(12-16-2016 11:30 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 10:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 10:16 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 07:09 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Charlotte started their program initially with plans to play in FCS. It was only after they started the initial buildup that they received the CUSA invite.

But I'm pretty sure that every DI program has to at least cycle through FCS as part of the creation process.

some schools used their first year as a club team to get players extra practice and time of experience on the field at the highest level.

List of clubs and former club teams. And club teams that went to varsity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...ball_teams

They are missing Oakland who won this year's club football title, and former UTA used to have a team. Wichita State had an article back in 2012 to start a club team to get attraction and moved them into a varsity team. That was the plans for New Orleans. New Orleans was supposed to start football in 2015 in the Southland. It was to turn the club team into a varsity team. Playing on a club team seems not to count towards your eligibility to compete in the NCAAs. NCAA do not count club teams as stats.

That has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.

Actually it could. Milwaukee and Oakland could turn their club teams into a non-scholarship team to play in the Pioneer League. Same for Columbus State if they get invited to the A-Sun. After being in the Pioneer League, Columbus State could go to the Big South.

And one day you could make an intelligent post.

Neither have anything to do with this subject.

What I am getting at is these schools that have a club team just needs a stadium to play in, and they are ready to go. Not much for the teams to start up as non-scholarship football.

(12-16-2016 07:09 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 02:24 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 02:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You have to have an invitation to move up from FCS to FBS.

But I don't know that the NCAA would fight Wichita starting a new FBS program from scratch, if they're in the AAC and they can reasonably argue that they need to be in the FBS to have a chance at joining the AAC in football, in the future.

If it's possible to go from 0-to-FBS, then why did Charlotte have to do two years of FCS and a year of transitional FBS even though CUSA invited them before they played their first game?

I can't imagine the AAC wanting to add a start-up program that went through the FCS-to-FBS transition, much less one that didn't even do that. I think there's a path for a Wichita State football program to join the rest of the school's sports in the AAC if that's how this shakes out, but I'd be shocked if they didn't have to do some time in FCS first.

Charlotte started their program initially with plans to play in FCS. It was only after they started the initial buildup that they received the CUSA invite.

But I'm pretty sure that every DI program has to at least cycle through FCS as part of the creation process.

Nope, University of South Alabama went directly to FBS with no stop at FCS but they had a place to go because they were already in the Sun Belt

(12-16-2016 09:08 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 07:09 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 02:24 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 02:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You have to have an invitation to move up from FCS to FBS.

But I don't know that the NCAA would fight Wichita starting a new FBS program from scratch, if they're in the AAC and they can reasonably argue that they need to be in the FBS to have a chance at joining the AAC in football, in the future.

If it's possible to go from 0-to-FBS, then why did Charlotte have to do two years of FCS and a year of transitional FBS even though CUSA invited them before they played their first game?

I can't imagine the AAC wanting to add a start-up program that went through the FCS-to-FBS transition, much less one that didn't even do that. I think there's a path for a Wichita State football program to join the rest of the school's sports in the AAC if that's how this shakes out, but I'd be shocked if they didn't have to do some time in FCS first.

Charlotte started their program initially with plans to play in FCS. It was only after they started the initial buildup that they received the CUSA invite.

But I'm pretty sure that every DI program has to at least cycle through FCS as part of the creation process.

Nope, University of South Alabama went directly to FBS with no stop at FCS but they had a place to go because they were already in the Sun Belt

Everything I am seeing says they were classified as a FCS Independent in 2011 as the first year of the two year transition from unclassified to FBS.

(12-16-2016 09:08 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 07:09 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 02:24 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 02:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You have to have an invitation to move up from FCS to FBS.

But I don't know that the NCAA would fight Wichita starting a new FBS program from scratch, if they're in the AAC and they can reasonably argue that they need to be in the FBS to have a chance at joining the AAC in football, in the future.

If it's possible to go from 0-to-FBS, then why did Charlotte have to do two years of FCS and a year of transitional FBS even though CUSA invited them before they played their first game?

I can't imagine the AAC wanting to add a start-up program that went through the FCS-to-FBS transition, much less one that didn't even do that. I think there's a path for a Wichita State football program to join the rest of the school's sports in the AAC if that's how this shakes out, but I'd be shocked if they didn't have to do some time in FCS first.

Charlotte started their program initially with plans to play in FCS. It was only after they started the initial buildup that they received the CUSA invite.

But I'm pretty sure that every DI program has to at least cycle through FCS as part of the creation process.

Nope, University of South Alabama went directly to FBS with no stop at FCS but they had a place to go because they were already in the Sun Belt

Technically they did do the two year transition, 2011 as a FCS provisional member that played as an independent, then 2012 as a FBS provisional while playing a full Sun Belt schedule. What they did that was different was that they played their first two seasons as an unclassified team, and the 2011 season was their only one as an FCS member of any type. I believe the rule now is that you must play at least two seasons as an FCS before moving up, but the second season can double as the first season of the transition.

(12-16-2016 10:22 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:08 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 07:09 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 02:24 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 02:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You have to have an invitation to move up from FCS to FBS.

But I don't know that the NCAA would fight Wichita starting a new FBS program from scratch, if they're in the AAC and they can reasonably argue that they need to be in the FBS to have a chance at joining the AAC in football, in the future.

If it's possible to go from 0-to-FBS, then why did Charlotte have to do two years of FCS and a year of transitional FBS even though CUSA invited them before they played their first game?

I can't imagine the AAC wanting to add a start-up program that went through the FCS-to-FBS transition, much less one that didn't even do that. I think there's a path for a Wichita State football program to join the rest of the school's sports in the AAC if that's how this shakes out, but I'd be shocked if they didn't have to do some time in FCS first.

Charlotte started their program initially with plans to play in FCS. It was only after they started the initial buildup that they received the CUSA invite.

But I'm pretty sure that every DI program has to at least cycle through FCS as part of the creation process.

Nope, University of South Alabama went directly to FBS with no stop at FCS but they had a place to go because they were already in the Sun Belt

Technically they did do the two year transition, 2011 as a FCS provisional member that played as an independent, then 2012 as a FBS provisional while playing a full Sun Belt schedule. What they did that was different was that they played their first two seasons as an unclassified team, and the 2011 season was their only one as an FCS member of any type. I believe the rule now is that you must play at least two seasons as an FCS before moving up, but the second season can double as the first season of the transition.

Georgia State started out playing as a club team to get their feet wet, and then went varsity. South Alabama while under not being classified played a schedule of club teams that I listed the link for. They only played 1 club Junior college team in 2009.

In 2010, they beat Henderson State, Arkansas 37-31.