(12-16-2016 09:51 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Beg to differ. I've had several people bring that up to me this month and last during discussions of NIU going to a bowl game. NIU really made a name for itself with that performance.

They are in the minority and probably either live near Dekalb or follow NIU. I have friends that are NIU fans and they couldn't even tell you who we played last year with much confidence. You're obsessed with that bowl loss so I'm not surprised you think people still remember it. Can you tell me who Cincinnati played in their bowl game last year? How about Memphis, Northwestern or Florida? All of those teams got trounced and nobody outside of those fan bases remember who they played. NIU certainly had a historically bad offensive game but nobody cares because it was NIU vs Boise St in the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl. It's an exhibition game.

(12-16-2016 10:47 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:51 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Beg to differ. I've had several people bring that up to me this month and last during discussions of NIU going to a bowl game. NIU really made a name for itself with that performance.

They are in the minority and probably either live near Dekalb or follow NIU. I have friends that are NIU fans and they couldn't even tell you who we played last year with much confidence. You're obsessed with that bowl loss so I'm not surprised you think people still remember it. Can you tell me who Cincinnati played in their bowl game last year? How about Memphis, Northwestern or Florida? All of those teams got trounced and nobody outside of those fan bases remember who they played. NIU certainly had a historically bad offensive game but nobody cares because it was NIU vs Boise St in the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl. It's an exhibition game.

Correct, it's old news. All teams get blown out at some time or another. Granted, this loss was particularly bad, but life moves on.

(12-16-2016 03:15 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Due Process" that liitle thing in the constitution university administrators are not too enthused about. Due Process is a problem on many campuses.

.... but, in University rules, it's more strict. And with the players knowing they'll be beat without the guys + frustrated about the legal call -- look out. Can't wait to see what happens. Sucks it's a B1G team. Would rather see Washington State in the mess, as that's more fitting to them. But then again, I don't want another MAC vs B1G bowl game going on, as I'm used to that 1st month of college football!

Stricter in the sense of having more latitude to punish students who do things. Less strict in the sense that the standards for criminal prosecution, especially in cases like these, are way higher. This is what the university should spell out to them.

And Minny should have the Criminal Law prof from their law school talk to the team and break it down for them that not prosecuting someone doesn't mean **** for whether that person did anything wrong. Hell, we all know from OJ that acquittal doesn't mean innocent. It doesn't help them with the mental struggle with whether dudes they think they know are dirtbags but at least they'll know enough that they should stop saying stupid things about "due process"

(12-16-2016 10:47 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:51 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Beg to differ. I've had several people bring that up to me this month and last during discussions of NIU going to a bowl game. NIU really made a name for itself with that performance.

They are in the minority and probably either live near Dekalb or follow NIU. I have friends that are NIU fans and they couldn't even tell you who we played last year with much confidence. You're obsessed with that bowl loss so I'm not surprised you think people still remember it. Can you tell me who Cincinnati played in their bowl game last year? How about Memphis, Northwestern or Florida? All of those teams got trounced and nobody outside of those fan bases remember who they played. NIU certainly had a historically bad offensive game but nobody cares because it was NIU vs Boise St in the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl. It's an exhibition game.

(12-16-2016 11:12 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 10:47 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:51 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Beg to differ. I've had several people bring that up to me this month and last during discussions of NIU going to a bowl game. NIU really made a name for itself with that performance.

They are in the minority and probably either live near Dekalb or follow NIU. I have friends that are NIU fans and they couldn't even tell you who we played last year with much confidence. You're obsessed with that bowl loss so I'm not surprised you think people still remember it. Can you tell me who Cincinnati played in their bowl game last year? How about Memphis, Northwestern or Florida? All of those teams got trounced and nobody outside of those fan bases remember who they played. NIU certainly had a historically bad offensive game but nobody cares because it was NIU vs Boise St in the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl. It's an exhibition game.

I knew you guys played in a bowl last year and lost, but didn't know you got beat that badly. Nobody pays attention to the bowl games unless it's your team or a rival's team.

(12-16-2016 11:12 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 10:47 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 09:51 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Beg to differ. I've had several people bring that up to me this month and last during discussions of NIU going to a bowl game. NIU really made a name for itself with that performance.

They are in the minority and probably either live near Dekalb or follow NIU. I have friends that are NIU fans and they couldn't even tell you who we played last year with much confidence. You're obsessed with that bowl loss so I'm not surprised you think people still remember it. Can you tell me who Cincinnati played in their bowl game last year? How about Memphis, Northwestern or Florida? All of those teams got trounced and nobody outside of those fan bases remember who they played. NIU certainly had a historically bad offensive game but nobody cares because it was NIU vs Boise St in the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl. It's an exhibition game.

I see your point, but to play devil's advocate when you start losing every bowl game and getting trounced here-and-there along the way, people start to remember and impressions form. The selfish side of me doesn't want to see my school get embarrassed again, but it would be nice for these seniors who will probably never play another snap again to suit up one last time.

This Goofer thing is just awful everywhere: a probable sexual assault, the University throwing the book at anyone within sniffing distance of the assault, the players revolting, the AD and the President being completely spineless, legal eagles everywhere offering their advice and comments, the county police saying no charges but a office within the school proceeding with punishment regardless...... and all this leads the local news and now even the national news have stories.

Not all gnus is good gnus.

Remember stuff like this when people complain about NIU Athletics. Our school runs a clean, honest and high academically performing program.

(12-16-2016 11:20 AM)NIUHuskie4life Wrote:  I see your point, but to play devil's advocate when you start losing every bowl game and getting trounced here-and-there along the way, people start to remember and impressions form. The selfish side of me doesn't want to see my school get embarrassed again, but it would be nice for these seniors who will probably never play another snap again to suit up one last time.

Yeah it's definitely not ideal to make a habit or earn a reputation for getting stomped in bowl games. Sport coverage and team/program perception is moving away from tradition and long-term success evaluation though. If NIU wins one or two bowl games in a row nobody will even remember or care about the ones that they lost...and by spring they will forget that we won a bowl game.

If somehow UM boycotted, I don't think it would be in NIUs best interest to go. I would think you would want to stand by the actions of another institutions decision, whatever it is. NIU would want the same in return.

This isn't a movie like TAPS. No "student" demands. And in all honesty, if I were B10, I would move against any team/conf accepting an invitation.

I don't think, hope it gets this far for all parties.

This is not NIU's fight or any other schools fight. Thats like saying WSU should boycott as well.

What people have to understand is that these suspensions/punishment are administratively based, which means there is a much lower burden of proof than needed in a criminal investigation.

(12-16-2016 02:28 PM)huskiehog64 Wrote:  This is not NIU's fight or any other schools fight. Thats like saying WSU should boycott as well.

What people have to understand is that these suspensions/punishment are administratively based, which means there is a much lower burden of proof than needed in a criminal investigation.

WSU is not replacing UM. They already were in the game.

Maybe now NIU asks the team if they want to go, and then they side with the UM players and so no. That would be something.

Oddly enough, UM HC is now tweeting player support. Bet that goes over great with school officials.Then again, they may have told him to to save face with team.

(12-16-2016 02:51 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  UM HC is now tweeting player support. Bet that goes over great with school officials.Then again, they may have told him to to save face with team.

Claeys is not doing this to save face. He's doing it to clear his name.

If you can believe this, the University President and AD first said to the players that it was Claeys who made the supensions, when in fact Claeys was either a) against suspensions, or b) not made aware that the University was going to suspend the players without his input.

One thing for sure, MASSIVE changes are coming to the U - at the football program, at the AD office, and maybe even in the President's office. Kailer, the Pres, seems to well liked academically (if not notoriously cold and unpleasant towards students and U employees) but he has stumbled horribly in many recent Athletics scandals.

(12-16-2016 02:51 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 02:28 PM)huskiehog64 Wrote:  This is not NIU's fight or any other schools fight. Thats like saying WSU should boycott as well.

What people have to understand is that these suspensions/punishment are administratively based, which means there is a much lower burden of proof than needed in a criminal investigation.

WSU is not replacing UM. They already were in the game.

Maybe now NIU asks the team if they want to go, and then they side with the UM players and so no. That would be something.

Oddly enough, UM HC is now tweeting player support. Bet that goes over great with school officials.Then again, they may have told him to to save face with team.

Not sure I follow. UM players are protesting their school leadership, not the Holiday Bowl. NIU not taking UM's place in the bowl to show solidarity would be no different than showing solidarity with the University of Texas because they decided not to accept an invite in a bowl game.

Players now meeting with Board of Regents.

Word on the street is that Claeys is done for not toeing the company line.

I can see a Minnesota Player arriving late, getting confused as to what's going on...

(12-16-2016 11:03 AM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 03:15 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Due Process" that liitle thing in the constitution university administrators are not too enthused about. Due Process is a problem on many campuses.

.... but, in University rules, it's more strict. And with the players knowing they'll be beat without the guys + frustrated about the legal call -- look out. Can't wait to see what happens. Sucks it's a B1G team. Would rather see Washington State in the mess, as that's more fitting to them. But then again, I don't want another MAC vs B1G bowl game going on, as I'm used to that 1st month of college football!

Stricter in the sense of having more latitude to punish students who do things. Less strict in the sense that the standards for criminal prosecution, especially in cases like these, are way higher. This is what the university should spell out to them.

And Minny should have the Criminal Law prof from their law school talk to the team and break it down for them that not prosecuting someone doesn't mean **** for whether that person did anything wrong. Hell, we all know from OJ that acquittal doesn't mean innocent. It doesn't help them with the mental struggle with whether dudes they think they know are dirtbags but at least they'll know enough that they should stop saying stupid things about "due process"

Stuoid? Ask Duke University. There are others as well that have failed the Due Process standard and have paid the price.

(12-16-2016 02:28 PM)huskiehog64 Wrote:  This is not NIU's fight or any other schools fight. Thats like saying WSU should boycott as well.

What people have to understand is that these suspensions/punishment are administratively based, which means there is a much lower burden of proof than needed in a criminal investigation.

Exactly, this is a Title IX investigation and its independent of any police investigation. School is following the law and the players are misguided because due process does not apply. I know it would be difficult to get everyone back but it's a great opportunity for us if it does happen.

Scary thing is we attempted to recruit a few of those players that got suspended.

Here is an article from Inside Education regarding Due Process and the judicial sytem. Article refers to 10 lawsiuts in the past year. Amazing so many eduactors willingly violate such a basic constitutional isuue.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016...al-assault