?)

Individually we are led by Dedric Lawson who at 20.4 pts/g (43rd), 11.1 Rebs/g (12th), 2.7 blocks/g (21st) who is having one of the best individual seasons as a Tiger since (insert name here - CD-R, LW, KL, PH, ??)
Most fans would be happy prior to the season to know that KJ (14 pts/8 rebs pg) and Markel (13 pts/5 Rebs pg) have stepped up as role players and Jeremiah Martin is averaging ~5.7 assists per game (38th) which is 3 assists per turnover per game for 40th in the country.

Tubby knows that our starters are getting tired and has mentioned as much during interviews and press conferences. But don't look where the help will come from as we might have the lowest scoring bench in the country. While Craig Randall showed confidence early with streaky three point shooting his dramatic falloff (15% 3PT FG) in the last four games has resulted in less minutes per game while the core four are averaging >35 min pg.

Any foul trouble with the Lawsons in conference play will spell a loss, period. This will hurt defensive effectiveness as well. While it may not seem like it, defensively the Tigers have played about average, but true fans know that an average defense against VERY weak competition will also look really bad against tougher non conference and conference opponents especially on the road.

The Achilles heal is our bench scoring and three point shooting. The Tigers may have the shortest bench since Root had to start at point guard (a standup walk-on and good HS coach now). In the last four games our guards/wings have shot 25% from three point land (14-57) which would be last in the country against mediocre competition. Martin (1-7 3PT), Randall (2-13 3PT), Kesee (2-7 3PT), Crawford (3-9 3PT), KJ (3-9 3PT), DL (3-12 3PT). Dedric is listed as a guard by ESPN even though he is 6-9. WTF? Poor Freshman Kleon Clergot has not played in 4 out of the last 5 games because his 3PT FG% is 9% (1-11 3PT) overall and he hasn't made the cut.
They rush shots, don't get the offense started fast enough against a zone, don't penetrate and kick well enough. It's a recipe for disaster once conference play starts.

The football team started 5-1 against weak early competition but really over achieved this season especially in the Temple & Houston wins (plus looking awesome against SMU who beat Houston).

This basketball team has a chance to over achieve but only if they win two quality non conference match ups against Oklahoma and South Carolina. Without those wins and there will be no resume to discuss come March. Then as fans we can only pray that this team gels and shoots better and we sweep through the conference tournament otherwise it'll be popcorn time for three years in a row. But most of y'all already knew that when the team photo of only ten scholarship players was released at the beginning of the season.
Any thoughts?

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s/_/id/235
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket...gers/stats

Analysis is spot on. Great job. As an irrelevant ?? who is KL in best individual season stats unless you meant Larry Kenon who had maybe the best season ever as a Tiger 20+pts and 16.7 rpg in 1973. Can you imagine him with this team playing along side Dedric? Really need some help next year but DL will likely be gone with a break out season like he's having. Again, kudos on the excellent post.

Thanks.

I was referring to Keith Lee but didn't think we'd have to go back that far, do we?
Chris Massie had 17 pts/11 reb his Sr. year, and Kelly Wise had 15/10.
CD-R avg'd 18 pts/g but not the Rebs to compare with D. Lawson, Dejuan Wagner averaged 21 pts/g. Omar Sneed avg 21/9 his jr year. Lorenzen Wright avg'd 17/10 his soph year. David Vaughn avg'd 17/12. Penny H 23/9/7, Keith Lee 20/10.
So yeah, maybe we have to go back to Larry Kenon to find historical matching individual numbers. I put [insert name] here bc I wasn't sure who had had as good a year statistically and I figured it could be a good discussion.
Let's hope D. Lawson keeps getting his points/rebounds up, because how he goes, there go the Tigers.

By the way, I think most of us agree that Robert Dozier was a stud and on some all-time great teams. He averaged 13 pts & 7.5 Rebs per game his senior year. Currently KJ is beating those numbers through the 10 game mark. My point here is he deserves some credit for starting the season really well. Of course my caveat like all points above is level of competition early, but he deserves some early praise how he has come back from injury. Now let's hope they both can maintain!

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/memphis/

(12-16-2016 12:38 PM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:47 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  

who is KL in best individual season stats

Come on, man!