Yep.

(12-13-2016 03:52 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 03:15 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  Pretty laughable to question if a player is a bust after only two starts, especially considering their lack of running game or offensive line. I have watched Lynch and he has a lot of learning to do but two games in is way too early to begin calling him a bust...

I guess most people expected that he would be starting by now. Getting beat out by a guy that only started 14 games in college and almost wasn't even drafted doesn't help either. He has looked pretty awful when he has been in there but Denver has a small playbook when he's in there.

lol. The net allows people to make fools of themselves to the world. Congratulations.

(12-13-2016 07:13 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  To be a good QB in the NFL, you have to be smart, at least in terms of football. The knock on Paxton isn't about his physical tools as it is his ability to learn the playbook, read defenses, advance through his progressions, etc. Based on what I'm hearing in the media from his coaches, it sounds like they are losing hope in him.

I don't beleive that for a second.

(12-14-2016 12:21 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 07:13 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  To be a good QB in the NFL, you have to be smart, at least in terms of football. The knock on Paxton isn't about his physical tools as it is his ability to learn the playbook, read defenses, advance through his progressions, etc. Based on what I'm hearing in the media from his coaches, it sounds like they are losing hope in him.

I don't beleive that for a second.

FWIW. I follow all the Denver FB writers and columnists on twitter and read their stories. Woody Paige is one of them, with Troy Renck, etc.; they all say Elway is the one who made the trade and pick for Lynch and still believes he is the QB of the future. Most knew at Memphis that Pax is a little slow in complex schemes and Elway knows this and is not concerned.

(12-13-2016 10:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 06:08 PM)memphisike Wrote:  The girls best O lineman is a Dude named Rony Leary, that Dude can bust open a hole

you're a moron as usual. I appreciate Leary as a former Tiger...but Fredericks andMartin are better than Leary/

Leary is the worst member of the best-by far-O lines in NFL. I'm a Bears fan so I have no horse in this race.

(12-14-2016 12:46 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 10:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 06:08 PM)memphisike Wrote:  The girls best O lineman is a Dude named Rony Leary, that Dude can bust open a hole

you're a moron as usual. I appreciate Leary as a former Tiger...but Fredericks andMartin are better than Leary/

Leary is the worst member of the best-by far-O lines in NFL. I'm a Bears fan so I have no horse in this race.

That title goes to Doug Free and it ain't close.

On the bright side for Broncos fans - Riley Ferguson will be available after next year.

(12-13-2016 07:13 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  To be a good QB in the NFL, you have to be smart, at least in terms of football. The knock on Paxton isn't about his physical tools as it is his ability to learn the playbook, read defenses, advance through his progressions, etc. Based on what I'm hearing in the media from his coaches, it sounds like they are losing hope in him.

Link? And I'm serious. I've read my fair share of Broncos pieces, and haven't seen any indication coaches are losing hope. None. I have heard fans saying stuff. But they are fans. In the NFL, unless you're Brady, there's always a QB controversy with fans and media.

(12-14-2016 01:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 07:13 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  To be a good QB in the NFL, you have to be smart, at least in terms of football. The knock on Paxton isn't about his physical tools as it is his ability to learn the playbook, read defenses, advance through his progressions, etc. Based on what I'm hearing in the media from his coaches, it sounds like they are losing hope in him.

Link? And I'm serious. I've read my fair share of Broncos pieces, and haven't seen any indication coaches are losing hope. None. I have heard fans saying stuff. But they are fans. In the NFL, unless you're Brady, there's always a QB controversy with fans and media.

^ +2, good post.

Just FYI most NFL QBs don't work out in the end.

Misfit, I wish u wouldn't resort to name calling, I'm a Memphis fan and in my opinion Ronny is the best. I wish he were on the Redskins O line as a Redskins fan. Regarding Paxton I said he needs more skull sessions, to break that down for u, it means the Dude is having some trouble reading defenses, kinda like heath from utk ,in closing I hope u r able to have a nice evening because in my opinion u r a MORON AND A SUPER A HOLE. BTW a tough combo to beat

(12-13-2016 10:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 06:08 PM)memphisike Wrote:  The girls best O lineman is a Dude named Rony Leary, that Dude can bust open a hole

you're a moron as usual. I appreciate Leary as a former Tiger...but Fredericks andMartin are better than Leary/

Fredrick, Smith and Martin are all better than Leary.

(12-14-2016 07:26 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Misfit, I wish u wouldn't resort to name calling, I'm a Memphis fan and in my opinion Ronny is the best.

You and his mother would be the only two in the world with that opinion.

Leary isn't even the regular starter at his position, La'el Collins is. The only reason Leary is in there is due to Collins injury.

Leary is good, but he is surrounded by some of the best O linemen in the game.

(12-14-2016 06:22 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  Just FYI most NFL QBs don't work out in the end.

Good point. For every Tom Brady, there are dozens of Mark Sanchez types.

(12-14-2016 01:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 07:13 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  To be a good QB in the NFL, you have to be smart, at least in terms of football. The knock on Paxton isn't about his physical tools as it is his ability to learn the playbook, read defenses, advance through his progressions, etc. Based on what I'm hearing in the media from his coaches, it sounds like they are losing hope in him.

Link? And I'm serious. I've read my fair share of Broncos pieces, and haven't seen any indication coaches are losing hope. None. I have heard fans saying stuff. But they are fans. In the NFL, unless you're Brady, there's always a QB controversy with fans and media.

It's just my interpretation FWIW. I've heard Kubiak multiple times say that they have to limit the playbook for Paxton and that he needs to pick it up. Of course, that's the case for many young QBs. But it's the guys like Luck and Brady who are the stars, not just because of their physical ability, but their intellect on a football field. I know it's not fair to compare a rookie QB to those guys, but I don't think Paxton has the mental ability to ever reach that type of level. Time will tell. He has a chance to be good.

(12-14-2016 08:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 07:13 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  To be a good QB in the NFL, you have to be smart, at least in terms of football. The knock on Paxton isn't about his physical tools as it is his ability to learn the playbook, read defenses, advance through his progressions, etc. Based on what I'm hearing in the media from his coaches, it sounds like they are losing hope in him.

Link? And I'm serious. I've read my fair share of Broncos pieces, and haven't seen any indication coaches are losing hope. None. I have heard fans saying stuff. But they are fans. In the NFL, unless you're Brady, there's always a QB controversy with fans and media.

It's just my interpretation FWIW. I've heard Kubiak multiple times say that they have to limit the playbook for Paxton and that he needs to pick it up. Of course, that's the case for many young QBs. But it's the guys like Luck and Brady who are the stars, not just because of their physical ability, but their intellect on a football field. I know it's not fair to compare a rookie QB to those guys, but I don't think Paxton has the mental ability to ever reach that type of level. Time will tell. He has a chance to be good.

They were seriously limiting Tom Brady's playbook when he first got in the game too. Matter of fact, Brady was the dink and dunk king his first couple of years as a starter. Very little complexity, reading of defenses or downfield passing at all.

The reality is most rookie QB's are working on an incredibly simplified playbook their first year or two. Most really struggle with the complexities of the NFL in their first few seasons.

Paxton did not run a pro style offense in college, and very few scouts saw him as a first year starter. So the fact that he has not been is no surprise at all. It was expected by most all along.

(12-14-2016 09:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 07:13 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  To be a good QB in the NFL, you have to be smart, at least in terms of football. The knock on Paxton isn't about his physical tools as it is his ability to learn the playbook, read defenses, advance through his progressions, etc. Based on what I'm hearing in the media from his coaches, it sounds like they are losing hope in him.

Link? And I'm serious. I've read my fair share of Broncos pieces, and haven't seen any indication coaches are losing hope. None. I have heard fans saying stuff. But they are fans. In the NFL, unless you're Brady, there's always a QB controversy with fans and media.

It's just my interpretation FWIW. I've heard Kubiak multiple times say that they have to limit the playbook for Paxton and that he needs to pick it up. Of course, that's the case for many young QBs. But it's the guys like Luck and Brady who are the stars, not just because of their physical ability, but their intellect on a football field. I know it's not fair to compare a rookie QB to those guys, but I don't think Paxton has the mental ability to ever reach that type of level. Time will tell. He has a chance to be good.

They were seriously limiting Tom Brady's playbook when he first got in the game too. Matter of fact, Brady was the dink and dunk king his first couple of years as a starter. Very little complexity, reading of defenses or downfield passing at all.

The reality is most rookie QB's are working on an incredibly simplified playbook their first year or two. Most really struggle with the complexities of the NFL in their first few seasons.

Paxton did not run a pro style offense in college, and very few scouts saw him as a first year starter. So the fact that he has not been is no surprise at all. It was expected by most all along.

Everything you said is true...

But the fact of the matter is his understanding is where he is lacking it will be whether he improves greatly in that area that will determine if he becomes a good QB.

(12-14-2016 08:02 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 06:22 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  Just FYI most NFL QBs don't work out in the end.

Good point. For every Tom Brady, there are dozens of Mark Sanchez types.

Yeah and it's just such a hard position to maintain. I remember hearing someone talking about how most people aren't big fans of Andy Dalton yet if given the chance he would be starting for like 10 or more teams. And most fans wouldn't be excited about getting Dalton but he's way better then many of the alternatives and he's really just okay.

(12-15-2016 12:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 07:13 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  To be a good QB in the NFL, you have to be smart, at least in terms of football. The knock on Paxton isn't about his physical tools as it is his ability to learn the playbook, read defenses, advance through his progressions, etc. Based on what I'm hearing in the media from his coaches, it sounds like they are losing hope in him.

Link? And I'm serious. I've read my fair share of Broncos pieces, and haven't seen any indication coaches are losing hope. None. I have heard fans saying stuff. But they are fans. In the NFL, unless you're Brady, there's always a QB controversy with fans and media.

It's just my interpretation FWIW. I've heard Kubiak multiple times say that they have to limit the playbook for Paxton and that he needs to pick it up. Of course, that's the case for many young QBs. But it's the guys like Luck and Brady who are the stars, not just because of their physical ability, but their intellect on a football field. I know it's not fair to compare a rookie QB to those guys, but I don't think Paxton has the mental ability to ever reach that type of level. Time will tell. He has a chance to be good.

They were seriously limiting Tom Brady's playbook when he first got in the game too. Matter of fact, Brady was the dink and dunk king his first couple of years as a starter. Very little complexity, reading of defenses or downfield passing at all.

The reality is most rookie QB's are working on an incredibly simplified playbook their first year or two. Most really struggle with the complexities of the NFL in their first few seasons.

Paxton did not run a pro style offense in college, and very few scouts saw him as a first year starter. So the fact that he has not been is no surprise at all. It was expected by most all along.

Everything you said is true...

But the fact of the matter is his understanding is where he is lacking it will be whether he improves greatly in that area that will determine if he becomes a good QB.

Just as it does for ever QB who enters the NFL.

This is how the process works.

(12-15-2016 06:41 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 12:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:07 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:59 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Link? And I'm serious. I've read my fair share of Broncos pieces, and haven't seen any indication coaches are losing hope. None. I have heard fans saying stuff. But they are fans. In the NFL, unless you're Brady, there's always a QB controversy with fans and media.

It's just my interpretation FWIW. I've heard Kubiak multiple times say that they have to limit the playbook for Paxton and that he needs to pick it up. Of course, that's the case for many young QBs. But it's the guys like Luck and Brady who are the stars, not just because of their physical ability, but their intellect on a football field. I know it's not fair to compare a rookie QB to those guys, but I don't think Paxton has the mental ability to ever reach that type of level. Time will tell. He has a chance to be good.

They were seriously limiting Tom Brady's playbook when he first got in the game too. Matter of fact, Brady was the dink and dunk king his first couple of years as a starter. Very little complexity, reading of defenses or downfield passing at all.

The reality is most rookie QB's are working on an incredibly simplified playbook their first year or two. Most really struggle with the complexities of the NFL in their first few seasons.

Paxton did not run a pro style offense in college, and very few scouts saw him as a first year starter. So the fact that he has not been is no surprise at all. It was expected by most all along.

Everything you said is true...

But the fact of the matter is his understanding is where he is lacking it will be whether he improves greatly in that area that will determine if he becomes a good QB.

Just as it does for ever QB who enters the NFL.

This is how the process works.

Many don't have the elite physical tools that Lynch possesses. Plenty of guys have the mental capacity and can't make the throws others can make the throws but can't make the decisions.