Participation ribbons for all.

Quote:South Carolina educators oppose the possibility of rating schools A through F on public report cards, saying the letter grades would label students and discourage economic development in communities that need it the most.

District superintendents and state Department of Education officials were among those expressing opposition at a subcommittee meeting on Monday.

The letter ratings are under consideration as the state’s Education Oversight Committee attempts to craft a new, single education accountability system that’s simple to understand and more informative. It will replace the dual — and often contradictory — state and federal rating systems that have confused parents for years.

In its drafted proposal, the agency responsible for student testing notes 17 states have an A through F grading system. Its board is expected to vote next month.

http://wach.com/news/education/educators...h-f-grades

participation counts. Just imagine if your place of business told you that you showed up for work every day this week but the company didn't make money so they are going to withhold your check? You wouldn't be pissed?

(12-13-2016 12:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  participation counts. Just imagine if your place of business told you that you showed up for work every day this week but the company didn't make money so they are going to withhold your check? You wouldn't be pissed?

Good grief.

Well I'm just thankful and proud that SCD Jr. ( 5th grade) has 100% average in each of his classes.

Call it what ever you want,.. but I'd think that the boy is "participating" at a very high level!

That's before the school district changed its grading scale to a 10 point scale this year.

These kids today wouldn't survive under the the grading scale I had in school in Jr. High & High school.

95-100: A
94-88 : B
81-87 : C
74-80 : D

(12-13-2016 01:19 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Well I'm just thankful and proud that SCD Jr. ( 5th grade) has 100% average in each of his classes.

Call it what ever you want,.. but I'd think that the boy is "participating" at a very high level!

That's before the school district changed its grading scale to a 10 point scale this year.

These kids today wouldn't survive under the the grading scale I had in school in Jr. High & High school.

95-100: A
94-88 : B
81-87 : C
74-80 : D

Same as my high school but add a point...96-100 was an A.

(12-13-2016 01:19 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Well I'm just thankful and proud that SCD Jr. ( 5th grade) has 100% average in each of his classes.

Call it what ever you want,.. but I'd think that the boy is "participating" at a very high level!

That's before the school district changed its grading scale to a 10 point scale this year.

These kids today wouldn't survive under the the grading scale I had in school in Jr. High & High school.

95-100: A
94-88 : B
81-87 : C
74-80 : D

I'm calling B.S. on this one. I have worked in a school and I can tell you from first hand experience that kids today are learning 5 to 10 times what most of us were required to learn 20 or 30 years ago.

Here in Texas, Algebra I is being taught at the middle school level. When I was in high school, students could graduate with Alegbra I as their highest math course.

That is just one example.

Fit:

You can root, hog or wallow,.. that's the grading scale in the county that I grew up in in the Commonwealth of Virginia. I attended alll public schools as well. My high school was ranked in the top 75 schools in the nation during that time period too.

Same high school as Tiki and Rhonde Barber, several Miitary Academy , USAFA and USMA Appointed and dare say Harvard attendees.

Sorry that Texas is so far behind academically and athletically. But the James Madison vs Sam Houston State Game outed the both of those.

People not from SC don't understand how powerful the education bureaucrats are in the Upstate. Spartanburg County has 7 school districts. SEVEN. That's seven sets of superintendents. Seven sets of district offices. Seven sets of motorpools. Etc etc etc. The Spartanburg County delegation to the assembly, almost all Republican (everybody but Glenn Reese in downtown Spartanburg?), single handedly killed a school choice bill that the CATO Institute called the gold standard for school choice nationwide. And without those GOP turncoats we would have passed it. Mike Forrester, also in the Spartanburg County delegation, works for Spartanburg Community College. And I believe he's even gotten away with ethics violations for sponsoring bills which direct taxpayer dollars to his employer.

(12-13-2016 12:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  participation counts. Just imagine if your place of business told you that you showed up for work every day this week but the company didn't make money so they are going to withhold your check? You wouldn't be pissed?

holy ******* ****... dont ever go full ******* potato.

(12-13-2016 02:20 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  People not from SC don't understand how powerful the education bureaucrats are in the Upstate. Spartanburg County has 7 school districts. SEVEN. That's seven sets of superintendents. Seven sets of district offices. Seven sets of motorpools. Etc etc etc. The Spartanburg County delegation to the assembly, almost all Republican (everybody but Glenn Reese in downtown Spartanburg?), single handedly killed a school choice bill that the CATO Institute called the gold standard for school choice nationwide. And without those GOP turncoats we would have passed it. Mike Forrester, also in the Spartanburg County delegation, works for Spartanburg Community College. And I believe he's even gotten away with ethics violations for sponsoring bills which direct taxpayer dollars to his employer.

It's not just the Upstate, it's everywhere and it's a legacy to the pre-home rule days when the Legislature ran every level of government. The multiple districts allowed legislators to have more direct control of the school districts. I imagine that if you could find the old maps that school district boundaries and state Senate district boundaries back in the day would match perfectly.

(12-13-2016 12:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  participation counts. Just imagine if your place of business told you that you showed up for work every day this week but the company didn't make money so they are going to withhold your check? You wouldn't be pissed?

What?

(12-13-2016 03:43 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 12:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  participation counts. Just imagine if your place of business told you that you showed up for work every day this week but the company didn't make money so they are going to withhold your check? You wouldn't be pissed?

What?

I was referring to the picture of a ribbon that said "you tried". There is a very good reason for that. Just because you didn't win doesn't mean you didn't do anything of value. I was trying to explain that with an example.

(12-13-2016 03:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 03:43 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 12:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  participation counts. Just imagine if your place of business told you that you showed up for work every day this week but the company didn't make money so they are going to withhold your check? You wouldn't be pissed?

What?

I was referring to the picture of a ribbon that said "you tried". There is a very good reason for that. Just because you didn't win doesn't mean you didn't do anything of value. I was trying to explain that with an example.

and you failed...

I feel like some of you didn't read the article.

This isn't about not grading kids with an A - F system. It's about grading schools / school districts themselves.

Teachers DO NOT want to be graded A-F. Most merely want a "P" Ribbon!

Yes, this is the equivalent of a heart doctor who has a patient with weight troubles. The Dr. Prescribes what should happen. Follow these guidelines to lose weight. If you do what I tell you you will be fine and you won't have a heart attack. The patient doesn't follow the guidelines and has a heart attack and you want to punish the Dr? Let's give the Dr or the hospital an F because the patient didn't follow through?

(12-13-2016 12:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  participation counts. Just imagine if your place of business told you that you showed up for work every day this week but the company didn't make money so they are going to withhold your check? You wouldn't be pissed?

They wouldn't do that. They'd pay you and then fire you. You'd be pissed, but also unemployed.

If you want to propose that schools can fire failing students, you might have an equivalency.

(12-13-2016 06:16 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Yes, this is the equivalent of a heart doctor who has a patient with weight troubles. The Dr. Prescribes what should happen. Follow these guidelines to lose weight. If you do what I tell you you will be fine and you won't have a heart attack. The patient doesn't follow the guidelines and has a heart attack and you want to punish the Dr? Let's give the Dr or the hospital an F because the patient didn't follow through?

You DO realize that this is precisely what happens under the ACA, right?

Patient goes to hospital for COPD exacerbation because they're a smoker. They're told to stop... they don't... 29 days later they readmit for the same issue. Hospital/doctor gets nicked for the readmission.

Nicked? Is that an F? Too me a nicked would be a B or C. Now tell me do you think that's fair that the hospital gets nicked? Why would you think it's ok for a teacher or school to get an F?

It's not. Of course they gave a BS reason instead of just telling the truth, which is some kids are just stupid, their parents are meth heads, and we shouldn't be held responsible if our district has a disproportionate number of those.

(12-13-2016 06:58 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Nicked? Is that an F? Too me a nicked would be a B or C. Now tell me do you think that's fair that the hospital gets nicked? Why would you think it's ok for a teacher or school to get an F?

Nicked means that their Medicare rates get cut 2% for a year. It really adds up.