It would be far from ideal, but Wichita State could be insurance if Navy goes back to being independent in football again.

It would behoove Missouri State to stay behind a few years in the MVC to collect the balance of Wichita State's exit fees.

The alternative would be to organize a mass defection to trigger the tournament credit distribution to the individual schools, but that really only works if they follow Wichita State to the same conference. Six schools in the MVC should have pulled that with the WAC, even if meant Creighton was one of the six for a couple of years.

WAC 2012-13 (basketball):

Pacific - Seattle, Idaho, San Jose State, Utah State
West - Denver, New Mexico State, Creighton, Wichita State
Central - Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Southern Illinois
South - Texas-Arlington, UTSA, Texas State, Louisiana Tech

The following season 5 FBS schools and Creighton leave. Denver and UTA likely stay put since there is no need to invite Grand Canyon or Chicago State, but the WAC likely works on two more football schools for FBS.


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(12-15-2016 09:27 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  It would be far from ideal, but Wichita State could be insurance if Navy goes back to being independent in football again.

It would behoove Missouri State to stay behind a few years in the MVC to collect the balance of Wichita State's exit fees.

The alternative would be to organize a mass defection to trigger the tournament credit distribution to the individual schools, but that really only works if they follow Wichita State to the same conference. Six schools in the MVC should have pulled that with the WAC, even if meant Creighton was one of the six for a couple of years.

WAC 2012-13 (basketball):

Pacific - Seattle, Idaho, San Jose State, Utah State
West - Denver, New Mexico State, Creighton, Wichita State
Central - Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Southern Illinois
South - Texas-Arlington, UTSA, Texas State, Louisiana Tech

The following season 5 FBS schools and Creighton leave. Denver and UTA likely stay put since there is no need to invite Grand Canyon or Chicago State, but the WAC likely works on two more football schools for FBS.


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The MVC doesn't have exit fees, but the MVFC does for at least the Dakotas. By 2018-19, the big dance money from Wichita State Final Four run is almost over.

(12-15-2016 08:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 05:53 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Wichita State would be a home run add (as would VCU - but that's another topic).

No, no, no on VCU.

Wichita State is being considered because it helps balance the AAC West/East divisions for all sports with the additional benefit of bringing quality basketball and baseball.

VCU isn't leaving GWU, GMU and Richmond in the A10 for the AAC nor would the AAC be interested in adding another eastern member because it screws up the divisions. There is no motivation on either party to consider it.

Yup. Not so sure VCU would come. It would probably require adding multiple A10 teams which is a non-starter.

(12-15-2016 09:03 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Wichita's football ambition is just to get into a better conference. If they get into AAC without football, I don't think they will add unless the AAC makes them.

Not completely true. Football has been considered for overall student experience and student recruitment/retainment.

(12-15-2016 09:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:03 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Wichita's football ambition is just to get into a better conference. If they get into AAC without football, I don't think they will add unless the AAC makes them.

Football gets them on the radar in Texahoma much more than basketball does. Getting into student recruiting areas like the metroplex and Houston is a big motivation for the conference change. Football would magnify the impact.

The Koch Brothers want and need a more technical and bigger WSU for its corporate well being. Wichita St has financing already lined up for fb.

Wichita St'S President has said that he be willing to be a member of an FCS conference now, but wants FBS in the future. The MVFC won't give Wichita a slot if they are moving out. The WAC needs to be FCS first and FBS later, perfect for a Wichita St budding fb program. UTRGV is also on the same time line. Who else would give those two programs FBS slots?

Bardo has stated he wants to increase enrollment to around 22k. We're currently around 15k. We are in the process of merging with another school in Wichita that will add about 3k to that number. Football would most likely help us recruit students from OK and TX as you mention. That's also where joining the AAC would come in handy with schools in both states.

On top of that, we are offering in-state tuition to students from the Tulsa, OKC and DFW metro areas. Also KCMO but that has nothing to do with this. We also have discounted tuition to certain students in those states that meet certain academic standards.

I think the MVC exit fee is buying each school president a personal pan pizza.

(12-15-2016 05:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 04:58 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  and provides Missouri State with closer rivals than the MVC or MVFC.

I guess that would be Ark St?

MO St is ... kinda far from everywhere. Other than Arkansas (Fayetteville) and Mizzou.

Ark State, Little Rock (which competes in all sports but football), UTA and ULM are all within 500 miles.

And Ark State, and UALR are closer than any non-WSU MVC team. UTA and ULM are comparable to the distance of UNI, Evansville, Bradley, SIU, and ISU.

(12-15-2016 09:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 08:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 05:53 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Wichita State would be a home run add (as would VCU - but that's another topic).

No, no, no on VCU.

Wichita State is being considered because it helps balance the AAC West/East divisions for all sports with the additional benefit of bringing quality basketball and baseball.

VCU isn't leaving GWU, GMU and Richmond in the A10 for the AAC nor would the AAC be interested in adding another eastern member because it screws up the divisions. There is no motivation on either party to consider it.

Yup. Not so sure VCU would come. It would probably require adding multiple A10 teams which is a non-starter.

Thank You.

I mean if sometime down the road there is major realignment and the AAC becomes the seaboard conference with ODU, Charlotte and UMass than maybe just maybe it makes sense.

(12-15-2016 09:27 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  It would be far from ideal, but Wichita State could be insurance if Navy goes back to being independent in football again.

It would behoove Missouri State to stay behind a few years in the MVC to collect the balance of Wichita State's exit fees.

The alternative would be to organize a mass defection to trigger the tournament credit distribution to the individual schools, but that really only works if they follow Wichita State to the same conference. Six schools in the MVC should have pulled that with the WAC, even if meant Creighton was one of the six for a couple of years.

WAC 2012-13 (basketball):

Pacific - Seattle, Idaho, San Jose State, Utah State
West - Denver, New Mexico State, Creighton, Wichita State
Central - Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, Southern Illinois
South - Texas-Arlington, UTSA, Texas State, Louisiana Tech

The following season 5 FBS schools and Creighton leave. Denver and UTA likely stay put since there is no need to invite Grand Canyon or Chicago State, but the WAC likely works on two more football schools for FBS.


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(12-15-2016 09:00 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:53 PM)brista21 Wrote:  That being said, this sounds like literally a men's basketball-only membership. I honestly can't imagine that's right that it's just an all sports mutually sponsored but football membership that's being discussed.

That's exactly what I was thinking when I read the article. No way they are just a basketball-only member, the MVC would not allow it.

Further, the NCAA would not allow it ... it may be FB that drives the realignment bus, but the non-revenue sports still have political levers to pull inside the NCAA itself, which is part of why you cannot play Division I BBall as an affiliate member of a Division I conference. The minimum sports requirements to be Division I is part of what keeps the non-revenue sports alive.

If they want a top-tier TV deal, they should make this move. If Navy ever left for whatever reason, Air Force, Army & BYU would be there to take the football-only spot.

(12-15-2016 10:15 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I think the MVC exit fee is buying each school president a personal pan pizza.

(12-15-2016 07:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 06:24 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I would be okay with this provided that the AAC has the ability to require the Shockers to field FBS football and if Wichita St can't comply they can be voted out of the conference.

Why? We have absolutely no desire to add a newbie Wichita St football program to the AAC. That's the exact kind of move that has caused a lot of damage to CUSA. WSU's value lies in basketball. Im just fine if they never add football.

Charlotte was a disaster. North Texas, FAU and FIU are disasters for a long time. The two newbies that are UTSA and Old Dominion have been very competitive in football which they are not disasters to C-USA. Tulane, SMU and UConn are like the North Texas/FAU/FIU in recent years.

(12-16-2016 01:09 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 06:24 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I would be okay with this provided that the AAC has the ability to require the Shockers to field FBS football and if Wichita St can't comply they can be voted out of the conference.

Why? We have absolutely no desire to add a newbie Wichita St football program to the AAC. That's the exact kind of move that has caused a lot of damage to CUSA. WSU's value lies in basketball. Im just fine if they never add football.

Charlotte was a disaster. North Texas, FAU and FIU are disasters for a long time. The two newbies that are UTSA and Old Dominion have been very competitive in football which they are not disasters to C-USA. Tulane, SMU and UConn are like the North Texas/FAU/FIU in recent years.

Charlotte defeated Marshall and Southern Miss this year.

I think that's pretty good for a school that's had football for 4 years.

A-10 > MVC

That's why VCU is a non starter.

Also consider that the American may be using the threat of a Wichita add as bait to get BYU into a deal similar to what the ACC did for Notre Dame.

I don't think vcu should be a non starter but it would require the aac to jump to 14. Byu would work great as a football only. The geography is pretty big for them to join as a full member but if the aac jumped to 14 it might work.

E: uconn, temple, cincy, ecu, vcu, USf, Ucf
W: Tulsa, smu, Houston, tulane, Memphis, byu, w state

Army or afa would be needed for football only or bring in rice and drop the shockers

Well, if VCU is a non-starter due to location, again, please take SLU.

The only value that program has to the A10 is the potential for the conference to look further west...like, for a Wichita State if it was ever interested.

(12-16-2016 11:50 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Well, if VCU is a non-starter due to location, again, please take SLU.

The only value that program has to the A10 is the potential for the conference to look further west...like, for a Wichita State if it was ever interested.

Actually the A-10 already has reportedly decided that they're not interested in WSU or any more teams west of Ohio. If we aren't interested in WSU, then basically SLU has been left to fend for itself.

SLU and WSU to the AAC in basketball only. That would work. The A-10 could hang at 13 (and deal with the odd scheduling issue) or add another team. My suggestion. Stay at 13. Have one team play a 'non-conference' game against another playing a 'conference' game. Its doable.

I would be shocked if it happens. In prior interviews, Aresco seems cautious, at best. And if Marshall leaves, that hurts the attraction, and not sure it's a great geographic fit, either.

(12-16-2016 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 11:50 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Well, if VCU is a non-starter due to location, again, please take SLU.

The only value that program has to the A10 is the potential for the conference to look further west...like, for a Wichita State if it was ever interested.

Actually the A-10 already has reportedly decided that they're not interested in WSU or any more teams west of Ohio. If we aren't interested in WSU, then basically SLU has been left to fend for itself.

SLU and WSU to the AAC in basketball only. That would work. The A-10 could hang at 13 (and deal with the odd scheduling issue) or add another team. My suggestion. Stay at 13. Have one team play a 'non-conference' game against another playing a 'conference' game. Its doable.

Sorry, you guys are stuck with SLU. The good news is the A10 gets to keep VCU as well. There is no mutual interest between SLU, VCU or Dayton and the AAC. You're correct that the A10 has no interest in adding any Midwest teams, even one as good as WSU.

I think there's a decent chance that WSU ends up in the AAC. They're a good fit not just in basketball but in other sports as well. The AAC certainly needs a boost in basketball and having an even number of teams would be convenient for scheduling. I assume the main issues to be hammered out are the revenue impact to current AAC members and how to handle WSU's football aspirations. I would think those things are resolvable, but you never know for certain how things will play out.

(12-16-2016 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 11:50 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Well, if VCU is a non-starter due to location, again, please take SLU.

The only value that program has to the A10 is the potential for the conference to look further west...like, for a Wichita State if it was ever interested.

Actually the A-10 already has reportedly decided that they're not interested in WSU or any more teams west of Ohio. If we aren't interested in WSU, then basically SLU has been left to fend for itself.

SLU and WSU to the AAC in basketball only. That would work. The A-10 could hang at 13 (and deal with the odd scheduling issue) or add another team. My suggestion. Stay at 13. Have one team play a 'non-conference' game against another playing a 'conference' game. Its doable.

Why in the hell would the AAC take SLU off of the A10's hands? The AAC wants to be as good as possible, not be a charity case for a putrid SLU program.