(12-14-2016 07:46 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 06:39 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  Pastner left Tubby worse than Cal left Pastner

Tubby just didn't seem concerned about adding to the roster

Just when i thought you could hold your liquor you come up with the most asinine comment of your career.

Smith inherited at least three 4 star players from 2015 class alone.

Willie Kemp
Wesley Witherspoon
Angel Garcia
Doneal Mack

Were all 4 start recruits inherited by Pastner. Not to mention the 5 star transfer who fell in his lap.

(12-14-2016 11:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We shot 32 FTs and made 21 with several misses front end of 1 & 1. Did Tubby shoot those FTs? Poor game all around but this one is on the players, poor defense, bad FT shooting. Tubby was effective in stemming the Monmouth offense early with the change to the zone but the TO at the end by Martin was fairly typical of the game as a whole & the poor judgement on the floor. And Rykhoek is a liability on the floor late in the 2nd half in a close game, just more very poor FT shooting waiting to be taken advantage of by the opposition.

Chad didn't play from the 14 minute mark until the end of the game. That was all Rivers.

In the 6 minutes of the second half he played, Chad scored 4 points (2-2 from the line), had 1 rebound and blocked 2 shots. Rivers played 14 minutes and had 1 point (1-4 from the line) and 2 rebounds.

So you ignore Chad's FT shooting for the season to date or even the 1st half? - that's objective. Don't imagine Tubby sees much in Rivers beyond a body to take Chad's place on the floor.

I don't ignore anything but what actually happened.

He took the better player off the floor for the final 14 minutes and with a decent sized lead.

And then he lost the lead and the game.

We can talk strategy and stats and how many planets in the solar system and whatever else, but that's what happened. The guy with the better stats and better +/- got sat for the final 14 minutes and the lead evaporated.

We're short on bodies and he probably needed a rest but not 14 mins and game on the line. Also the team gotta hit free throws.

(12-14-2016 11:51 AM)HobosHeroesStCornerClowns Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We shot 32 FTs and made 21 with several misses front end of 1 & 1. Did Tubby shoot those FTs? Poor game all around but this one is on the players, poor defense, bad FT shooting. Tubby was effective in stemming the Monmouth offense early with the change to the zone but the TO at the end by Martin was fairly typical of the game as a whole & the poor judgement on the floor. And Rykhoek is a liability on the floor late in the 2nd half in a close game, just more very poor FT shooting waiting to be taken advantage of by the opposition.

Chad didn't play from the 14 minute mark until the end of the game. That was all Rivers.

In the 6 minutes of the second half he played, Chad scored 4 points (2-2 from the line), had 1 rebound and blocked 2 shots. Rivers played 14 minutes and had 1 point (1-4 from the line) and 2 rebounds.

So you ignore Chad's FT shooting for the season to date or even the 1st half? - that's objective. Don't imagine Tubby sees much in Rivers beyond a body to take Chad's place on the floor.

I don't ignore anything but what actually happened.

He took the better player off the floor for the final 14 minutes and with a decent sized lead.

And then he lost the lead and the game.

We can talk strategy and stats and how many planets in the solar system and whatever else, but that's what happened. The guy with the better stats and better +/- got sat for the final 14 minutes and the lead evaporated.

We're short on bodies and he probably needed a rest but not 14 mins and game on the line. Also the team gotta hit free throws.

Sounds about right.

(12-14-2016 11:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We shot 32 FTs and made 21 with several misses front end of 1 & 1. Did Tubby shoot those FTs? Poor game all around but this one is on the players, poor defense, bad FT shooting. Tubby was effective in stemming the Monmouth offense early with the change to the zone but the TO at the end by Martin was fairly typical of the game as a whole & the poor judgement on the floor. And Rykhoek is a liability on the floor late in the 2nd half in a close game, just more very poor FT shooting waiting to be taken advantage of by the opposition.

Chad didn't play from the 14 minute mark until the end of the game. That was all Rivers.

In the 6 minutes of the second half he played, Chad scored 4 points (2-2 from the line), had 1 rebound and blocked 2 shots. Rivers played 14 minutes and had 1 point (1-4 from the line) and 2 rebounds.

So you ignore Chad's FT shooting for the season to date or even the 1st half? - that's objective. Don't imagine Tubby sees much in Rivers beyond a body to take Chad's place on the floor.

I don't ignore anything but what actually happened.

He took the better player off the floor for the final 14 minutes and with a decent sized lead.

And then he lost the lead and the game.

We can talk strategy and stats and how many planets in the solar system and whatever else, but that's what happened. The guy with the better stats and better +/- got sat for the final 14 minutes and the lead evaporated.

"I don't ignore anything but what actually happened." Not sure that statement makes sense but I'll assume you mean you don't ignore what actually happens. Just not true, What is Chad shooting YTD from the FT line? What was Rivers shooting going into the Monmouth game from the FT line (75% as I noted previously). You are cherry picking. And you assume you know the details of why Chad didn't play, just like previous games late in the 2nd half (maybe he doesn't yet have the stamina to go late in the 2nd half). All the while ignoring the real reasons for the loss, FT shooting & poor defense.

Tubby made a few mistakes this game, but I'm 100% confident that if Pastner coached the same game he would have made at least twice as many mistakes. Tubby should have called a timeout on that last play as soon as it started going south. He's got to teach Jeremiah to stop dribbling into the damn corner every play. I also would have liked to see Chad get some minutes in the 2nd half, he and Dedric had a really nice high-low game going in the beginning of the first half. Also Craig only played a season low 8 minutes and I think should have gotten some more run. Could have used his shooting against the zone they were playing most the night. We are gonna have to develop him as he is our only scoring option off the bench.

The crowd wasn't huge last night, but it did get pretty loud and rowdy. The past two home games are the loudest I've heard the building get in two years, so if you've been thinking about coming to a game you should. Other than the end result the game last night was a lot of fun. At least I'm pretty sure it was, the late tip allowed me to drink a bottle of wine that probably helped me enjoy myself a little extra.

(12-14-2016 12:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We shot 32 FTs and made 21 with several misses front end of 1 & 1. Did Tubby shoot those FTs? Poor game all around but this one is on the players, poor defense, bad FT shooting. Tubby was effective in stemming the Monmouth offense early with the change to the zone but the TO at the end by Martin was fairly typical of the game as a whole & the poor judgement on the floor. And Rykhoek is a liability on the floor late in the 2nd half in a close game, just more very poor FT shooting waiting to be taken advantage of by the opposition.

Chad didn't play from the 14 minute mark until the end of the game. That was all Rivers.

In the 6 minutes of the second half he played, Chad scored 4 points (2-2 from the line), had 1 rebound and blocked 2 shots. Rivers played 14 minutes and had 1 point (1-4 from the line) and 2 rebounds.

So you ignore Chad's FT shooting for the season to date or even the 1st half? - that's objective. Don't imagine Tubby sees much in Rivers beyond a body to take Chad's place on the floor.

I don't ignore anything but what actually happened.

He took the better player off the floor for the final 14 minutes and with a decent sized lead.

And then he lost the lead and the game.

We can talk strategy and stats and how many planets in the solar system and whatever else, but that's what happened. The guy with the better stats and better +/- got sat for the final 14 minutes and the lead evaporated.

"I don't ignore anything but what actually happened." Not sure that statement makes sense but I'll assume you mean you don't ignore what actually happens. Just not true, What is Chad shooting YTD from the FT line? What was Rivers shooting going into the Monmouth game from the FT line (75% as I noted previously). You are cherry picking. And you assume you know the details of why Chad didn't play, just like previous games late in the 2nd half (maybe he doesn't yet have the stamina to go late in the 2nd half). All the while ignoring the real reasons for the loss, FT shooting & poor defense.

Like I said, you can talk about all that stuff all day long.

They were up when he was in the game, lost the lead when he went out.

He was better +/- and better stats than his replacement.

If that's cherry picking, so be it.

Whatever the reaons, he had 12 points and 4 blocks and never saw the floor again after the 14 minute mark.

EDIT - I also said that there were other reasons for the loss, conceding your points in a reply to your post.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-802339-post-139...id13905751

(12-14-2016 12:04 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Chad didn't play from the 14 minute mark until the end of the game. That was all Rivers.

In the 6 minutes of the second half he played, Chad scored 4 points (2-2 from the line), had 1 rebound and blocked 2 shots. Rivers played 14 minutes and had 1 point (1-4 from the line) and 2 rebounds.

So you ignore Chad's FT shooting for the season to date or even the 1st half? - that's objective. Don't imagine Tubby sees much in Rivers beyond a body to take Chad's place on the floor.

I don't ignore anything but what actually happened.

He took the better player off the floor for the final 14 minutes and with a decent sized lead.

And then he lost the lead and the game.

We can talk strategy and stats and how many planets in the solar system and whatever else, but that's what happened. The guy with the better stats and better +/- got sat for the final 14 minutes and the lead evaporated.

"I don't ignore anything but what actually happened." Not sure that statement makes sense but I'll assume you mean you don't ignore what actually happens. Just not true, What is Chad shooting YTD from the FT line? What was Rivers shooting going into the Monmouth game from the FT line (75% as I noted previously). You are cherry picking. And you assume you know the details of why Chad didn't play, just like previous games late in the 2nd half (maybe he doesn't yet have the stamina to go late in the 2nd half). All the while ignoring the real reasons for the loss, FT shooting & poor defense.

Like I said, you can talk about all that stuff all day long.

They were up when he was in the game, lost the lead when he went out.

He was better +/- and better stats than his replacement.

If that's cherry picking, so be it.

Whatever the reaons, he had 12 points and 4 blocks and never saw the floor again after the 14 minute mark.

EDIT - I also said that there were other reasons for the loss, conceding your points in a reply to your post.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-802339-post-139...id13905751

So when Rivers came in during the first half and the team went on a run...How do you explain that, he didn't grab any rebounds and I think he only scored 2 points. Again many things don't show up in the statsheet.

Perimeter defense lost this game...We couldn't stay in front of anyone last night...Becoming a theme for the year.

(12-14-2016 01:20 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:04 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  So you ignore Chad's FT shooting for the season to date or even the 1st half? - that's objective. Don't imagine Tubby sees much in Rivers beyond a body to take Chad's place on the floor.

I don't ignore anything but what actually happened.

He took the better player off the floor for the final 14 minutes and with a decent sized lead.

And then he lost the lead and the game.

We can talk strategy and stats and how many planets in the solar system and whatever else, but that's what happened. The guy with the better stats and better +/- got sat for the final 14 minutes and the lead evaporated.

"I don't ignore anything but what actually happened." Not sure that statement makes sense but I'll assume you mean you don't ignore what actually happens. Just not true, What is Chad shooting YTD from the FT line? What was Rivers shooting going into the Monmouth game from the FT line (75% as I noted previously). You are cherry picking. And you assume you know the details of why Chad didn't play, just like previous games late in the 2nd half (maybe he doesn't yet have the stamina to go late in the 2nd half). All the while ignoring the real reasons for the loss, FT shooting & poor defense.

Like I said, you can talk about all that stuff all day long.

They were up when he was in the game, lost the lead when he went out.

He was better +/- and better stats than his replacement.

If that's cherry picking, so be it.

Whatever the reaons, he had 12 points and 4 blocks and never saw the floor again after the 14 minute mark.

EDIT - I also said that there were other reasons for the loss, conceding your points in a reply to your post.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-802339-post-139...id13905751

So when Rivers came in during the first half and the team went on a run...How do you explain that. Again many things don't show up in the statsheet.

Duh.

Memphis started off slowly in the first seven or so minutes and Chad was (-2). Rivers came in and things went well (+7). Smart to leave him in. Chad finished the last 7 minutes of the 1st half at +5.

So, let's just really lay it out there.

SIX guys played in the 2nd half. So the only variable, in terms of the lineup, was Chad vs. Rivers. That's it.

Dedric: 20 minutes. KJ: 20 minutes. Markel: 20 minutes. Martin: 20 minutes.

So, those four + Rivers saw a 10 point lead evaporate. Rivers wasn't contributing on the offensive end (0-2 from the field, 1-4 from the line).

I don't know what other metric you want to use for the 2nd half.

Perhaps the hall of fame coach could have subbed one of the 20 minute guys for a minute or two, or used one of his timeouts earlier. Or put Chad back in the game for a minute, or even put in someone else.

But sitting back and watching the same five leak a 10 point lead did not seem smart.

The metrics I would use are missed FTs & poor defense.......& leave off the commentary & subjection.

(12-14-2016 01:20 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:04 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  So you ignore Chad's FT shooting for the season to date or even the 1st half? - that's objective. Don't imagine Tubby sees much in Rivers beyond a body to take Chad's place on the floor.

I don't ignore anything but what actually happened.

He took the better player off the floor for the final 14 minutes and with a decent sized lead.

And then he lost the lead and the game.

We can talk strategy and stats and how many planets in the solar system and whatever else, but that's what happened. The guy with the better stats and better +/- got sat for the final 14 minutes and the lead evaporated.

"I don't ignore anything but what actually happened." Not sure that statement makes sense but I'll assume you mean you don't ignore what actually happens. Just not true, What is Chad shooting YTD from the FT line? What was Rivers shooting going into the Monmouth game from the FT line (75% as I noted previously). You are cherry picking. And you assume you know the details of why Chad didn't play, just like previous games late in the 2nd half (maybe he doesn't yet have the stamina to go late in the 2nd half). All the while ignoring the real reasons for the loss, FT shooting & poor defense.

Like I said, you can talk about all that stuff all day long.

They were up when he was in the game, lost the lead when he went out.

He was better +/- and better stats than his replacement.

If that's cherry picking, so be it.

Whatever the reaons, he had 12 points and 4 blocks and never saw the floor again after the 14 minute mark.

EDIT - I also said that there were other reasons for the loss, conceding your points in a reply to your post.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-802339-post-139...id13905751

So when Rivers came in during the first half and the team went on a run...How do you explain that, he didn't grab any rebounds and I think he only scored 2 points. Again many things don't show up in the statsheet.

Perimeter defense lost this game...We couldn't stay in front of anyone last night...Becoming a theme for the year.

I agree for the most part (and have already conceded that D and FTs also played a part), just saying Chad probably should've seen the floor some in the final 14 minutes...dude is 6-11, wasn't in foul trouble, had double figure points and 4 blocks.

You seem to think it's on the players and not at all on the coach.

I think Tubby can stand a little heat. He just lost a home game to Monmouth that he led by 12.

(12-14-2016 01:31 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:20 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:04 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I don't ignore anything but what actually happened.

He took the better player off the floor for the final 14 minutes and with a decent sized lead.

And then he lost the lead and the game.

We can talk strategy and stats and how many planets in the solar system and whatever else, but that's what happened. The guy with the better stats and better +/- got sat for the final 14 minutes and the lead evaporated.

"I don't ignore anything but what actually happened." Not sure that statement makes sense but I'll assume you mean you don't ignore what actually happens. Just not true, What is Chad shooting YTD from the FT line? What was Rivers shooting going into the Monmouth game from the FT line (75% as I noted previously). You are cherry picking. And you assume you know the details of why Chad didn't play, just like previous games late in the 2nd half (maybe he doesn't yet have the stamina to go late in the 2nd half). All the while ignoring the real reasons for the loss, FT shooting & poor defense.

Like I said, you can talk about all that stuff all day long.

They were up when he was in the game, lost the lead when he went out.

He was better +/- and better stats than his replacement.

If that's cherry picking, so be it.

Whatever the reaons, he had 12 points and 4 blocks and never saw the floor again after the 14 minute mark.

EDIT - I also said that there were other reasons for the loss, conceding your points in a reply to your post.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-802339-post-139...id13905751

So when Rivers came in during the first half and the team went on a run...How do you explain that. Again many things don't show up in the statsheet.

Duh.

Memphis started off slowly in the first seven or so minutes and Chad was (-2). Rivers came in and things went well (+7). Smart to leave him in. Chad finished the last 7 minutes of the 1st half at +5.

So, let's just really lay it out there.

SIX guys played in the 2nd half. So the only variable, in terms of the lineup, was Chad vs. Rivers. That's it.

Dedric: 20 minutes. KJ: 20 minutes. Markel: 20 minutes. Martin: 20 minutes.

So, those four + Rivers saw a 10 point lead evaporate. Rivers wasn't contributing on the offensive end (0-2 from the field, 1-4 from the line).

I don't know what other metric you want to use for the 2nd half.

Perhaps the hall of fame coach could have subbed one of the 20 minute guys for a minute or two, or used one of his timeouts earlier. Or put Chad back in the game for a minute, or even put in someone else.

But sitting back and watching the same five leak a 10 point lead did not seem smart.

I don't even care about metrics.

Dude couldn't board, couldn't defend, got blocked on a breakaway. He made one nice pass and may have hit a FT in there, but the rest was very, very average.

I'm not down on Rivers, but he wasn't playing well.

(12-14-2016 11:37 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We shot 32 FTs and made 21 with several misses front end of 1 & 1. Did Tubby shoot those FTs? Poor game all around but this one is on the players, poor defense, bad FT shooting. Tubby was effective in stemming the Monmouth offense early with the change to the zone but the TO at the end by Martin was fairly typical of the game as a whole & the poor judgement on the floor. And Rykhoek is a liability on the floor late in the 2nd half in a close game, just more very poor FT shooting waiting to be taken advantage of by the opposition.

Chad didn't play from the 14 minute mark until the end of the game. That was all Rivers.

In the 6 minutes of the second half he played, Chad scored 4 points (2-2 from the line), had 1 rebound and blocked 2 shots. Rivers played 14 minutes and had 1 point (1-4 from the line) and 2 rebounds.

So you ignore Chad's FT shooting for the season to date or even the 1st half? - that's objective. Don't imagine Tubby sees much in Rivers beyond a body to take Chad's place on the floor. And Rivers had been a 75% FT shooter YTD. Tubby has to have foreknowledge too that performance will contradict the past, got it.

Some don't get it. The agenda clouds their vision. We all knew it was headed towards a nail-biter at the end and FT's might make a difference. Hindsight is 20/20, but the move was to put in the better FT and defender. That is obviously Rivers.

It's pretty easy to pick apart things after the fact though.

My problem was the offense we went to late in the game. Possessions were not good.

(12-14-2016 12:02 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  Tubby made a few mistakes this game, but I'm 100% confident that if Pastner coached the same game he would have made at least twice as many mistakes. Tubby should have called a timeout on that last play as soon as it started going south. He's got to teach Jeremiah to stop dribbling into the damn corner every play. I also would have liked to see Chad get some minutes in the 2nd half, he and Dedric had a really nice high-low game going in the beginning of the first half. Also Craig only played a season low 8 minutes and I think should have gotten some more run. Could have used his shooting against the zone they were playing most the night. We are gonna have to develop him as he is our only scoring option off the bench.

The crowd wasn't huge last night, but it did get pretty loud and rowdy. The past two home games are the loudest I've heard the building get in two years, so if you've been thinking about coming to a game you should. Other than the end result the game last night was a lot of fun. At least I'm pretty sure it was, the late tip allowed me to drink a bottle of wine that probably helped me enjoy myself a little extra.

Good comments. There were mistakes by the staff and more by the players. Hate to lose to a non-name at home, but it's where we are right now. I like Martin, but we have to get better guard play. Taking Chad out when he did was the right move. Probably should have gone back to him at some point, if he was able. Hindsight and all.

(12-14-2016 02:10 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:20 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:04 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I don't ignore anything but what actually happened.

He took the better player off the floor for the final 14 minutes and with a decent sized lead.

And then he lost the lead and the game.

We can talk strategy and stats and how many planets in the solar system and whatever else, but that's what happened. The guy with the better stats and better +/- got sat for the final 14 minutes and the lead evaporated.

"I don't ignore anything but what actually happened." Not sure that statement makes sense but I'll assume you mean you don't ignore what actually happens. Just not true, What is Chad shooting YTD from the FT line? What was Rivers shooting going into the Monmouth game from the FT line (75% as I noted previously). You are cherry picking. And you assume you know the details of why Chad didn't play, just like previous games late in the 2nd half (maybe he doesn't yet have the stamina to go late in the 2nd half). All the while ignoring the real reasons for the loss, FT shooting & poor defense.

Like I said, you can talk about all that stuff all day long.

They were up when he was in the game, lost the lead when he went out.

He was better +/- and better stats than his replacement.

If that's cherry picking, so be it.

Whatever the reaons, he had 12 points and 4 blocks and never saw the floor again after the 14 minute mark.

EDIT - I also said that there were other reasons for the loss, conceding your points in a reply to your post.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-802339-post-139...id13905751

So when Rivers came in during the first half and the team went on a run...How do you explain that, he didn't grab any rebounds and I think he only scored 2 points. Again many things don't show up in the statsheet.

Perimeter defense lost this game...We couldn't stay in front of anyone last night...Becoming a theme for the year.

I agree for the most part (and have already conceded that D and FTs also played a part), just saying Chad probably should've seen the floor some in the final 14 minutes...dude is 6-11, wasn't in foul trouble, had double figure points and 4 blocks.

You seem to think it's on the players and not at all on the coach.

I think Tubby can stand a little heat. He just lost a home game to Monmouth that he led by 12.

I give the coach a break when there appears to be holes in the roster when he got here...Same as Pasnter got...

Tubby is not untouchable but I don't have a problem with him not putting Chad back in hes done it before with good results. This time...Not so much. But also as you pointed out the 10 point lead had already started to leak before Rivers got in the game.

(12-14-2016 01:27 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I remember the Porter apologists rode Fuente's ass for the 1st half of his first season at Memphis ... and then they shut up.

I think TG hung in there all the way into season 2.

(12-14-2016 06:39 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  Tubby just didn't seem concerned about adding to the roster

I respect your take on it, so I have to ask...Is that actually true? We heard that from some who have ulterior motives. And there was not much in the news during the late period. But by the time the season rolled around, we had added 4 legit players through the summer. They just weren't all made public when it was happening. If we knew he was getting a late start, but adding 4 players late, doesn't that go against the perception that he wasn't concerned?

(12-14-2016 09:55 AM)fsquid Wrote:  If you lauded Tubbs for his coaching on Sat., you should criticize for it last night.

There's some truth here. It was sort of the reverse of Saturday. Then, we felt like we were going to pull away. Now, we felt like they were going to comeback. I lauded more of the players on Saturday. Last night, there was some execution that were killers.

(12-14-2016 08:36 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  I am just wondering when we are going to start winning games because of coaching rather than losing them. We should have never lost this game. Monmouth was no juggernaut.

No juggernaut. But ahead of us in both the RPI and Sagarin. Odds makers had us by 3.5. That's basically the home differential. So it was a pick em by most accounts.

I expect there's a worse loss coming this year. I also expect there's a couple of better wins coming also.

(12-14-2016 02:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 06:39 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  Tubby just didn't seem concerned about adding to the roster

I respect your take on it, so I have to ask...Is that actually true? We heard that from some who have ulterior motives. And there was not much in the news during the late period. But by the time the season rolled around, we had added 4 legit players through the summer. They just weren't all made public when it was happening. If we knew he was getting a late start, but adding 4 players late, doesn't that go against the perception that he wasn't concerned?

He added Rykhoek only as a reaction to losing Marshall.

Which is odd anyway - he should've wanted to have a guy like Rykhoek AND have Marshall.

They declined on a few guys as well for various reasons.

Azab could still be eligible soon.

Possibly, they weren't as cognizant of the recruiting grounds of the mid south and the landscape of available recruits left on the board and are getting up to speed on things. At least one member of this staff needs to be a no stone unturned kind of recruiter - grads, JCs, DI transfers, etc. Time will tell.

Hopefully, guys like Jemerrio Jones and David Burrell don't slip through the cracks on the future. Both could've helped this team.

(12-14-2016 08:09 AM)fsquid Wrote:  certainly has to be the worst loss of the Tubby era.

According to Sagarin, Old Miss is #93. Monmouth is #87. Since Monmouth was home, then it's the worst loss.

We're actually #90 - right in between the two.