I agree that full membership is out of the question. But I wonder, would BYU ever be considered for football-only membership to the PAC? Or is that still just too much to swallow?


I can see where it would still be too much, for some. Those who think that the CoLDS uses BYU football as nothing more than as a vehicle to spread Mormon influence across the country.

(12-15-2016 07:55 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  This was only a reporter's opinion, not BYU's opinion. They are either staying Indy or dropping football.

BYU will never drop football, it makes no sense to do that. They would rejoin the Mountain West I think before that happened.

I think Stanford and Cal would be opposed no matter what. Utah seems an obvious no as well. No idea what % you need for approval in the PAC

(12-15-2016 11:19 PM)bronconick Wrote:  I think Stanford and Cal would be opposed no matter what. Utah seems an obvious no as well. No idea what % you need for approval in the PAC

75% needed. 9 out of 12.

Could ANYONE from the MWC-WEST get the votes?

(12-16-2016 12:30 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Could ANYONE from the MWC-WEST get the votes?

To the Pac 12? Doubtful, but I would say that UNM could have a decent shot, but only if a program like Notre Dame or Texas joined. By itself, the Pac 12 has no interest in New Mexico whatsoever.

Here is a thought, as a college football fan, why would I want BYU to join a conference? Their schedules are full of cool matchups that result in great games. Their schedules are like the old Notre Dame dance cards. But I guess people would rather watch SJSU vs. BYU.

The cult of conferences around here and in college football is sickening.

BYU and Army are fine with their situation. Quit coming up with proposals that won't come true.

(12-15-2016 11:19 PM)bronconick Wrote:  I think Stanford and Cal would be opposed no matter what. Utah seems an obvious no as well. No idea what % you need for approval in the PAC

PAC 12 isn't tolerant enough to invite BYU.

' Wrote:'

The cult of conferences around here and in college football is sickening.

BYU and Army are fine with their situation. Quit coming up with proposals that won't come true.

If you feel that way about conferences and realignment, I'm not quite sure why you post here.

(12-16-2016 01:41 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Here is a thought, as a college football fan, why would I want BYU to join a conference? Their schedules are full of cool matchups that result in great games. Their schedules are like the old Notre Dame dance cards. But I guess people would rather watch SJSU vs. BYU.

The cult of conferences around here and in college football is sickening.

BYU and Army are fine with their situation. Quit coming up with proposals that won't come true.

Does anybody get excited enough to go watch Washington State, Vanderbilt, Oregon State, Duke or Wake Forest games? They are like San Jose State in the P5 conferences.

MWC should have never invited San Jose State, but go and try and keep BYU, get UTEP, Montana, North Dakota State, and maybe get a Gonzaga to offset Hawaii's football only.

MWC West:
Hawaii (football only)
BYU
Fresno State
San Diego State
Boise State
UNR
UNLV
Gonzaga
Utah State

MWC East:
New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado State
Wyoming
Montana
UTEP
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

16/17 is not bad a conference for both football and basketball right there.

(12-15-2016 11:53 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Regardless, I think fans in the MWC and AAC are constantly *really* overstating BYU's supposed scheduling issues. BYU is getting a healthy and regular number of P5 opponents.

IF BYU has a scheduling issue, it's games during the conference season, and that would be solved by an AAC-BYU deal like Notre Dame has with the ACC--4 to 6 games a year, and BYU joins the AAC bowl pool.

BYU would make the AAC more attractive for western bowls, and BYU would get more frequent access to eastern bowls.

I don't know if these bullet points are worth making a deal over. But this sort of arrangement is pretty easy to make, and doesn't threaten anyone's core demands the way joining a conference would. And please don't suggest some Rube Goldberg scheme for BYU to go to the AAC championship game as a path to the Access Bowl.

(12-15-2016 02:22 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:53 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:35 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:29 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:09 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Only 4 P5 teams on BYU's schedule next year (vs. LSU in Houston, @ Mississippi State, Utah & Wisconsin in Provo).

Right, but a G5 school is typically lucky to get 1 home game against a P5 school at all. To have a neutral site game plus 2 home games against P5 schools is something that is virtually impossible to do as a G5 school. Plus, BYU is still able to cherry-pick the handful of G5 schools that they *do* want to play (such as Boise State and Utah State) - you're not going to find too many G5 programs turning down a home-and-home series with BYU. It's not as if though they're missing out on playing any MWC and AAC schools that they believe are worth playing.

If BYU is dipping down to only 2 P5 opponents per year, then we might start having an argument about whether they're truly having scheduling issues. However, their low end of P5 games seems to be 4 per year... and even if it's "only" 4 per year, that's still significantly better than what they could do as a G5 school.

The real problem is a lot of these home games are the result of 2-for-1 deals. Lots of schools can get home games vs P5s if they do 2-for-one deals. BYU has a done a number of 2-for-1 deals---thats not sustainable. At some point, they are going to have to pay the piper so to speak and their future home schedules will suffer. That said, I don't think they are going to join a conference. The church isn't concerned about football on the field as much as they are concerned about football as a church outreach program.

I think the 2-for-1 series (from my recollection includes USC, Stanford and Michigan State) were signed in the first couple of years of BYU's independence where time was of the essence to simply get enough games on the schedule. The more recent P5 scheduling deals (such as Arizona State and Washington on top of the traditional Utah rivalry game) have been straight home-and-home series.

Regardless, I think fans in the MWC and AAC are constantly *really* overstating BYU's supposed scheduling issues. BYU is getting a healthy and regular number of P5 opponents.

I agree with your last point that the LDS Church has a very different mindset for what it wants from BYU football than any other school. This would be like the Vatican controlling Notre Dame's independence vs. conference decision. The control of BYU's football program goes WAY beyond the alums and boosters that you'd typically see at other schools.

Why thank you Frank for coming down off of your throne in Big10 heaven to let us peasants know that we don't have the right to talk or discuss whatever far fetched ideas and scenarios about BYU or any other teams we want on a fan message board.

He is so full of crap ,and apparently loves to hear himself talk. Hewonus alter ego.

(12-16-2016 01:56 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

' Wrote:'

The cult of conferences around here and in college football is sickening.

BYU and Army are fine with their situation. Quit coming up with proposals that won't come true.

If you feel that way about conferences and realignment, I'm not quite sure why you post here.

I feel the same way. I post here because it involves college football news. I don't like conferences at all and wish all would disband.

To each their own.

(12-15-2016 06:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  BYU wouldn't join the MWC if Utah St was there. Boise St might even be a problem for them. Nothing wrong with Utah St, but associating with with them is too demoralizing for mormon brass as they havent been associated with Utah St for generations. The AAC isn't nearly as much of a jolt to them as the current MWC.

Yet BYU schedules Utah State annually in multiple sports.

(12-16-2016 10:29 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 01:56 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

' Wrote:'

The cult of conferences around here and in college football is sickening.

BYU and Army are fine with their situation. Quit coming up with proposals that won't come true.

If you feel that way about conferences and realignment, I'm not quite sure why you post here.

I feel the same way. I post here because it involves college football news. I don't like conferences at all and wish all would disband.

To each their own.

The NCAA has entrenched power in the conferences and made it very difficult to form new ones. The day of independent schools having an impact seems long gone.

(12-16-2016 11:10 AM)f1do Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 06:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  BYU wouldn't join the MWC if Utah St was there. Boise St might even be a problem for them. Nothing wrong with Utah St, but associating with with them is too demoralizing for mormon brass as they havent been associated with Utah St for generations. The AAC isn't nearly as much of a jolt to them as the current MWC.

Yet BYU schedules Utah State annually in multiple sports.

Yet Utah still schedules BYU. Same issue, only in reverse.

BYU schedule S Utah and Weber St too. That doesnt mean BYU has Big Sky aspirations.

(12-16-2016 11:21 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 11:10 AM)f1do Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 06:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  BYU wouldn't join the MWC if Utah St was there. Boise St might even be a problem for them. Nothing wrong with Utah St, but associating with with them is too demoralizing for mormon brass as they havent been associated with Utah St for generations. The AAC isn't nearly as much of a jolt to them as the current MWC.

Yet BYU schedules Utah State annually in multiple sports.

Yet Utah still schedules BYU. Same issue, only in reverse.

BYU schedule S Utah and Weber St too. That doesnt mean BYU has Big Sky aspirations.

What does Utah, Southern Utah, and Weber State have to do with whether or not BYU would be in a conference with Utah State? I really can't follow where you are going with this. You claimed BYU won't be in the MWC because Utah State is there. That is an absolute fallacy. When BYU was leaving the MWC (which Utah State was NOT a member of), they tried to put non-football sports in the WAC (of which Utah State was a member). After that plan was blown up, Utah State joined the MWC--and BYU was already gone. There are many reasons BYU won't join the MWC today and none of those reasons have to do with Utah State's presence.

(12-16-2016 11:55 AM)f1do Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 11:21 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 11:10 AM)f1do Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 06:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  BYU wouldn't join the MWC if Utah St was there. Boise St might even be a problem for them. Nothing wrong with Utah St, but associating with with them is too demoralizing for mormon brass as they havent been associated with Utah St for generations. The AAC isn't nearly as much of a jolt to them as the current MWC.

Yet BYU schedules Utah State annually in multiple sports.

Yet Utah still schedules BYU. Same issue, only in reverse.

BYU schedule S Utah and Weber St too. That doesnt mean BYU has Big Sky aspirations.

What does Utah, Southern Utah, and Weber State have to do with whether or not BYU would be in a conference with Utah State? I really can't follow where you are going with this. You claimed BYU won't be in the MWC because Utah State is there. That is an absolute fallacy. When BYU was leaving the MWC (which Utah State was NOT a member of), they tried to put non-football sports in the WAC (of which Utah State was a member). After that plan was blown up, Utah State joined the MWC--and BYU was already gone. There are many reasons BYU won't join the MWC today and none of those reasons have to do with Utah State's presence.

Scheduling a school like Utah State says nothing about BYU's aspirations. BYU is too prideful to ever join the MWC, as the conference they left is better than it now is. Joining the MWC would be and admission that past decisions were a mistake. Mormon elders don't admit mistakes publicly.

(12-16-2016 02:11 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Scheduling a school like Utah State says nothing about BYU's aspirations. BYU is too prideful to ever join the MWC, as the conference they left is better than it now is. Joining the MWC would be and admission that past decisions were a mistake. Mormon elders don't admit mistakes publicly.

Well I suppose that IF it was a mistake for BYU to leave the MWC when they did, and the only reason they will not rejoin the MWC is because they are "too prideful", then yeah, that would make them too proud for their own good.

But I don't agree with that supposition.

BYU schedules Utah State because it is a local school and a rivalry.

Geez a Lou, use some critical thinking on these issues.