RE: Official Game Thread: Mississippi State (W 67-65)
ballerbucs, I'm not going to be mean here, but I'm going to lay out some facts for you. You're not really wrong in what you assert about the name calling. One other person did use the "joke" reference (and he's said he is a kid, and I'm not sure whether he was jiving or not). *YOU* then proceeded to "go there" numerous times against several posters on this board. I hate to quote my father, but he often said "Just because somebody else does something, does that make it right?"
Now....on to more factuality.....
If you didn't watch 100+ live games during the bartow era (name not capitalized out of lack of respect, as is my custom hereon for him, stanton, and mullins), then you simply don't know what you're talking about. And again, that's not being mean or critical - it's just a factual statement. You don't possess the perspicacity (look it up), discernment, and perspective necessary to understand his many failings. That first trip to the dance in his first year here wasn't his doing, and every person who has any decent basketball knowledge knows that. He was left with a full house, and in his smartest move in his entire tenure, he basically let the team play themselves, as they had been doing under DeChellis. The main thing he did right that year was stay out of the way and not try to change the powerhouse already intact. shampoo has nailed the other two trips as at least largely a result of being in a weaker conference. (We don't know that with certainty, of course, but most feel that way.) And even then, probably our best team in that time period didn't make it because of very poor coaching and a debatable technical foul call (which I agreed with, but most hereon did not). Further, because of our low strength-of-schedule due to the conference, we got nearly suicidal (#16) seeds in both those years. (Although indeed we played Pitt very close in 2009.) Further still....even in those years his miscues were maddening, and we won the conference, literally, despite him being on the bench.
We used to think he was a pretty good recruiter, and he absolutely did bring in some quality players. Towards the end, however, he had far more misses than hits, especially in terms of the jucos he landed. Obviously (I hope), he wasn't as good at that as Forbes has been, but overall we could have done much worse.
All that said, in other regards he was incredibly flawed. I won't go into the litany of those flaws, as they are too numerous to mention. If you're really curious and inquisitive, said flaws are noted with great detail in the history of this board. You might start with the two "Official Fire Murry Bartow" threads, and scroll thru those.
You're young, and you're an outsider until very recently, so you don't know these things. You couldn't, and that's not your fault. But you shouldn't act like you have more knowledge than those on this board, because you simply do not. Not remotely. And the hostility you've encountered is from both your personal attacks, and pretending that you *do* know what you're talking about. Hopefully, with time, maturity will come your way.
Please take my comments as advice, and not as an attack.
All *that* said.......to me, although there is apparently some disagreement on this topic, intercollegiate athletics is "news". To me, anything in Johnson City, TN that thousands of people attend is news. It's important enough to talk about and comment on. (And that extends to sportscasting, but that's a tangent for another day and thread.) I personally think it's ok to say something like "Tim Smith should NOT keep driving 1-on-3 and continue losing the ball or get his shot blocked." It's not a personal attack on that player; it's a comment on his decision-making in the middle of athletic competition. Doesn't mean he kicks dogs, or cheats on tests, or steals from old ladies. ETSUfan1's assertion that "things like this are going to happen" is correct. In the heat of the moment, those things will slip out. I think I am accurate in believing that the comment(s) about HMP were of that ilk, and that poster doesn't feel that player is a "joke" in general - altho I can't positively speak for that person.
What you've done in attacking individuals on this board (calling me "fool" for example - but not a big deal 'cause I do have a thick skin and recognized your lack of knowledge about me and the facts) is different from that. You were trying to belittle them/us in the *attempt* at giving your arguments and statements more weight and veracity. You were not successful, as we can all observe. Now, hopefully, you'll know better, and be a serious contributor.
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Official Game Thread: Mississippi State (W 67-65)
