Quote:Okay homer, Boise had a tract record of success. They won major bowl games, won their conference (as weak as it was) basically every year, won 10 games and was ranked almost every season for years. This is Western Michigan's first really good team in 15 years. And that's just me, a college football fan speaking, no one else outside the Rust Belt/Frost Belt remembers a really good Western Michigan team.

My point is -- a "fluke" is something where it's LUCK at where the team is, generally speaking that year. Like Kent State. When you're consistently getting the upper echelon of G5 recruits, and you're not playing a Power P5 -- and your 2 star recruits are finishing off as seniors -- it's not some "fluke" to win your conference.

It's not a fluke when you actually Built that team to that point, is my point. I'm not comparing to Boise or any other team. I'm pointing out what's Just LUCKY (=fluke) and what's legitimately built over time (=not fluke).

If WMU consistently is like Toledo, an 8W-10W every year thru a run (and possibly 11W if making Conf Champ game) -- no, it's not a fluke when not having to play @USC, @Ohio State, etc -- that they go 13-0 on a Peak Year.

Peak Year <> Fluke.

Western Michigan isn't the only place pulling in good recruits. There's nothing of recent vintage to suggest they'd do this, maybe playing Ohio State relatively close qualifies from last season but they also had some bad losses to go along with that.

Get over yourself homer, come back next season after you've been ranked most of the year or finishing ranked and we can talk.

Quote:Western Michigan isn't the only place pulling in good recruits.

I never implied they were. I was saying their SUCCESS due to it for years straight -- isn't a Fluke (=riding on luck).

He's in a good position, no need to rush things. That does not mean he is or isn't ready.

(12-12-2016 11:32 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  He's in a good position, no need to rush things. That does not mean he is or isn't ready.

The guy almost lost to Ohio with their backup QB. He probably should have cashed out.

He's not going to jump from a WMU to a ND. Those jobs don't typically go to MAC coaches.

Good luck to him though

Fleck big question is does he have his next QB

If he does he will keep building

If not they will regress

$800k in Kzoo is a lot of dough. Easily could have that house on Lake Michigan and the beautiful sunsets to go with it. Other places do not have that resource.

Now if he can dial back on the constant shilling for jobs on Rome and the ESPN car wash he will gain ALOT of credibility

Saban is a poor example of a P5 coach. Dude left after a year to the Browns. Pinkel is a better example. Stayed till his kids finished high school then hung his resume out there and was successful

(12-11-2016 06:05 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Okay homer, Boise had a tract record of success. They won major bowl games, won their conference (as weak as it was) basically every year, won 10 games and was ranked almost every season for years. This is Western Michigan's first really good team in 15 years. And that's just me, a college football fan speaking, no one else outside the Rust Belt/Frost Belt remembers a really good Western Michigan team.

They have to win consistently to prove this wasn't anything more than a one year wonder. Next year could be a start of that:

1. Beat USC
2. Beat Michigan State
3. Win your MAC division
4. Win the MAC outright
5 Win 10 games
6. Finished ranked
7. Go to a major bowl
8. Win your bowl game

Do at least 5-6 of those and you'll get all the respect you want. Until then, you're just a random directional MAC team that had a great year. Those teams come and go. The last MAC team to consistently turn heads nationally was Marshall.

And all of this comes from another AAC Fanboy taking swipes at the MAC like they always do

BTY, Marshall had to cheat to do it

I'm not really taking a shot at the MAC. He's insisting this isn't a fluke. But we've seen MAC teams come and go over the years. WMU is gonna have to prove it more than just one year.

Quote:I'm not really taking a shot at the MAC. He's insisting this isn't a fluke. But we've seen MAC teams come and go over the years. WMU is gonna have to prove it more than just one year.

A fluke is basically riding on luck & unpredictability. Miami-OH (Roth) & NIU the two years under Jordan Lynch -- being in the Top 1-3 G5s isn't a fluke when there's predictability to them being a Top 1-3 G5 in said year. Kent State going 11-1, was a 'fluke'.

Yes, MAC teams come and go, due to their coaches... and with little $$ they have in investment, once the good coach goes, usually so does a massive chunk of continual success, or at least after the next one given a couple years (having to reboot again).

Saying that WMU isn't an established Top G5 Power, and that they have to Continually be in the Top Realm to say so -- I agree. But my point is, that doesn't mean a Great Year is a Fluke, when one could see it building up to it.

Like I said, come back and speak to me in 400 days. We'll see where WMU is at.

(12-12-2016 11:46 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:32 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  He's in a good position, no need to rush things. That does not mean he is or isn't ready.

The guy almost lost to Ohio with their backup QB. He probably should have cashed out.

He's not going to jump from a WMU to a ND. Those jobs don't typically go to MAC coaches.

Good luck to him though

The outcome of one game isn't a reflection of his coaching ability. Maybe he should have cashed out. Herman didn't have as good of a season as expected this year and he still landed the Texas job. Fleck could easily wind up at Michigan State next year.

I think Dantonio's one of the 25 safest coaches in the country.

Fleck IS taking a risk by staying. His senior QB is graduating as is their top WR, one of the best in the country. They will almost certainly take a step back. They will need to find another good QB.